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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 10 08:21:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:36:12 2018. Not that I know of. 1978 was when I started on and off on the extra list. Only remember 1200 series.Bob |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 10 10:31:50 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018. This is a great photographic story of the R44. Weren’t liked much, especially by operating crews but they were still cool in their own way. And it was great contrasting them with the older rolling stock showing them some love too. Especially when photos of the spruced up R30’s are not so common. And caught sight of the red R27s at Bush Terminal, looking so clean and already on the scrap line. Thanks Bill for these very fine pictures taking us down Memory Lane.Vader |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat Mar 10 14:02:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018. I don't miss the operator cab seat that was too short for comfort, but the braking was excellent, the 44s ran faster and rolled more freely than the current 46 fleet, and the 44 speedometers were more accurate. Enjoyed countless runs on the A with the 44s. Also, every female t/o I encountered when the 44s were in service all loved them, don't know the reason but never heard a female colleague complain about them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 14:27:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018. But mechanically, what kind of shape were they in ? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 10 16:15:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:50:44 2018. OK. Now that you mention it, I probably saw a few of them myself, but unlike the GEV R-30s that received a mini GOH, they were only given a paint job like the WH R-30s. In retrospect, they probably should have GOHed the GE R-27s as well. Despite their lack of A/C they probably could have been used on part time rush hour only lines just to make service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 10 16:20:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 10 08:21:10 2018. Because they were assembled in 3 car sets, they used the 1200s which had only A cars and no Bs. As for the use of R-38s, during one of the Amtrak strikes when LIRR trains couldn’t operate into Penn, full 600 ft trains of whatever was available were used on the JFK and that included some R-38s. I also recall that during that time, all the cars of the train opened up but I don’t recall if the premium fare was collected or not. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 10 16:42:49 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 10 16:20:08 2018. Thanks for that information,I didn't know about that. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:27:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 10 10:31:50 2018. Thanks Vader.Was the R-44 the Rodney Dangerfield of subway cars or the R-16 ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:29:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 14:27:56 2018. But mechanically, what kind of shape were they in ?I would guess they were road worthy, but the ones pictured were freshly repainted. That meant ready for the road, but incoming R-68's put them on the scrap list. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:32:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 10 16:15:34 2018. In retrospect, they probably should have GOHed the GE R-27s as well. Despite their lack of A/C they probably could have been used on part time rush hour only lines just to make service.I think GOH R-27's wouldn't be worth it because incoming new R-68's made them eligible for retirement. Maybe if no R-68's were ordered, perhaps a GOH for the R-27's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 19:32:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 10 16:15:34 2018. Why were the GE preferred to the WH (opposite of R10 and R16 favorite breed situation) ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 10 21:58:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018. I was under the false impression that 8241 was painted red. I thought only a handful of Westinghouse R27's (8020-8135) were red, with the GE's (8136-8249) being retired first full of graffiti. I was obviously wrong. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 10 22:10:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 19:32:42 2018. The Westinghouse R30 had a very heavy controller handle to hold down.The Westinghouse R27 controller handle was not as heavy to hold down. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 11 14:22:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:32:20 2018. As I recall with some discussion among with a few ERA members, MTA NYCT spent $105,000 on just repainting those 24 R-27's. They looked better than even the paint job done on the R-30's, but alas, the R-27's were taken off the road just one month later. That was it for them, and during the Kiley/Gunn era, they wanted to get the entire fleet into the non-graffiti state by mid-1989.-William A. Padron ["#8145"} |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 11 14:24:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:16:44 2018. The R-27's paint job looked better than the R-30's at the time. 24 cars just done at a cost of $105,000, and then OOS one month later.-William A. Padron ["St.L."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 11 14:25:26 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018. Great photos of the R-44's, plus the Red R-27's thrown in as a bonus.Thanks for sharing! -William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Mar 11 14:35:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 11 14:24:03 2018. I heard the "suit" raised holy Hell when the R27s were painted. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 11 14:43:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 10 22:10:55 2018. I agree, but the WH R-27s were no bargain either. The IRT’s R-29s also had the same heavy spring tension as the R-30s, but while the R-32s, 33s and 36s had the same controller, the spring tension was a lot less. Another reason for the retention of the GE R-30s was that starting with the R-27s, GE had an all electric transistorized control system while WH still had electro pneumatic group switches. On the R-16s through 22s, GE had a unique system of cooling the resistors from a blower that operated in sync with the motor generator whereas WH cars of those series had air cooled resistors. The blower cooled system of cooling the resistors gave a lot of trouble especially on the R-16s so towards the end of their service life, the GEs were scrapped first. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 11 14:55:37 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:29:42 2018. If the IRT’s R-26s which were older were road worthy enough to be GOHed as redbirds, then the R-27s certainly were road worthy enough. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 11 16:07:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:15:13 2018. I remember the debut of the JFK- if not the very day, very shortly thereafter. My Mom took me to the Transit Exhibit/Museum in the Fall of 1978- I'd just entered 5th Grade. On the way home, at the Jay St. Station while waiting for the F, we saw the JFK- I'd not heard about it- but I asked my mom, who apparently had.This may have been Sunday, the 24th of September, it was definitely a Sunday, and the weather was still great. I got a new system map that day as well, which did not show the route, and we had KFC for dinner. A year later the new maps came out, and the route was shown. Then, we moved to Staten Island, and I didn't get to use the subway very much. The next I remember hearing of the JFK was an article in 1987 in the NY Post or Daily News comparing the "super-clean" JFK Express to the very run-down equipment used on the Grand Street Shuttle. That summer, I went to Manhattan myself, and checked it out. Sure enough, the Orange S was running some awful R27/30, and a super-clean R44/46 was on the JFK- the cars even had special stickers near the car # to remind crews to keep them clean restrict them to the JFK- I seem to remember a series of white airplane pictograms (4 or 5 of them in a horizontal row) below the car #, which was 12XX (so I guess an R46, though I did not know that). The newspaper article had not mentioned the stickers- but it was quite obvious what purpose they served. