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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 7 11:37:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Jun 7 06:55:43 2009.

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That's part of the point. Puts trainmen out of work too.

You also have rail "advocates" that are calling for NJTR to go POP, too.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 7 11:53:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 7 04:32:05 2009.

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Hindsight is 20/20. NY State was wise to purchase the New Haven line and the Hudson line south of Poughkeepsie. NJDOT would have had to pay a much higher price for the NEC and Amtrak, and I doubt Amtrak would have allowed such a sale when Penn Central went under in 1976.

Penn Station was never meant to handle the kind of commuter traffic it handles now from New Jersey. That's the problem. Both the LIRR and Metro North have the capacity THE TUNNEL will give NJT...someday.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 7 11:55:52 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 7 04:34:18 2009.

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The days where every station had an open ticket office ended many years ago. TVM's actually create jobs....someone has to maintain them and collect the money.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 7 11:59:04 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 7 09:29:01 2009.

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Indeed, every single one east of Raritan, except Garwood. Especially since a majority of the riders need to transfer to other trains in Newark. Most often you can simply hand a conductor of a connecting NYP-bound train ANY punched ticket receipt and he/she will take it without stopping and looking if it's valid.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 03:41:32 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 7 11:55:52 2009.

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TVMs actually create jobs....someone has to maintain them and collect the money

There are a lot fewer of those than there would be of ticket agents. The money would be less secure too.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 8 07:11:38 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 7 11:28:02 2009.

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LOL @ that pic!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 08:53:21 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 7 11:28:02 2009.

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Of course he's smiling. He never had to operate them in revenue service.

Despite the more comfortable interior of the PL-42, most engineers I've spoken to prefer the F-40's. Last week when 4120 was on the RVL, a few engineers out there were having orgasms over the prospect of running it as opposed to the usual PL-42's.

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Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines)

Posted by Chipper10 on Mon Jun 8 10:13:00 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 08:53:21 2009.

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I heard that they are now running on the Main/Bergen County Lines, just wanted to know on what times do these cars leave Hoboken in the afternoon on weekdays, O like to rude on one from either of these lines.

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Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines)

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 10:30:08 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines), posted by Chipper10 on Mon Jun 8 10:13:00 2009.

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I don't know the exact trains that they are on, all I know is that when RVL train 2706 (the 4:44 am from High Bridge arriving at Hoboken at 6:29 am) arrives in Hoboken, it turns for a Waldwick train. I don't know if it's an immediate turn or not. I guess you gotta get to Hoboken around 6:30 in the morning to find out. As far as afternoons leaving Hoboken, I have no idea.

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Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 8 10:48:52 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 10:30:08 2009.

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Trains 1257/1270 have been ML runs for a while now.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 8 11:00:49 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Jun 7 09:52:46 2009.

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I made the same mistake.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 8 11:08:45 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 03:41:32 2009.

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Yes, but ticket agents in every station is already a thing of the past. So the option is TVM's in stations or...nothing in each station.

TVM's are also more secure. You can't hold a gun to a TVM's head.

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Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jun 8 12:29:00 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 5 07:20:30 2009.

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HOB still has low platforms, as supposedly do numerous RVL stations and probably on other NJT branches as well. As a conductor, are you mandated to assist those with mobility problems up and down the steps from train to platform? Or is it just a courtesy? Is the positioning of the doors on bilevels any more compatible with low platforms? I remember it was common practice on the LIRR prior to ADA compliance for conductors to assist those who needed it at low-platform stops.

It's funny how a lot of SEPTA RR stations still have low platforms. We discovered that on our little Saturday jaunt on the R2 between Somerton and Center City. The look on my wife's face when the Silverliner came and she discovered she would have to climb three very steep steps was priceless. Also having to go to the ends of the cars and wait on line to exit instead of just going to the nearest side door. This is someone who's only ridden the subway, and very rarely, the LIRR.

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 8 13:03:57 2009, in response to Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jun 8 12:29:00 2009.

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Real railroads = low platforms.

JMHO.

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Re: Low Platforms (was NJT Multilevels)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 14:51:47 2009, in response to Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jun 8 12:29:00 2009.

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It's funny how a lot of SEPTA RR stations still have low platforms

Must be funny how a lot of MBTA and MARC stations still have low platforms as well. NICTD (South Shore Line) still mixes high and low too. On the light rail side of things, SF's MUNI and Pittsburgh's PATransit do a combination of high and low.

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 14:59:13 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 8 11:08:45 2009.

