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Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Andy on Tue Aug 31 22:34:48 2010

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Sept 1, 1962: The Port Authority of NY and NJ takes formal title to the Hudson Tubes system, creating the PATH system as we know it today. In two years will be the big 5-0!

The PATH creation was part of a larger package that allowed the PA to build the World Trade Center atop the Hudson Terminal in Lower Manhattan. Nobody could have forseen what happened 39 years later.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:00:32 2010, in response to Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Andy on Tue Aug 31 22:34:48 2010.

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Nobody could have forseen what happened 39 years later.

They couldn't even foresee it less than one day before!

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by PATHman on Tue Aug 31 23:08:12 2010, in response to Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Andy on Tue Aug 31 22:34:48 2010.

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Very nice. The Port Authority is doing an excellent job!

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:13:03 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by PATHman on Tue Aug 31 23:08:12 2010.

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The Port Authority is doing an excellent job!

How so? And how can you be so sure?

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by andy on Tue Aug 31 23:43:49 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:13:03 2010.

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Take a ride on PATH. Despite its age (102 years) it is a well run system and is now replacing all of its 1965-1982 rolling stock with a brand new fleet of P5 cars. And it does not receive taxpayer subsidies.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:58:40 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by andy on Tue Aug 31 23:43:49 2010.

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I hardly see how what you wrote shows that PANYNJ is doing a great job with PATH. But even if I accepted what you wrote, how does that show that the PANYNJ overall is doing a great job in all of its endeavors, as PATHman was stating?

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 1 00:05:08 2010, in response to Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Andy on Tue Aug 31 22:34:48 2010.

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I am not fond of the name change.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by andy on Wed Sep 1 10:29:17 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:58:40 2010.

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Then state in specific terms your opinion of how PATH is run - is it good, mediocre, poor, etc., and why you feel that way. Thanks.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 10:39:49 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 31 23:00:32 2010.

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That thread still gives me the chills today.

I remember the last time I saw the WTC.... I had a date with a girl I was dating in Manhattan on the East Side....and I was driving in on the LIE to meet her on a beautiful Saturday evening. The sun was setting, and as I approached the Midtown Tunnel, I glanced over at the WTC out of my window, they were all lit up and sparkling in the evening dusk, and I was all excited about my date.
The day was August 11, 2001. Little did I know what would happen exactly a month later on that quiet evening. I would be the last time I looked at the WTC in person.....

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 10:50:31 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 10:39:49 2010.

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My last time seeing the Twin Towers was Sept 10th 2001..

Took this crappy picture from the Statue Of Liberty..

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 10:55:33 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 10:50:31 2010.

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That is a great pic :)

What is this BS about you saying you don't take good pics?!?

That's a good pic you put me to shame man

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 10:56:53 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 10:55:33 2010.

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Its grainy i was just getting into digital cameras...

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 1 11:12:00 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 10:39:49 2010.

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I remember the last time I passed through the World Trade Center.

It was Saturday, September 8, 2001. After spending some time at the Try Transit Festival in Hoboken, the time came for me to leave and attend a class at Queens College. I headed to the PATH station, and arrived just in time to see a 33rd Street train leave. My initial plan was to take a 33rd Street train, then take a V train at 34th Street, then get off at Woodhaven Boulevard for the Q88. With the 33rd Street train departing, I decided to take the next train out, which was headed to the World Trade Center.

Upon arriving there, I walked through the concourse to take the E train. The concourse was noticeably quieter than usual, with a few of the businesses located there closed for the weekend. However, it did feel slightly eerie. I took the E train to Roosevelt, where a V train was waiting across the platform.

At the time, I thought nothing of it, but now that I look back at it, I don't know what to think. One of the items I picked up while I was in Hoboken was a PATH QuickCard holder, promoting an event on PATH. The location: World Trade Center. The date: Thursday, September 13, 2001. Needless to say, that event didn't happen.

You can see photos I took on that day here.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 11:35:22 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 10:56:53 2010.

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Stop it. It is great yeah a little grainy but still a great pic, keep them coming man. :)

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 1 11:43:52 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 1 11:35:22 2010.

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Ok lets keep it on trains then...

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 1 11:59:50 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 1 11:12:00 2010.

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I was going though some old stuff this morning - - papers I filed away. As was the case for the 15th time in a row, my WTC visitor ID came up. I wanted to cry for the 3,000 lost souls.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 1 12:32:27 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by andy on Wed Sep 1 10:29:17 2010.

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I think PATH is slightly better than average but not as good as should be expected.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 1 12:34:53 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 1 10:39:49 2010.

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The last time I passed through the WTC was probably some time in late July or early August 2001 on my way to Newport-Pavonia.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 1 12:50:44 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by andy on Tue Aug 31 23:43:49 2010.

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And it does not receive taxpayer subsidies.

It is far from self sufficient in the true sense of the phrase. It is subsidized by the Port Authority's other operations

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by andy on Wed Sep 1 13:10:19 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 1 12:50:44 2010.

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Very true. Those subsidies are largely from the bridge and tunnel tolls on the PA's six crossings between NJ and Manhattan or SI.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 1 16:37:41 2010, in response to Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Andy on Tue Aug 31 22:34:48 2010.

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Ah, the WTC! My favorite buildings (The old one). Currently, my favorite is the ESB but once the new 1 and 2 WTC open (I'm so so about the other two buildings) those will be my favorite. I loved the TV antenna on the roof of the North Tower, I looked so cool up there, it survived the fall of the building intact, I wish they would have kept it intact and put it in that hanger in JFK, then bring it back in tact as part of the memorial thats being built @ the site.

I was only in the WTC site itself once pre 9/11 passing though to go to the old 7 WTC. I seen the towers a whole bunch of times traveling on the various highways of the city when they was standing.

My only grip about the new building (1WTC v2) is that Brooklyn won't have an good view of it as 2 WTC will be as almost as big as the ESB, thus blocking most of the view. I wasn't around to see the old WTC get built, its cool watching this new building go up, 1 & 4 WTC are the only buldings that are currently above street level with their construction, both will be finshed by 2013, I can't wait!

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 1 16:45:04 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by PATHman on Tue Aug 31 23:08:12 2010.

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Very subjective observation.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 1 16:45:54 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 1 12:50:44 2010.

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And those do receive taxpayer subsidy, via involuntary surcharge.

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Re: Sept 1 important anniversary

Posted by Andy on Wed Sep 1 17:16:47 2010, in response to Re: Sept 1 important anniversary, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 1 12:32:27 2010.

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Again, no specifics either way, so no sense continuing this sub-thread. Exactly what does "slightly better than average but not as good as should be expected" mean? Could refer to cars, stations, tracks, tunnels, service patterns, etc.

I was only trying to mark the anniversary, anyway. I remember it well. Right away, the old H&M "black cars" carried a new blue and white sign that said "PATH/Port Authority Trans Hudson." The following year, the use of two small 15 cent tokens for the 30 cent fare was replaced with a single 30 cent larger token. And PATH initiated a design competition for 250 new cars, which of couse became the PA1 fleet built by St. Louis. A poster showing all bidders' designs was displayed in all of the old cars.

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