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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 30 16:07:25 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 28 20:27:09 2010. From what u wrote,I got the impression that it was a high seniority over there....but I probably misunderstood what u wrote..... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 30 16:18:47 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 30 16:07:25 2010. I got the impression from what he said that if you had low seniority, you were at risk of being bumped onto the L. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Aug 30 20:39:07 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by R30A on Sun Aug 29 12:00:41 2010. West side, i take it? I mean can the East fit in a few more trains? |
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Posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 30 22:41:26 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 29 12:20:36 2010. Let's go over this yet again: I am not saying you're not doing your jobs. I'm saying you're doing jobs that shouldn't be there, or that should have been drastically reduced in number and scope had more pragmatic and cooler heads prevailed on both sides. And I'm not pigeonholing your jobs as "tough" or "easy." I'm disputing the pay, benefits, and other perquisites you get with your job with regard to several variables including, yes, the difficulty of it, among other things. Why is this such a sensitive topic? Are you saying that, if there weren't train operator positions, you'd be completely unemployable? Or do you recognize such a sweetheart deal for what it is and are damned afraid of losing it? Cut through the bullshit already. A coworker of mine once saved his colleage from choking. Averting danger isn't limited to the field of train operation. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Tue Aug 31 01:29:48 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 30 16:18:47 2010. So why haven't I been called? |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Tue Aug 31 01:47:39 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 30 22:41:26 2010. How much do u think they should be paid? They aren't even top paid in the us, or are the paid more than metro north and l.i.r.r.....you think someone responsible for hundreds of people on a train should be paid minimum wage? How can u dispute whether or not a train is easy to operate? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 31 02:18:29 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by rtype3995 on Tue Aug 31 01:29:48 2010. Called to what? |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Tue Aug 31 02:21:32 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 31 02:18:29 2010. To work the L.....I have no seniority.....for the most part I see a lot of people with time go work that line..... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 31 19:03:47 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 30 22:41:26 2010. Sweetheart deal?T/o's and c/r's are making middle class wages. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 20:40:49 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 31 19:03:47 2010. Jesus H. Christ . . . don't get me started. You are living in a socialist workers' paradise with every excuse NOT to work imaginable, and you want to be applauded like kindergartners whenever one of you accidentally does back into doing some semblance of work. No. I'm not buying it. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 20:44:20 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 20:40:49 2010. NOT to work imaginable, and you want to be applauded like kindergartners whenever one of you accidentally does back into doing some semblance of work.I could care less if people applaud me or not i do my job.. BTW i was a Plumber for seven years before i started with TA.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 20:49:38 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 20:44:20 2010. I think where he's going is that if you're not a banker, you ain't sheet ... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 20:57:56 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 20:49:38 2010. I think where he's going is that if you're not a banker, you ain't sheet ...His opinion hes entitled to it, I'm not losing sleep over it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 21:02:14 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 20:57:56 2010. Nor should anyone. Only wish more people could do schoolcar and probie and find out what it's all about before guessing at it. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 21:02:44 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 20:44:20 2010. Don't bother rail. Ain't worth you to stress. He'd get along great w/ another certain poster :( |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 31 21:06:32 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 20:40:49 2010. What are you talking about?What am I doing when I'm moving people from point A to point B SAFELY all day? Not working for almost 31 years? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 21:07:08 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 21:02:44 2010. Don't bother rail. Ain't worth you to stress.Arnine i thank you for the advice but he dont stress me out he speaks whats on his mind. If you agree with his opinion or not thats fine with him. I have more respect for somebody like that than a hypocritical coward ... He'd get along great w/ another certain poster :( Er no he don't he sees right through his game as well.. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 21:13:45 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 21:07:08 2010. Ok my apologies then. Didn't realize it :( |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 21:14:02 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 21:13:45 2010. None needed its cool :o) |