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ticket agents in every station is already a thing of the past

That manner of status quo wasn't even in existence. Lots of station stops going back to the 19th Century had no ticket office. That's why the conductors were authorized to collect cash fares.

TVM's are also more secure. You can't hold a gun to a TVM's head

One could hold a gun to the servicing tech's head, though. If the software hiccups, then no tickets, and how is the trainman supposed to know, so as not to impose the surcharge?

(When NJT started out with the commuter rail TVMs, if you used a credit card, the receipt it spat out would have your whole credit card number on it, as well as your name. You weren't given the option to not have a receipt, either; it spat the thing out automatically. That was corrected later on.)

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Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 15:00:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT Multilevels(running on the Main/Bergen County Lines), posted by Chipper10 on Mon Jun 8 10:13:00 2009.

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O like to rude on one from either of these lines.

O would ye? Thou shalt not be rude on any rail line.

BTW, thanks for actually replying to an existing thread instead of creating a duplicate.

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by aaron on Mon Jun 8 20:06:37 2009, in response to Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jun 8 12:29:00 2009.

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I think most of the SEPTA stations have a small high level platform to accomodate one door...

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 8 20:20:06 2009, in response to Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by aaron on Mon Jun 8 20:06:37 2009.

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Those are the mini-highs, for wheelchair pax. Lots of those on NJT, MARC and MBTA too.

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 22:31:43 2009, in response to Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jun 8 12:29:00 2009.

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supposedly do numerous RVL stations and probably on other NJT branches as well

Howard, what do you mean by "supposedly"? As if you don't believe that there are low platforms on NJ Transit? Well, let me give you a list of all of the low platforms at NJ Transit:

RVL: Garwood, Fanwood, Netherwood, Dunellen, Bound Brook, Bridgewater, Somerville, Raritan, North Branch, White House, Lebanon, Annandale, and High Bridge.

Northeast Corridor: Jersey Avenue.

Coast Line: Perth Amboy, South Amboy, Little Silver, Allenhurst, Bradley Beach, Belmar, Spring Lake, Manasquan, and Bay Head.

M&E: East Orange, Brick Church, Orange, Highland Ave, Mountain Station, South Orange, Maplewood, Millburn, Short Hills, Chatham, Madison, Convent Station, Morristown, Morris Plains, Mount Tabor, Denville, Lake Hoptacong, Netcong, Mount Olive, Hackettstown.

Gladstone Branch: New Providence, Murray Hill, Berkely Heights, Gilette, Stirling, Millington, Lyons, Basking Ridge, Bernardsville, Far Hills, and Peapack.

Montclair/Boonton Line: Watsessing Ave, Bloomfield, Glen Ridge, Walnut Street, Watchung Ave, Upper Montclair, Mountain Ave, Great Notch, Little Falls, Lincoln Park, and Mountain Lakes (there might be more, not sure whether the others are low or high).

Main Line: Kingsland, Lyndhurst, Delawana, Passaic, Clifton, Paterson, Hawthorne, Glen Rock, Ridgewood, Ho-Ho-Kus, Waldwick, Allendale, Ramsey, Mahwah, Suffern.

Bergen County Line: Rutherford, Garfield, Plauderville, Broadway-Fair Lawn, Radburn, Glen Rock.

Pascack Valley: Wood-Ridge, Teterboro, Essex Street, Anderson Street, New Bridge Landing, River Edge, Oradell, Emerson, Westwood, Hillsdale, Woodcliff Lake, Park Ridge, Montvale, Pearl River, Nanuet, Spring Valley.


All of the above are low platforms at NJ Transit rail stations, circa June 8th, 2009.

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Ken S. on Mon Jun 8 22:52:33 2009, in response to Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 22:31:43 2009.

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Boonton Line: Montclair Heights, Mountain View, Towaco, and Boonton are low platforms with mini-highs.

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 22:59:42 2009, in response to Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by Ken S. on Mon Jun 8 22:52:33 2009.

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Thanks...I haven't been out that way in a while and I wasn't sure...

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Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels

Posted by Howard Fein on Tue Jun 9 09:08:56 2009, in response to Re: Low Platforms- Re: NJT Multilevels, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jun 8 22:31:43 2009.

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Thanks, I knew I could count on you. Haven't been much on NJT in recent years, so have been spoiled by the high platforms of LIRR and MN. One becomes more aware of them when with someone who isn't accustomed to them.

Other SEPTA R2 West Trenton stops had the high slabs, but the engineer on the 5:40 out of Market East apparently had trouble lining up with it at Forest Hills to accomodate an exiting wheelchair. To the bargain, the train was blocking a road crossing.

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