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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Aug 18 15:02:20 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 18 14:59:03 2011. wow seriously? You replied to a six-year-old thread.... |
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Posted by mike cruz on Thu Aug 18 15:04:12 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Dec 27 22:14:41 2005. kinda like a "insta" station just add water LOL, j/k just knock down the wall. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Aug 18 15:08:22 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 18 14:59:03 2011. There are bellmouths between 63rd Drive & 67th Avenue for the Rockaway Branch. Woodhaven Blvd has provisions to be an express station. Per nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 18 15:11:42 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 18 14:59:03 2011. Is there any provision for the LIE branch that pops up in the 1968 Program for Action, but isn't (AFAIK) in any version of the Second System? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 15:17:06 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 18 15:11:42 2011. I believe the bellmouths for the conversion of Woodhaven Blvd to an express stop were to have been used to connect to a proposed line to run under the service roads of the LIE since the expressway intersects Qns Blvd around that point. However, other than that, there were no provisions for that branch that were constructed specifically for it. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 17:22:50 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 15:17:06 2011. But the LI Expressway didn't exist at that time, only Horace Harding Boulevard. Possibly those bellmouths were for a route along this street, however, right to the World's Fair at a minimum, but most likely for a possible extension to Francis Lewis or Springfield Boulevards, or the city Line. Later, the World's Fair route became an extension of the yard leads into Jamaica Yard. It's quite simple - we'll never really know and the reason those bellmouths were built, along with some others, will never actually be known. Conjectures, yes, facts, probably not. I have the very detailed PSC books from most years, but have never seen any reference to any bellmouth anywhere, so although they were built, in many cases, no one knows why. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 18 18:33:13 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 17:22:50 2011. Sometimes they were built just to get the steam shovel out of the hole! ☺ |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 18 19:24:47 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 17:22:50 2011. Well, all the Second System plans that we have seem to suggest that it was not (and that has to be the default assumption, seeing as the alternative Horace Harding Blvd (BMT) line included is fairly consistent). But this is easily contradicted if someone knows of an iteration of the Second System that includes a branch at that point. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:32:34 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 17:22:50 2011. Joe,I,ve got ERA paper,as well as other sources stating that the belmouths were constructed to convert woodhaven into an express stop.there is nothing built beyound the bellmouths.FYI:a bellmouth was constructed at 78st.for the 1st rockaway proposal.BTW,what was the answer to your guess the location trolley barn? |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:44:24 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:32:34 2011. That may be and probably was true, and I'm certainly not disagreeing with it. They were just my thoughts on the subject.As to the location of the trolley barn, no one has given any serious answer to this so I'll have to let the "trolley barn detectives" continue their assignment. There were so few trolley barns in Queens I just can't believe no one has come up with the answer, especially since so many on the board may have passed right in front (or in back of) it recently due to another transportation-related event. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:45:29 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:44:24 2011. was I close? |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:48:27 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:45:29 2011. No. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:50:05 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:48:27 2011. BOO,I shall go home,fling myself on the bed&cry myself to sleep. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:54:19 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 18 19:50:05 2011. Don't forget to say your prays before sleeping. Maybe in your dreams you'll have an apparitions of where the trolley barn is. Come on, guys, there were so few of them. All it takes is a little research in a published trolley book that I'm reasonably certain many of us have. There's even a photo of it in there. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 20:18:07 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 17:22:50 2011. I didn't say that they were built for the LIE at the time of construction. What they were built for was the possible conversion of Woodhaven Blvd to an express station. What I did infer was that since they were already there anyhow and in about the right location, they might as well be used for a connection to an LIE transit line. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 21:22:31 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 20:18:07 2011. I know you didn't say that; it was just a thought on my part. I had heard about the possibility of conversion before also but since the bellmouths were so near to Horace Harding Boulevard, perhaps they could have served a double purpose - for an express stop and to lead into HH Blvd. The thoughts of those who designed the IND have long been buried along with them..... |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 19 14:25:37 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 21:22:31 2011. That is unfortunate. I wish there was some more detailed documentation as to exactly what the planners of the "second system" had in mind. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 19 14:25:52 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 21:22:31 2011. That is unfortunate. I wish there was some more detailed documentation as to exactly what the planners of the "second system" had in mind. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Aug 19 14:52:06 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 19:44:24 2011. As to the location of the trolley barn, no one has given any serious answer to this ...Perhaps nobody has an answer at all. I'd sure like to know where this is myself. --Mark |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 19 15:12:24 2011, in response to Re: Trackways at Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Aug 18 21:22:31 2011. From the drawings Joe Korman has published, from the two versions of the overview map at Wikipedia, from the descriptions down to numbers of tracks of one particular version at nycsubway.org, and from the details of certain segments (such as east of Euclid) in ERA bulletins, I am sure there must be more documentary evidence out there, if only we knew where to look. |
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