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Posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006 Hi all,Looking to collect any and all information on the story behind the flag decals that adorn all of the NYCTA passenger subway cars... Was it a worker/line-manager inspired initiative (shortly after the 911 massacre) to modify the trains accordingly? Or, did the idea come down from on high from the senior management of MTA's ivory towers? Some other question I have are... How much did this modification cost? How long it take after 911 to role this mod out to the entire passenger car fleet? Which firm won the contract to supply the flag decals? ~~~ Here are my measurements of a flag decal taken from an R44-series car on the IND 8th Avenue Line: 21-3/4" wide X 11-1/2" high. The blue field of the flag is 8" wide X 6" high. The flag decal is situated 2" below the car's 4-digit serial number placard. The car's serial number placard is 21-3/4" wide X 8" high. The total height from the top of the serial number placard to the bottom of the flag decal is 22-1/2". The flag decals on the R38-series cars on the IND 8th Avenue Line are smaller. Since most of the cars of the IRT West Side Line (the 1 train) have a 4" high rectangular solid-red decal directly below the car's serial number placard, the flag decal is placed 2" below the solid-red decal. ~~~ I've notice that the white portion (stars and stripes) of the flag decals on the R44-series cars of the IND 8th Avenue Line, which I have seen, have become light yellow due to the elements/weather. Are weathered flag decals actively replaced with new ones? ~~~ Side topic: Which firm won the contract to supply the "NYC Olympics in 2012" decals for the passenger cars? Thanks! Tom |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 12:33:42 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006. I don't know the answers to any of your questions, but for a newbiet, you're really getting down to business fast! Good luck! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 12:36:35 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006.   Was it a worker/line-manager inspired initiative (shortly after the 911 massacre) to modify the trains accordingly? NOPE. The Flag decals have been in use since the 1980s |
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Posted by Mark W. on Sun Aug 6 12:46:45 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 12:36:35 2006. That is false. Flags began to appear on NYCT cars AFTER 9/11. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 12:50:15 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 12:36:35 2006. The Flag decals have been in use since the 1980sI only remember the Flag decals being used on the MTA equiptment after 9/11. Not before then? I need a little more enlightenment if possible. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 12:52:02 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Mark W. on Sun Aug 6 12:46:45 2006. The Flag decals have been on all LIRR cars since the 1980's |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 12:52:52 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006. "Here are my measurements of a flag decal taken from an R44-series car on the IND 8th Avenue Line:"Are you saying that the measurements were taken from a flag on a car or you took the flag from the car and then measured it? |
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Posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 13:01:58 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 12:52:52 2006. "Here are my measurements of a flag decal taken from an R44-series car on the IND 8th Avenue Line:"Are you saying that the measurements were taken from a flag on a car or you took the flag from the car and then measured it? ~~~ Thanks for the clarifying question. The measurements were taken from a flag decal that was stuck on a car - not from flag decal that was first removed from a car. I walked up to a given R44-series car with a tape measure. I only took one or two measurements at a time and then hopped into the car. I went up to three or four different R44-series cars with my tape measure in order to get all of the measurements that I've listed. Tom |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 13:03:58 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 12:52:02 2006. But he wasn't asking about LIRR. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 13:04:37 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 12:52:52 2006. come on...jeez |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:05:46 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 12:50:15 2006. It wasn't on the subway, but he's right, the LIRR had it all along.Se next to read number on this train in Patchogue taken around 1990 or so:  Or this train in Auburndale in 1998:  Or Patchogue in 1994:  |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 13:06:22 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 13:03:58 2006. At last I remember before the double deckers were put into service. Those cars had painted or etched flags. Not decals. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:06:53 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 13:06:22 2006. The ones on the diesels were decals. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 13:07:50 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:05:46 2006. I thought those were painted on? |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Aug 6 13:08:54 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:06:53 2006. Ahh! Ok |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Aug 6 13:10:38 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:05:46 2006. They were removed on almost all MUs, and only lasted on the old deisel cars. 9609-10 or 9611-12 still have the old decals(when i first noticed the cars, i didnt realize that the LIRR didnt use NYCT style pair numbers. maybe its both pairs.) |
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Posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 13:12:41 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:05:46 2006. GP38/R42_Chris wrote: "It wasn't on the [NYCT] subway [prior to 9/11], but he's right, the LIRR had it all along [see pre 9/2001 photos attached of the LIRR engines]." Thanks for the photos Chris. I am a big fan/foamer of the "line of the dashing cummuter." Would you have info on the "flag decal" story of the NYCT subway passenger cars? See: http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=293681 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 13:18:09 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 13:04:37 2006. Whineberg, please sit down in your cage until I bang on the bars. Your input was not requested or required. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 6 13:20:11 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 13:18:09 2006. Oh man thats just cold.... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 13:42:40 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 6 13:20:11 2006. But very funny, HAHA! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:42:45 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by R30A on Sun Aug 6 13:10:38 2006. Yeah, the diesel coaches had them. I think they said "We serve with pride" or something to that effect near the flags. |
