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Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 18 21:32:55 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 18 16:38:37 2019. Perhaps they didn't want R15's at the c/r position was because they did not have PA's? |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 18 22:41:36 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 18 21:28:01 2019. Agreed. I meant to say the same thing earlier today but got distracted and didn't post. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:08:27 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by El-Train on Mon Nov 18 12:47:55 2019. Out of all the old cars that got retired in the 21st century, the R44s & R46s aged the best. The R33s & R40Ms aged the best out of the corner cab cars IMO. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 18 23:12:59 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:08:27 2019. When did they retire R46s? |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:18:28 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 18 23:12:59 2019. You know what I meant. The 46s aren't visibly rusting, don't have loud brakes, the A/C is still works, etc. I doubt they will suddenly fall apart in the next few years. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:19:17 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:08:27 2019. In the 46s case, soon to be retired. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 18 23:26:04 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:18:28 2019. They're real rail cars that's why. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 19 07:40:22 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by El-Train on Mon Nov 18 12:47:55 2019. That's what I thought as well. It was cool seeing them back on the IND, but we all knew it was their swan song. And they looked real tired as well. |
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Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 19 17:46:31 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:18:28 2019. By the 1970's, Pullman Standard knew how to build good solid cars. Amtrak Superliners are another example. |
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Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 17:55:56 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 18 20:09:09 2019. When 2 way radios were first installed, they had that capability of being connected to the train’s PA system so that the command center could make direct announcements to the train’s passengers in the event of a serious delay. The problem was that the 12s, 14s and 15s (like the R-1/9s and R-10s on the BMT and IND) lacked PA systems so the whenever one of them was on the head end those announcements could not be made. Eventually, all those cars were retrofitted with PAs with the exception of the R-1/9s so they could be used again on the head ends of trains. Of course on the IND which didn’t mix R-10s with anything else in most cases, there was no choice but to have them on the head end. Just before the last of the R-12/14s were retired, the C/R controls (caps & triggers) were removed completely and the seal beam headlights relocated directly above the taillights as they were on the R-15s and up. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 17:58:04 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 18 21:32:55 2019. That may have been a possibility but I never recall it being openly stated. Of course in the head cars, without a PA, the M/M couldn’t make announcements or contact the C/R either if it became necessary. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 18:28:57 2019, in response to Re: 1/3/D lines running the same car class(es) for 30+years, posted by R33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 18 23:19:17 2019. As I have mentioned in many of my posts, maybe not. The R-46s have all electronic signs and OB type drawheads which are state of the art now on the NYCTS none of which the R-68s and 68As have so it’s highly possible they might outlast the 68s and 68As. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 19 21:09:26 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 17:55:56 2019. I rode on a few R-12/14s as lead motors on the 2 and 3 lines in the late 70s. At the time I didn't know they had electric door engines, so I was curious as to why they didn;t give off the air sounds that the R-10s did. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 19 21:10:17 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 18 16:38:37 2019. Those poor R-15s were victims of discrimination. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 20 01:47:30 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 16 19:53:01 2019. Awesome shot! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 20 01:57:26 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 18 20:09:09 2019. I remember in the fall of 1980 and even 1981, I would have to take the Broadway local to the last stop at Van Cortlandt Park, and they had 12/14s in the lead position. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 20 17:52:25 2019, in response to Re: Mixed Trains on the IRT - When Did it Start?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 19 21:10:17 2019. I agree. The R-15s were one of my favorite car designs along with the R-11 which had many similarities to the R-15. |
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