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 11 16:11:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:33:17 2018. I liked the R44/46s with the blue stripe. Now that they're shrink-wrapping R160s, maybe they could also give us the blue stripe on R44/62/62As?Anyway, near the end, the R44s looked bad- even my civilian eyes picked up that they were declining. I don't miss them. And besides, I can still see them on Staten Island!!! Those cars are 5 years younger than me, within a month here or there... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 17:07:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 11 16:11:08 2018. The ones on SIR look like hell. Longitudinal water proofing patch along the roof line, right angle brackets over the door frames, and wrinkly stainless steel sides. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 11 17:16:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 11 14:22:00 2018. That works out to $4,375.00 per car. Shoulda called Earl Shieb !Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 11 18:05:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 11 17:16:22 2018. I heard that when the ICE train was visiting the US for Amtrak testing, it cot hit or sideswiped at a Xing and Maaco was called to do the paint job. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 11 18:22:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 11 17:16:22 2018. That works out to $4,375.00 per car. Shoulda called Earl Shieb ! "Any car, any color, nineteen ninety five". It was a great advertising slogan. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 11 20:46:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 11 18:05:46 2018. I heard that when the ICE train was visiting the US for Amtrak testing, it cot hit or sideswiped at a Xing and Maaco was called to do the paint job.LOL ! Big spender Amtrak. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 11 20:48:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 11 18:22:10 2018. Any car, any color, nineteen ninety five".It was a great advertising slogan.. Updated slogan: Our specialty, we paint over steel dust !. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 11 21:07:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 17:07:56 2018. Well, hopefully they can hold up for another 5 years... |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Mar 12 02:42:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018. Interesting, a white T. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 12 02:53:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018. I hope those rolls signs didn't get buried with those Redbirds. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Mar 12 06:41:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 19:27:11 2018. They both never got any respect 😆Vader |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Mar 12 08:30:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Mar 11 14:35:07 2018. I like the "Plane to the Train" destination sign on the middle one. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 13:26:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 12 02:53:54 2018. I hope those rolls signs didn't get buried with those Redbirds.Most likely they did. They hold no value to the scrapper, only steel does. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 12 13:54:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by MTA T on Mon Mar 12 02:42:51 2018. At one point, the V/P of Operations Planning suggested adding extra letters on the rollsigns in case new routes were to be established. Since it was not yet determined which trunk line they might operate on they were installed as plain black on white. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 12 15:16:39 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018. Nice. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:21:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 12 15:16:39 2018. Thanks CHMM.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:22:47 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by randyo on Mon Mar 12 13:54:53 2018. At one point, the V/P of Operations Planning suggested adding extra letters on the rollsigns in case new routes were to be established. Since it was not yet determined which trunk line they might operate on they were installed as plain black on white.(P), (T), (U), (X) & (Y) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Mar 13 13:51:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by randyo on Mon Mar 12 13:54:53 2018. Yep, I was aware that they existed on side signs on several car classes, but not on front signs. |
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Posted by ModelRider on Tue Mar 13 22:04:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018. Glad someone took the time to sign them up correctly on the way to the scrap heap. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 22:53:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:16:44 2018. There was extreme pressure to get the fleet 100% graffiti free. They were so close in early 1989, these were the last dirty cars left. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 14 01:46:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:37:31 2018. Thanks, were you aware of Redbird R-27's before you saw this photo ?Vaguely. You know, looking at the roll signs in this photo, it looks like someone had fun "signing up" with those trains. And I do wonder if you are the one who changed those signs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 01:49:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:16:44 2018. You were still smelling solvent. Paint will still emit solvent for a while after the resin has dried. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:09:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by ModelRider on Tue Mar 13 22:04:48 2018. Glad someone took the time to sign them up correctly on the way to the scrap heap.heh heh heh. Thank you. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:11:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 14 01:46:43 2018. And I do wonder if you are the one who changed those signs.Um, I guess so. lol Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 07:44:11 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018. Whoa! I forgot about the original black fiberglass the R44s came in with. That was the best look the R44s ever had-that and the exterior door indicators for each door leaf when they lit up. But of course the TA had to screw that up too with the silver paint job.Unlike a lot of other people on this board I kinda miss the R44s. I've ridden them practically every year they were in service from my old home line up in the Bronx-the D, to when they followed me to Queens-the A train and in between like trips to relatives in SE Queens-F train. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:57:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 07:44:11 2018. Whoa! I forgot about the original black fiberglass the R44s came in with.The whole front bonnet is fiberglass. That black paint treatment did make their front look much more sleek in appearance, just like R-46's when new. Repainting the black mask area would be an extra step and the car would spend more time in the shop. I think I may have heard that black mask pint as raccoon face or raccoon eyes once. Can anyone say they heard the same ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 08:04:23 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:57:16 2018. No I don't recall that one although the adjective fits. LOL. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 14 08:56:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:57:16 2018. I've heard it before. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:37:12 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 07:57:16 2018. Tha part of the R-44 and 46 appearance I disliked the most was the raccoon mask” appearance of the cars which seems to have now found its way to the NTTs as well. I can’t see how that makes the car look any sleeker than in would without it and I personally think it detracts from the cars’ appearance! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 16:08:23 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 08:04:23 2018. No I don't recall that one although the adjective fits. LOL.No problem, you learn something new here everyday. Bill Newkirk |
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