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Re: flag decals (on LIRR trains) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:43:12 2006, in response to Re: flag decals (on LIRR trains), posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 13:12:41 2006. Unfortunately, I don't know the whole story of the NYCT decals.... |
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Posted by xtimx on Sun Aug 6 13:53:35 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006. WE SHOWED THOSE TERRORISTS!!!MINATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR ALL!!! NOW WE WON'T FORGET WHERE WE LIVE!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 14:23:58 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 13:18:09 2006. PWN3D BY T.D. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 14:44:23 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 14:23:58 2006. Sucking Train Dude's dick again? I thought that ended? |
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Posted by zdeno on Sun Aug 6 15:22:46 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 14:44:23 2006. Brian has been losing friends and allies on this board at a quick rate.BIE defended him several weeks ago when someone insulted his wife, now he is ragged on by Brian. Maybe Dr. Ron in Bayside needs to check him out. |
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Re: flag decals (on LIRR trains) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 6 15:33:22 2006, in response to Re: flag decals (on LIRR trains), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:43:12 2006. The ONE person you might want to ask is Train Dude...He would know more about it than anyone here... |
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Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 15:38:12 2006, in response to (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by zdeno on Sun Aug 6 15:22:46 2006. Yea, it's going down hill from here. |
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Posted by zdeno on Sun Aug 6 15:51:57 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 15:38:12 2006. Unfortunately it has been going downhill for weeks, Mike.You haven't been on these boards long enough to understand the full story. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 15:58:04 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by zdeno on Sun Aug 6 15:51:57 2006. Damn, I men he has his times. But always has an attitude. And him to get into a fight with Train Dude? That's not good. |
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Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 6 16:19:49 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 15:58:04 2006. Well..it happens..Brian doesn't have a tude.. Its how he WORKS... The key is knowing WHEN he joking..and WHEN he being FUNKY. More often than most..he IS joking..and people spaz out because they don't "GET IT"... Don't sweat it...You'll see he likes to "hit the tree to see what shakes loose".. Hes really cool people..after all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 16:24:24 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 6 13:42:45 2006. That's correct. Even the K-Line models of the LIRR Eisenhower Coaches have the flag decals. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 16:30:13 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 14:44:23 2006. Brian quit while you are still ahead. You are in my semi-annoying catagory and not with the top six - yet. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Aug 6 16:39:47 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006. The R32s use a smaller decal due to the corrugations. Most R33/36 MLs and R36 WFs recieved them as well. 9584-5 is an exception. Since most of the R26/28/29s and some R33/36 MLs were scrapped prior to 9/11/01, they did not recieved the flags. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Sun Aug 6 17:01:41 2006, in response to flag decals, posted by WaHiIND on Sun Aug 6 12:30:46 2006. Speaking of decals, I forget the car number, but I saw a 2012 decal on I believe an (A) last week. |
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Posted by xtimx on Sun Aug 6 17:05:46 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sun Aug 6 17:01:41 2006. i liked those logos. it was dumb that they were put on all the trains and i am glad we didn't win the bid but the logo was cool. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 18:02:07 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 16:30:13 2006. I don't care where I am in your rankings. All I care is that you treat other subchatters, especially someone making their first thread, with dignity and respect, and give them the benefit of the doubt until they lose it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 18:11:57 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 14:44:23 2006. It has to end *somewhere* doesn't it? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 6 18:42:41 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 6 12:52:52 2006. It figures...Even with out trying..your still a dickhead. |
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Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:42:52 2006, in response to (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by zdeno on Sun Aug 6 15:22:46 2006. Hey, pusbrain, we are a community of friends. You do not fit in. Find some other folks to fuck with. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:43:29 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 14:44:23 2006. Brian, I was just fooling around. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:44:47 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 6 18:11:57 2006. 8-) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 18:45:29 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:43:29 2006. Ok. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:53:37 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 6 18:45:29 2006. zdeno is EVIL. |
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Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 6 18:55:15 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:42:52 2006. "Hey, pusbrain, we are a community of fiends. You do not fit in." |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Aug 6 18:55:56 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by xtimx on Sun Aug 6 13:53:35 2006. "NOW WE WON'T FORGET WHERE WE LIVE!!!!!!!!"I love living in Mexico! ...or that is what I thought after shopping at Ikea in Jersey just now. Thankfully, you reminded me that we do indeed live in the USA! |
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Posted by P-rad M on Sun Aug 6 18:58:44 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sun Aug 6 17:01:41 2006. I also saw a 2012 olympics decal on an A train but just this past friday, I didn't catch the car number on it though.P-rad M |
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Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 6 19:00:15 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 6 18:55:15 2006. Kinda like some sort of disfuctional family....LoLOL...O-) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 6 19:01:34 2006, in response to Re: flag decals, posted by P-rad M on Sun Aug 6 18:58:44 2006. Thank God...You don't really WANT to REMEMBER..Do You? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 6 19:03:51 2006, in response to Re: (Weinberg, losing allies quickly) Re: flag decals, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 6 18:42:52 2006. Heh, I wonder if I fit in. |
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