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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010 With the fixes to the Spuyten-Duyvil drawbridge done, more drama hit Amtrak service on the Empire Line thanks to the derailment of a NJT train in Penn Station yesterday (#6621 if I remember the number correctly). As a result, to my knowledge (and thanks to very last second info, my chances to get photos blew up in my face!!! >:-P), only 1 Amtrak train did end up arriving at Grand Central Terminal. At 1345 (1:45 PM), Amtrak #280 arrived on Track 42 in GCT, engine #707 on the point with 5 Amfleet Is. It was taken around the loop after unloading its passengers, and at the same time, a huge busload of passengers from Penn Station was brought in to GCT to catch this train up to Albany and points beyond.Now, the drama grows, and the Amtrak people become awfully pissed, as GCT supervision basically kicked the Amtrak equipment out of the terminal after it completed its trip around the loop on the Upper Level. There were issues, as I have heard, with the #707's radio having trouble communicating on Channel 2 (78/78), and for the reason which sadly was unknown (radio communication sucked!!!), te Amtrak equipment, rather than be backed back in to Track 42, was ordered to continue on northward up the line and to the Hudson Line and on its way, leaving several hundred Amtrak passengers pissed off and pretty pissed off!! Especially when they were all loaded onto Train #737 to Croton Harmon (yep, all regular stops were to be made!!!!), and some even got on Train #835 to Poughkeepsie. And how ripped off I was to await it being backed in to Track 42 and me to get my shots, only to hear the equipment was kicked out and sent northward on its way!!! Sorry I couldn't get the photos out!! But it made for another story to tell, especially yours truly would end up assisting the Amtrak passengers in their queries (and yes, I did try to get myself on a train they were considering using as a shuttle to get Amtrak passengers up to Croton Harmon, but they didn't gimme the extra $$$$-make chance!! Can't say I didn't try!!) :-) But more so ripped off at a missed photo op for you good folks!!! Grrr!! >:-( So, yep, #707 with 5 cars @ 1345, Track 42 yesterday. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Oct 26 07:48:09 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. What happened to ur superhuman powers?J/K |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 26 07:51:45 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. So I guess that means that Amtrak Empire Connection crews still have to be qualified to Grand Central in case of circumstances like yesterday's? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 26 08:02:24 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 26 07:51:45 2010. That or a MN crew got on at CRO.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 26 08:03:17 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. Man I hate those squeakers. So close yet so far.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 26 08:05:19 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 26 08:02:24 2010. Oh ok. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 08:22:03 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. Do you know for a fact whether or not the amtrak consist entered gct completely unassisted by mncr locomotives? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:29:32 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by arnine on Tue Oct 26 07:48:09 2010. Sorry, I was a victim of poor radio communication and LATE info!!! :-P |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:30:34 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 26 07:51:45 2010. MNR crews piloted them from CRO down to GCT and then supervision took them around the loop and back out!! (RIP OFF!!! :-P) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:31:17 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 26 08:03:17 2010. You have no idea how pissed I was!! Gettin' the info late = no info at all!!! :-P |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:32:22 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 08:22:03 2010. Nope, just #707 and 5 cars, and I only saw the tail end of the Amfleet car (last car) entering the loop. No MNR locos at all, and surprisingly they didn't double end it like times past. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:33:47 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 26 08:05:19 2010. If my knowledge served me right, the Harmon Yard traveling switcher crew hopped on for the ride down (to work this yard job, the crew MUST be qualfied from CP 75 Poughkeepsie to GCT) |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue Oct 26 08:53:30 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. Could they have gotten the boot because they couldn't switch to 3rd rail power and had to run the diesel the entire time in GCT? Maybe some tree hugger dropped a dime, or management maybe took this one train seriously?Paul, how much is the rule enforced about no diesels in Park Ave tunnel, or GCT? |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Oct 26 08:56:25 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:29:32 2010. I know I was teasing u :) my apologies |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 09:13:02 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:32:22 2010. So you're saying they allowed the diesel to remain running and powering the train the entire time? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 09:13:04 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 08:32:22 2010. So you're saying they allowed the diesel to remain running and powering the train the entire time? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 09:38:02 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue Oct 26 08:53:30 2010. The no-running-in-diesel-mode in the tunnel is strictly enforced, and can be BIG trouble for the engineer!!They might have got the boot because if the train should fail for any reason, and the peak period was just 2 hours away and they could not move it for any reason, especially off the loop, that means BIG trouble for the ability to get equipment moved around and into place for the evening rush traffic. The loop gets plenty of use during the 2 PM - 6 PM period. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 09:38:37 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by arnine on Tue Oct 26 08:56:25 2010. LOL!! C'mon buddy it's all good!! :-) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 09:39:31 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 09:13:02 2010. Sad to say yes, and it did make for a big influx of diesel fumes in that side of the terminal plus it got awful warm upstairs near Track 42. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Oct 26 09:40:42 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 09:38:37 2010. Cool :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 26 10:27:57 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 09:39:31 2010. Sounds like the old days when the FL9s weren't working propery. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 26 11:17:35 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. I noted a large percentage of Amtrak trains on the Hudson line yesterday with an engine on both ends of the train. Perhaps this was to facilitate quick egress from GCT. Two of the trains had P40's, not P32-DM's, though. And some trains were still terminating in either C-H or Yonkers. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 26 11:54:17 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 09:13:04 2010. Sounds that way, maybe that is why they forced it to leave so quickly... |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 26 12:00:10 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 26 11:54:17 2010. I agree, like "get that thing outta here".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by xtimx on Tue Oct 26 18:14:49 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. I assume Amtrak crews aren't qualified into GCT and needed a pilot? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 22:13:29 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 26 10:27:57 2010. Pretty much!! But hey, who doesn't love the good ol' days, when railroading was fun!! :-) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 22:14:24 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 26 11:17:35 2010. AFAIK, #280 was the only Amtrak that was sent to GCT. Everything else was being turned at Croton. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 22:15:43 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by xtimx on Tue Oct 26 18:14:49 2010. Most are not, and the Harmon Yard Crew rode on down on #280 with the Amtrak crew, and later supervision boarded at GCT for the ride around the loop. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 26 23:42:50 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. Awesome!! Those pax certainly got a treat after their long ride from Niagara Falls. Instead of that dark and dreary half-tunnel by Riverside drive, they got to enter the city in style on Park Avenue!All the naysayers about it never being able to happen can finally be silenced. Though I'm surprised they did it for this and not the barge incident? What made this special? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 26 23:56:24 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 26 23:42:50 2010. What made this special? Emergency, apparently. Maybe the train was too close to the Inwood Movable Bridge to wait for another locomotive to come and haul the whole train back to Croton-Harmon. So maybe they just decided to let it come to GCT. Otherwise it would have been blocking a track for MNCR trains to use. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 27 01:22:21 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by xtimx on Tue Oct 26 18:14:49 2010. Correct Amtrak only conciders crews qualified for 6 months.Amtrak has been out of GCT for somnething like 20 years. |
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Posted by Amtrak guy on Wed Oct 27 15:46:10 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by xtimx on Tue Oct 26 18:14:49 2010. I would've paid money to see that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Oct 27 16:27:31 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Amtrak guy on Wed Oct 27 15:46:10 2010. But you're the Amtrak guy; it should be free for you.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Amtrak guy on Wed Oct 27 19:22:01 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Fred G on Wed Oct 27 16:27:31 2010. Too bad fred i was all the way in princeton junction doing this thing they call work and i missed all the fun. Pictures would've been real nice though. Hopefully next time. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Oct 27 20:56:33 2010, in response to Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 07:25:51 2010. MNRR people have an attitude problem when it comes to AMTK. Once or twice I had a problem with the AMTK tic machine at Crtn-Hrmn and when I asked the MNRR agent what I should do , I got a nasty "I DON'T KNOW NUTTIN ABOUT THOSE MACHINES!" No suprise the MNRR suits at 340 Madison ave did that to 707 and her 5 cars. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Oct 27 21:01:46 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Oct 27 20:56:33 2010. False, MNR threw those cars out of GCT as it was a safety hazard having them there to begin with and Quite Frankly MNR was being nice allowing it in to begin with. The MNR ticket agents at CH are not trained on AMTRAK machines now they should have been polite so that is a legit beef, but I've also encountered similar nastiness from employees everywhere. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 27 21:06:56 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Oct 27 20:56:33 2010. Reason, Amtrak refuses to pay MNCR service fees.so why should MNCR personel be of any help to Amtrak. Amtrak has failed to pay the MNCR bills for years making ticket agents lose their jobs. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Oct 27 21:13:28 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 27 21:06:56 2010. Did not know that. They operate on MNRR trackage so maybe amtk should fork over what they owe. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Oct 27 21:18:11 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Oct 27 21:13:28 2010. They should but never do :( |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Oct 27 21:51:06 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Amtrak guy on Wed Oct 27 19:22:01 2010. Well I do apologize for that!! I didn't receive the info until very late, and by the time I got there, it was already pulling off around the loop. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Oct 27 22:03:13 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Amtrak guy on Wed Oct 27 19:22:01 2010. I hear ya; this work stuff is getting in the way of my railfanning.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by xtimx on Thu Oct 28 15:51:02 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 27 01:22:21 2010. it's a year for us in the northwest. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 28 16:14:55 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Oct 26 22:14:24 2010. I saw a train being emptied at Yonkers. At least I think I saw it. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Oct 28 21:09:00 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak @ GCT yesterday, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 28 16:14:55 2010. I heard of a train taking passengers at Yonkers, and I think it was one that got turned I believe at CP 12 in Riverdale, and sent back north from there. Most though were turned at Croton-Harmon. |
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