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All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010 So, now all the iconic letter tiles on the trackside walls at the Broadway-Nassau Street station (IND "A"/"C" lines) have been replaced, in anticipation that it will be officially renamed as part of the Fulton Street Transit Center. However, the Brooklyn (Downtown)-bound side wall all each say "FULTON ST", while the Manhattan (Uptown)-bound side wall all each say just as "FULTON".And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["BWAY" "NASSAU"] |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 2 11:25:22 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. Heh....well, I predicted/suggested this change MANY years ago!See here - 2004....where did the years go?: http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=726634 I also expect that "Broadway-Nassau" will be changed to "Fulton St" when the new 9/11 funded Fulton Complex is built. There two, they simply have to change the metal signs on the platform. The wall has "IND" repeating monograms on the wall saying "Bway aNassau" (or something like that), but as we have seen in recent renovations all over the IND, they have no problem covering IND tiles. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 2 12:21:19 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. That sucks. IND name tiles are great- they shoulda been preserved everywhere, including Broad St & 8th Ave/14th Street. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 2 13:24:28 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 2 11:25:22 2010. Not long before it was shut down, too. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Sep 2 14:40:50 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 2 12:21:19 2010. Although I agree that the IND style tiles at Fulton, Broad and 14/8 should have been restored to their original condition, the ones on the Nassau St Line are from the original BRT/BMT designs that were to have been used had the connection from Chambers to the Montague tunnel had been built earlier as planned so are really what should have been done in the first place. 14/8 is a different story since I don't believe the BMT originally intended to go west of 6 Ave anyhow. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 15:21:06 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Randyo on Thu Sep 2 14:40:50 2010. >>14/8 is a different story since I don't believe the BMT originally intended to go west of 6 Ave anyhow.<<Absolutely, and as late as 1924, it was probably not even thought of as a proposed extension to go westward after the first segment of the BMT's 14th Street subway line was opened between 6th Avenue and Montrose Avenue. It was only after when construction started in 1925 for the IND's 8th Avenue main trunk line that a station for the BMT at 14th Street-8th Avenue underneath was added afterward in the plans. -William A. Padron ["8th Ave", "Broad", "Fultn"] |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 2 15:56:27 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Randyo on Thu Sep 2 14:40:50 2010. The stations at Fulton Broad, and 8th Ave are more in fitting with the lines they are on NOW than when they were originally built, so I have no problem with those wonderful and beautifully done renovations.That said, I don't like the renovations at IND stations where they used different fonts on the IND monograms when redoing them, such as at Delancey, and a whole list of others. I like the original IND font. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Sep 2 18:03:04 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. Anyone got any pics? |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Sep 2 19:04:09 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. I thought they were going to keep with tradition and re-letter it "FULTN".-W- |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 2 22:09:32 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Sep 2 19:04:09 2010. Kind of like the way they truncated destination signs on the BMT standards, minus apostrophies. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 3 08:44:34 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 2 12:21:19 2010. Well, there is still this one BMT station that has those IND/BOT-style name tiles, and it was just underneath only one mosaic tablet there when a connecting transfer ramp was opened in 1937 for the "GG": Lorimer Street on the Canarsie-bound platform along the "L" line. The station was renovated some years ago, but the tiles were still retained. Here is the URL to a photo as found from Jeremiah Cox's SubwayNut.com webpage...Lorimer Street, BMT 14th Street-Canarsie Line: 8/17/2008. -William A. Padron ["B'klyn-Queens Lcl."] |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 3 21:01:16 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 3 08:44:34 2010. Yep, I remember that tilework vivdly. Lorimer St. was a stomping ground of mine for three years from 1967 to 1970. I used that station every Saturday during the school year each year. BMT standards, R-7/9s, R-42s - lots of memories. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by 77th Street on Fri Sep 3 21:20:31 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. Perhaps they either ran out of "S" and "T" tiles or realized that it didn't look good on the other side.Also, on another note of station renovation, yesterday I saw the entrances at Jay St near the Fulton Mall, and they now read, "Jay St-Metrotech", the new name of that complex. Borough Hall will finally be removed, likewise for Lawrence St. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Sep 3 22:12:44 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by 77th Street on Fri Sep 3 21:20:31 2010. Removing "Borough Hall" is another anti-Brooklyn action--like changing "Fourth Avenue local" to "Broadway local" or restricting the "212" area code to Manhattan instead of going by population and giving Manhattan a new area code.They still keep dumping on the"outer boroughs." Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY né Brooklyn |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Sep 3 22:24:53 2010, in response to All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by William A. Padron on Thu Sep 2 08:05:38 2010. hey at least there isnt a "FUTLON" in the tiles.... |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Sep 3 23:23:22 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by 77th Street on Fri Sep 3 21:20:31 2010. Yes, the new station complex will be Jay Street - Metrotech. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Sep 4 04:55:38 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Sep 3 22:12:44 2010. They did go by population when they gave 212 to manhattan. Just a different population than you are thinking of, and a more applicable one. The population of telephones! |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 4 06:42:24 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Sep 3 22:12:44 2010. I dont agree with that, the 212 was given to Manhattan as that is where the most 212 numbers were. And "Borough Hall" is closer to the IRT stations that bare it's name. The only reason Jay St got that name to begin with was because the IND wanted a borough hall station, and that was the closest one to it when they were building the IND. The BRT and IRT were still private companies at the time, and the city wanted a Boro Hall station. it has nothing to do with anyone favoring "Manhattan" over Brooklyn...and in any event, when the IND was built and the Jay St-Boro Hall station named, Brooklyn was long a part of NYC already anyway anyway, and is irrelevant to Brooklyn's "independence" even back then....it wasn't "City Hall" anymore after all...This all said, I will miss the name "Jay St-Boro Hall"....that was my station for 3 years.....and old habits die hard. I will continue to call it "Jay St Boro Hall", just as I still call 71 Ave-Forest Hills, "Continental Ave" and Broadway-East New York..... |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 09:56:49 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 4 06:42:24 2010. Not to mention Elderts Lane, 102nd St., etc.I wonder if anyone ever refers to the 75th Ave. station as 75th-Puritan Ave. anymore. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 4 10:06:50 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 09:56:49 2010. The tower machine at Continental Tower does! |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 4 10:52:56 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 09:56:49 2010. I still call Elderts lane that. I also refuse to call Forest Parkway, 85th St, although in that case, the Forest parkway mezzanine has been completely removed at this point.104th St I accepted easily, as like Forest Parkway, the entire 102 mezzanine is gone. That was an interesting change. It started as 102 St, went to 102-104 St, then to 104-102 St, and now is straight out 104 St. It's funny how they pick and choose though when doing this. For example Junius St's mezzanine is unused, and partially removed, the access to that station is at Powell Ave, yet they never hyphenated that name or attempted to change it like 102 St |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Sat Sep 4 11:21:58 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by R30A on Sat Sep 4 04:55:38 2010. What they should have done when they split 212 originally was give each boro their own code. Now NYC has five codes, one overlaps the entire city, one overlaps Manhattan, and the other overlaps the outer boros. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 4 16:02:17 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by hank eisenstein on Sat Sep 4 11:21:58 2010. Which one am I missing? I know 718, 212, 347, and 646... |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 4 16:14:16 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 4 16:02:17 2010. 917. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Sep 4 16:39:11 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 3 21:01:16 2010. What, no Multis? |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 21:40:04 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Randyo on Sat Sep 4 16:39:11 2010. I was a Saturday regular on the Larry from 1967 to 1970, by which time the multis were gone. The BMT standards were still around for about two years, though. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 21:42:08 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 4 16:14:16 2010. I remember when 212 became Manhattan-only and 718 was assigned to the other four boroughs. IIRC that was sometime in 1984. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 01:32:40 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 21:42:08 2010. Yes, we used to have 212, but then they changed our area code to 718 |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Sep 5 03:56:05 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced and Jay St/Metrotech, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 21:42:08 2010. 212 was still in the Bronx until 1993http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/16/nyregion/calling-the-bronx-718-today.html |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 5 04:29:36 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 4 21:40:04 2010. That would be about right since I worked the steels in the summer of 1969 on the 14 St Line. |
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Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 5 08:39:10 2010, in response to Re: All Lettered Tiles At B'way-Nassau (IND) Replaced., posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 5 04:29:36 2010. I didn't ride on that line between June 7 and September 7 of that year. Of course, by September, the standards were gone. |
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