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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Aug 31 19:49:33 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. This probably isn't the reason but it definitely gives the train crew a chance to punch more tickets before Woodside. |
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Posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:51:41 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Aug 31 19:49:33 2010. This train's first stop is Merrick - so that's not it. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 19:57:24 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. Well, then you have increased dwell time and if a pax holds the doors then instead of leaving right at 6:08/6:09 it leaves 6:11 and then it may get stuck behind a signal again so best to leave it at 6:05Remember people wait for trains not trains wait for people :) |
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Posted by zuckie13 on Tue Aug 31 20:44:06 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. It ensures that the train can make it's scheduled slot through the tunnels and any other scheduled connections. They don't want to risk waiting for somebody to hold a door.Not at all uncommon for operations at a terminal station. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 31 20:59:24 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. I'm failry confident that is done with lots of other trains besides your 6:05.I've experienced it myself in the non-rush on NJT several times. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 21:08:47 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 31 20:59:24 2010. It is also somewhat common as well on MNR as well at GCT. What the pax get upset about is when a train is held for signal the train will start then after a car length or two stop, wait for signal then leave for good, but the pax will still start running down the platform after the train. By this time the c/r's are already starting w/ticket collecting. I had one pax come running up to me and scream at me asking why I didn't do anything to stop the train for him, and I told him the train was on time leaving and that I would get into a lot of trouble for stopping a train and should he have any complaints he should go tell the station master's office that has complaint forms. He called me an a**hole and tried to spit on me, and needless to say he missed a lot of trains after that. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Aug 31 22:34:17 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. Looking at the LIRR schedule, if it was moved to say 6:07 there would be an issue with it backing up the 6:10 Freeport if there is any delay |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 07:28:44 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. The situation you describe is definitely not limited to the 6:05 Wantagh. I've observed it on just about every PM late rush hour train I've ever taken leaving Penn, and is more noticeable (to me at least)later in the rush hour than earlier.In my speculation, the problem is that you have many trains entering the station from the east which are frequently crossing in front of the trains about to head east. Whether or not a train will be crossing in front of a particular train on a particular day is subject to the vagaries of crowding/weather/scheduling and many others -- although I'm sure there is a master plan/schedule (just that by late in the rush, it may be more "off" than "on"). In your trains case, it "leaves" Penn at 6:05, but may not be "scheduled" to clear the signal ahead of it until 6:07 or 6:08 -- even though that signal may only be 15 or 20 yards down the track. (Many trains will close up and then pull forward a few yards). Of course, since it isn't a station stop the train can leave early if the signal clears early. Problem is, that if the doors are open when the signal clears then the train potentially misses it's slot and either delays the other trains that need to cross over, or the other trains that need to follow on that platform. Other than for an extremely attractive female, I don't think I've ever seen the crew key open a door for someone during this dwell time. I'd imagine they are under specific orders not to do so, as once people realize that this is possible it becomes the expectation and people start showing up for the 6:05 at 6:07... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 08:34:07 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 07:28:44 2010. That/s a reasonable answer.And to add, a train can always leave late, but it can't leave early, so they probably leave that leeway there in case the slot isopen. |
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Posted by INDependent on Wed Sep 1 10:00:21 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 08:34:07 2010. Thanks for the insights -- this makes sense. Indeed - the train does sometimes close up and pull forward a few yards then wait. Next time it shows up as an M3, I'll head to the front car and see if I can get more insight into what's going on with the signal and crossing trains! |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 10:58:11 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 08:34:07 2010. I don't know if it is still the case, but NJT (definitely) and MNR (I think) used to have trains that could leave early. Typically they were trains like the 6:05 Wantagh which were mainly used as peak expresses to get people home from NYC and not really intended for local travel. Those trains would be marked in the schedule with a symbol saying something along the lines of "may depart up to 3 minutes early".If the LIRR had that practice, then if the 6:05 ever cleared the signal at 6:06 instead of 6:07 or 6:08 it wouldn't have to wait at the first stop (Merrick) to get back on schedule -- it could just make the remaining stops and drop everyone off "early". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 11:12:45 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 10:58:11 2010. Yes, but of course that would never apply to Penn Station. I have seen things in schedules that say that trains may leave earlier at some intermediate stations. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 11:36:38 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 10:58:11 2010. MNR does have that and are marked on the schedules next to intermediate stops |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Sep 1 11:55:38 2010, in response to LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by INDependent on Tue Aug 31 19:46:03 2010. Does your train leave from track 20, by any chance? That's one track in NYP where there are clearance issues through the interlocking - that train can't leave if another train is arriving/leaving on any track other than 21. |
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Posted by INDependent on Wed Sep 1 13:11:41 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Sep 1 11:55:38 2010. Yes - its generally on track 20 |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Sep 1 20:39:31 2010, in response to Re: LIRR 6:05 Wantagh, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 1 10:58:11 2010. LIRR peak PM trains have a general note on all schedules stating that they may leave up to three minutes early. I presume this is intended to apply to stations east of Jamaica, where patrons are not likely to board heading eastbound. The 6:05 PM to Wantagh would be a perfect example; with only three stops, if it left Merrick early, no one is likely to care. However, on the 6:10 PM from Penn Station to Freeport Monday, I did see someone board in Rockville Centre. Presumably he saw the schedule and made sure to arrive well before the scheduled departure. |
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