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Posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 22:52:53 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 20:49:38 2010. Unca Kev, you know I think you're a good guy despite our disagreements, so I will be nice and spell it out for you in as unemotional a manner as possible, so that maybe you can see what your bretheren are up against. I, myself, am not doing that badly in the grand scheme of things, you could say. In my own world, however, I feel I'm behind the curve with regard to where I thought I'd be by now in several measures, and feel resentful that I either made some incorrect decisions based on faulty research, or that the goal posts have been moved after the ball has been kicked. I complain to my (unemployed, maritally separated, bankrupt, unhealthy) friends about my situation, and all they can do is growl at me for even COUNTENANCING upset, given the state of our world nowadays. I can only apologize to them and think in my head that "everybody has their own problems and feel that theirs are the worst in the world. I shouldn't have to apologize, but under the circumstances . . ." It's like being out in a sea without a ripple in a sailboat with a broken sail complaining you're not going anywhere while back on land a tsunami destroys everything up to 50 miles inland and thousands of people are being killed. You didn't even KNOW about the tsunami because the wave fleeted under you, and you're concentrating on getting your craft moving again. Does that make you a beast for complaining so loudly about your lot under the circumstances? Suppose the next day the sailboat got struck by a wave and killed the crew because the boat couldn't get out of the way? Same exposure to danger; different realization of same. Well here's the deal: MTA hourlies are in that broken sailboat, unaware that around them the very people they rely on for their livelihoods are suffering. Interminably. At least when compared to their situation. Yes, it is tough not to take a luxury vacation when things are tight. It makes you unhappy, and yes, you have every right to be. But others are unable to eat, or otherwise keep up the lifestyle to which THEY are accustomed, while those at the MTA are looking to maintain their lifestyle, or worse, INCREASE their standard of living, despite everybody else's receding, I wouldn't give a shit if it was Goldman Sachs or WalMart for that matter whose employees were looking for more money. I choose to give or not give my money to them. I can't choose not to give money to the government, and feel that your asking for more money, perqs, benefits, time off . . . whatever during what should be austere times, at my expense, is just wrong, especially when I am suffering worse than you are. For example: - Our base pay (hourly rate) is comparable. - I only get three weeks vacation per year. Not the worst, but not as good as your 4 after some ridiculously low seniority (I won't get four weeks until about twelve years). And I had to go twelve months without a break other than a normal calendar holiday because of my company's vacation policy. I can't bank it, and I don't get paid for the days I don't use. - I pay approximately $2,000.00 per year into my health insurance. That's a week's vacation right there, with first-class airfare if you do it right. I also pay $50.00 for each script and a $20.00 copay for an office visit. - I do NOT get a pension I don't pay into. I contribute nearly $7,500.00 per year into my 401(k) for a retirement that I may work and rant myself to death before. My company pays about another $3,000.00. Combined, that money can be the difference between a down payment on a decent lifelong investment in a home and just getting by making someone else wealthy renting their hovel. Should you feel bad for me? You be the judge: By my estimates at a 10% annual compound rate of return at my current level of contribution, I predict a $5 million nest egg at age 70 1/2, when I will have to start taking required minimum distributions on all this tax-deferred accumulated wealth. But I don't want my life to begin at 70 when I need the money NOW to live as a member of this so-called "middle class" that is slowly withering away in the private sector. And can I hang my hat on a ten percent annual return in the market? Of course not. Hell, I'd be lucky if I didn't LOSE money this year at the rate we're going. Hardly an American dream. - In addition to your non-contributory pension (or ridiculously 1% low, I forget . . . correct me if I am wrong), you can do what I can do (and have been doing, more or less at various periods) and invest in BOTH a 403(b) (similar to my 401(k)) using your own money up to $15,000.00 AND an IRA of up to $5,000.00 for your retirement. Shit, $7,500.00 is already sunk into my 401(k) . . . where am I going to get $5,000.00 more for my Roth IRA, or another $7,500.00 to round out the K? And those income streams would be in ADDITION to your free money pension that escalates with the cost of living. But you will get a check 'til the day you die, and don't HAVE to save a cent. So go buy that house, that Cadillac, that boat, and that summer house wherever. 'Market down fifty percent this year? Pshaw! Father Knickerbocker has your back. All for doing what, that anybody with decent eye-hand coordination and a few days of getting used to the equipment can do if they put their mind to it? - My birthday is not a paid day off in addition to all others. - My job involves a four-year college degree and having to pass a battery of stringent, substantive, esoteric, licensing and regulatory exams, all while knowing that most of the jobs surrounding me, as well as my own job, can either be moved to India or computerized. If I slip up, I could be responsible for millions of dollars in losses. Is that a bit of hyperbole? Maybe, but it can happen in theory. And it is just about as hyperbolic as your slipping up and putting 2,000 lives in the lurch. For every Union Square or Malbone Street, I could name an instance (such as just a few months ago, when some jerkoff caused the Market to fall 1000 points because of a typo) where inattention at my position can cause just as much suffering. Thankfully, in both cases, the instances are few, but they are profound. Okay, back to the issue at hand: Different education requirements, different degree of qualification hurdles to jump over, stress of similar order but different torsion . . . comparable pay. Something's wrong here. Either I worked too hard in school, or I shouldn't have bought the line bandied about my circles that working for the government was a dead-end for dead-enders. - I can't retire after 20 years with full benefits 'til I drop dead. Nevermind 25. Fuck, no company wants to see their employees much after five anymore. They just become too expensive and don't produce any more than they had five years ago. Sound familiar? And these are just the major issues. Sometimes I, as the "banker," feel like sheet compared to this sweetheart deal y'all get. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Aug 31 22:59:50 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Aug 30 20:39:07 2010. I would guess that they will go to provide service for the 7 line extension, as well as to raise the spare factor fleetwide. Remember- We had so few cars available on the A division a few years ago that runs had to be cut. Having more spares will be useful on both the east and west side lines. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 31 23:15:28 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by R30A on Tue Aug 31 22:59:50 2010. True, I see now. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:28:28 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 22:52:53 2010. And out of respect back at ya, I fully understand how you feel. Just so you know, I bailed from civil service by my own choice back in 1997 for several reasons - first that I was in a position where I had done all that I had been hired up to do and that policy in the agency I was working for had changed from needing someone with my technical skills and I saw myself being used in the future for nothing more than flying a desk and signing off on bullshit.Add to that, I had reached my maximum pay rate and hadn't seen a raise in almost 6 years owing to retrenchments while others doing the same kind of work I was doing in the private sector were being paid 2.5 to 3 times as much as I was getting as a state employee. I was also fortunate enough to have developed on my own time a software solution that was selling and so the decision to hit the silk was a good one. I understand your upset under the current conditions, but in fairness one also has to realize that what I saw in civil service has been going on continuously for the people that you're upset with and as far as their pay, they've done without for many years with atbest small incrementals while everyone else was getting fat, dumb and happy. As to their medical benefits, I can assure you that the work they do is extremely dangerous and is a rather hazardous environment. If you want to have some fun, check on the actuaries of retired TA employees. The mortality rate shortly after separation is amazingly high. Simply put, they don't last long, and tend to be quite "sick" when they retire. I don't think that people who haven't seen what they actually do aren't appreciating the seriousness of how hazardous the work actually is for those who survive to retirement. So I can understand the rage over the administrative types, but it's quite different for those working in the hole as compared to pencil pushers. I don't believe they got the 25/55 - like so many other broken promises, that never happened as far as I know. And as far as their wages and benefits, do bear in mind that they have severely lagged and they got an agreement (reiterated through arbitration) that MTA failed to follow. All negotiated prior to the situation "we're" in now. They're entitled to what was agreed to as surely as a loan contract. You definitely have my sympathies for what that's worth ... I can't believe the screwing we all got since 2001, and sadly it looks like those who screwed us before are going to get voted BACK in to screw us all some more. There's plenty of savings that the MTA can provide among so many layers of wasteful stupidity. However I just don't see the hourlies being part of the problem - they're getting shafted as badly (if not MORE so) than the public. Hope you understand where I'm coming from - I don't go to this much effort in a reply here for most anyone else. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:30:42 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:28:28 2010. Just so you know, I bailed from civil service by my own choice back in 1997 for several reasons Yeah, but then you went bankrupt, right? You didn't mention that part. You'd think that would be pretty important to mention... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:34:45 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:30:42 2010. 12 years later in order to keep the sale of the company to COMODO going and the company from going bankrupt? What the hell does that have to do with civil service? As usual, you're an idiot. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:37:38 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:34:45 2010. What the hell does that have to do with civil service? As usual, you're an idiot.With an Ivy League "Education" Kevin get it right... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:43:28 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:37:38 2010. And we're SO happy for him. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:46:33 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:43:28 2010. LOL he soo livid he cussed me out on facebook trolling up a good thread of Jasons, the boy has some sort of chemical imblance..Too bad he dont have the guts to say those things to my face.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:52:58 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:46:33 2010. It's that time of the month ... send him flowers and some bacon. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:56:38 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:34:45 2010. What the hell does that have to do with civil service? Everything. You gave up a job with guaranteed pay only to go bankrupt. You left that last part out. I wonder why... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:57:15 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:52:58 2010. Nah Silver Fox just blasted the boy into the unknown regions with a post...As i said a coward, a hypocrite fits him to a tee.He can talk all he wants on a computer means nothing to me. I just keep laughing.... The Meltdown is coming watch we will have a Tony Clifton or a Mr Volt sighting soon.. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 00:19:06 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 31 23:28:28 2010. Civil service might have gotten screwed as well, but again, it's a parallel but different yardstick. When T/Os etc ask for ten percent yearly raises, we on even Wall Street, nevermind Main Street, have to laugh. For every "wig" on Wall Street and his million dollar yearly bonus, there's hundreds of us who are lucky to make a ten percent bonus that year. I know, you don't get bonuses in the public sector, but that ten percent (of which fifty percent is taxed) pales to the generous overall package on offer to you. And raises in the private sector -- I kid you not -- top out at about three percent a year. With money markets paying one basis point interest, and with inflation going about 4%, what does a two or one percent raise do for you? If you can get more, props to your Union daddy. But seriously, why YOU and not others, especially when others have no choice in paying YOU as opposed to paying [insert name of favorite private sector CEO scumbag here]? If we're suffering, that's all the more reason for YOU (collectively, as in the public sector. Not you personally) to suffer in kind. No more, no less. All of Generation X is getting lied to about its prospects for a future. When we were ten years old, houses cost $30,000.00, and annual incomes were approximately equal. Now, a matchbox house costs $400K in a decent neighborhood with average schools, and wages went up, what, two thirds? I'm not talking about the dolts who always lived beyond their means and are now crying in their beer about how the rest of the world is to blame for their shortcomings. I'm talking about honest, upright people with even decent-paying jobs like mine who can't amass enough capital to enter the Establishment and live independently despite doing all of what they've been told was the right thing. And this chasm is getting larger. But what honks me, and others like me, off, is that there seems to be a band of renegades out there, who say they're "like us," who live "like we do" who refuse to understand that when they ask for more in times like this, they are hurting themselves, hurting those around them, and not winning any sympathy, despite their working just as hard "as we do." They do. But we're still questioning how many of them are needed, at what price, and whether more is in everybody's interest. Just like in the private sector. And this is something, sadly, I don't see many of them willing to understand. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:23:25 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 00:19:06 2010. When T/Os etc ask for ten percent yearly raises, we on even Wall Street, nevermind Main Street, have to laughWe can ask for it but getting it is a pipe dream.. 11 percent over three years looks like the "norm" in civil service,and the Union is in court trying to get the last year... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:24:43 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:56:38 2010. Heh. I guess you think you've got it all sewed up because daddy had to give you a job because you can't stand on your own merit. That's what business people call a "leech." When daddy dies, then what will you do when there's nobody to run interference for you?Some folks like variety and want to continue growing, moving on and staking out for themselves. I'm not the "employee" type, never was. When times are good, they're VERY good. And when times suck then you're motivated to do better. But you'll never know any of that ... you're a drone sucking off daddy. Good for you! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:26:40 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 31 23:57:15 2010. Heh. I enjoy his posts actually ... he actually thinks he's important and yet when the lights go off, he'll be at the front of the line pissing and moaning not knowing WHAT to do. I used to feel sorry for the boy, but I got better. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:29:11 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:24:43 2010. Kevin i should link his cussing rants on facebook here ...Effing Epic!!!! I wonder if they violate thier code of conduct policy?? |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 00:42:40 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:23:25 2010. 11 percent over three years looks like the "norm" in civil service That's still about 25 - 75% higher than in the private sector. Three percent per year goes to someone 50 years old, with 80 years of experience, and has demonstrated the ability to walk on water in front of the board of directors. Not to be nasty, but one guy in Union Square was selling these tiny musical instruments -- saxophones, etc., so I saw a nice small violin, about four inches across, and decided to buy it. Know why? So I can play the world's smallest violin to anybody who sorely needs it. I'd play it to your union. Not necessarily you. Again, and over and out: Nobody hates you. We healthily debate what you do, why you do it, what the alternatives are, and why haven't all alternatives been discussed. It happens everywhere, to everyone, in every job. Most of the time it isn't as overt, and is only limited to a small group. But in the gubbamint you are in a fish bowl. Everybody's an interested party. Comes with the territory. We can't be faulted if the conclusions fall outside your favor. It's not even a matter of fault; it's a matter of fact. Just like if I'm shown wrong on here, I'm one of the few who concedes points from time to time. I can't argue with facts. I wish the Union mentality would see this as well. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:45:45 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 00:42:40 2010. Silver Fox no need to "explain" your views to me, im hip to them i know theres no hate from your end towards the Union Sector.(you have your dislike in store for another yahoo).I might not agree with your views but i respect you for saying them... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:51:32 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 00:19:06 2010. Got news for ya ... the boomers got lied to as well. SOME of us still went ahead and worked our asses off anyway and many made out until a couple of years ago. Many of the rest of us just accepted the truth and made due with what we could get. Welcome to the corporate bullshit world of broken promises, trickle-down and "if you're not doing what you thought you were promised, then you're not working hard enougn." We're STILL hearing that shit even today.But as to that 10% per year, dunno where that came from but public sector contracts usually run 3 years or more between renewals and the media always pegs that raise by totaling up the years to an amount that really doesn't work out to that. The 3% you're talking about per year would be a windfall amount for civil service. With rare exceptions, there were numerous years of zero, and less than 3% so it's important to correct you on the numbers because what you were told the raises were if that's the case is every bit as much a fib as your "future." The future didn't really start going into the bag until Reagan got elected, and Gen X'ers were the biggest boosters of the GOP "dream" ... you have only yourselves to blame there for being played like suckers. Shoulda put down the Atari for a minute and paid attention to what was going on around ya, no offense. Like I tried to say though, I can truly understand the butthurt. Happened to me as well ... but you're shooting in the wrong direction here ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:58:11 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:29:11 2010. Dunno ... I was never vain enough to do that place ... as far as copyright law goes, it IS a "public display" and has been accepted time and time again as perfectly legal since it's "out there in public." And there's plenty of precedent right here on subchat as far as posting public stuff done by folks here for the amusement of others ...I'd say GO for it! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:59:46 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:45:45 2010. And to add my own comment, had not people bought into the union-busting of their favorite politicos, they might have HAD a union to watch out for their interests ... they don't. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 01:01:41 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 00:45:45 2010. And I've always respected and responded in kind to your straight-shooting on any matter we both discussed. I've learned a lot about the day-to-day grind that the T/O job is, and would probably sit for hours eagerly listening to the stories you could tell. Sometimes, when talking to a crowd whose opinion sides against yours, you have to speak twice as loud to be half as effective as your opposition. That's a factor of four, and you still are taking long odds. So imagine four of you -- Bill from Maspeth, Selkirk, you, and (who else?) flooding the board with your side on the matter as just a matter of course and the tide I must buck to keep my message from merely getting swept away in the static you all can generate. Each word I type has to hit with the power of four of yours. That, and for some strange reason, I despise the average. I hate the mediocre. I have to be somewhere outside the box at all times. If I was just to drone a bland, flat, and conventional opinion, I wouldn't elicit much of a response, much less an agreement from those too frightened to speak out on their own. How can someone get excited about an unexcited opinion? I believe what I say, but sometimes have to say it with a bullet for it to be noticed. But enough of that. Holy crap, time to hit the ole horizontal. School night. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 01:03:22 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 01:01:41 2010. Have a good night.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 01:04:16 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 00:59:46 2010. You learn the hard way sometimes Kevin... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 01:04:39 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Wed Sep 1 01:01:41 2010. And have a pleasant yourself ... I *do* appreciate these ... always nice to talk to someone who's reasonable and actually will listen even if there's no hope of swaying anything ... do bear in mind also that the majority of opinion I express isn't actually genuine, it's a reaction to walls of bullshit that cause me to take stands often just for the sake of kicking some of the shit to the curb ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 01:08:41 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 01:04:16 2010. True ... hopefully some will actually learn a few lessons as to what the current times are about. I learned my lessons back in the 1970's as to what was important, what was not and perhaps the most important lesson of all ...
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 01:16:16 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 1 01:08:41 2010. Love it :) |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Sep 1 01:17:55 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Sun Aug 29 11:58:00 2010. Adam,I disagree on both points. Faults with the CBTC system are not a conspiracy to extend the employment of unionized train operators. If you were familiar with the design and procurement process you'd realize how implausible that is. You can make the case that there was corruption, but if the TWU benefits it is as an innocent bystander. Second, I don't think that the jobs of train operator and conductor are obsolete. Successful ATO systems that you may be thinking of such as BART and WMATA are smaller, less complicated, and designed from the outset for such operation. And they are not completely driverless either. The case can be made for BART-style OPTO/ATO and eliminating the conductor on short trains. But on longer trains it is impossible at the moment to provide safety against door and dragging accidents without someone else at the middle of the train. Same goes for evacuations. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 1 03:15:33 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by SilverFox on Tue Aug 31 22:52:53 2010. I don't have a boat.I don't have a cadillac. My minivan is 9 years old. I don't have a summer house. I don't have a non-contributory 20 year pension, and I pay a lot more than 1% into it. You are one angry man. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 1 07:01:39 2010, in response to Re: Oh L - Robotrains have a mind of their own, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Sep 1 01:17:55 2010. Thank you for finally putting Adam in his place. |
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