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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 31 11:00:02 2010 I recently saw a reference to the LIRR Bi-Levels as "C3." Is this an official designation and if so were there ever C1's or C2's? I know that several years ago the LIRR did have at least one trainset of double deck cars. What ever happened to it? Thank you all inadvance for any information.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:02:29 2010, in response to LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 31 11:00:02 2010. The C1's were the original prototypes which ran with the FL9AC's. They were electrically incompatible with the later C3's (LIRR brilliance once again) and the last I heard they were part of a museum fleet in CT. Not sure if there was a C2. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 31 11:35:51 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:02:29 2010. Not sure if there was a C2.There is no C-2, LIRR coach classes (since MTA) are odd numbered. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:38:20 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:02:29 2010. There was no C2 as MTA only gives odd series designation to New Haven line stuff.The C1's were stored at end of line on Naugy (railway museum of New England) for its owner, the cars were for sale for years and finaly two or four of cars were sold to whomever took over colorado skitrain, but that train never got of ground. as far as I know the remaining 6 are still at end of line on Naugy. The C1's were not compatible with the DE/DM fleet or current C3's the cars were made up as married pairs with a drawbar between each A and B car. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:44:22 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:38:20 2010. You can find them stored, using Bing maps/bitd eye view at Joyce street in Torrington Cthttp://www.bing.com/maps/ |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:45:48 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:44:22 2010. Thanks.Why would the LIRR care about using the C2 designation, since CDOT does not use any kind of "C" designation for it's unpowered coaches. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:47:44 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:45:48 2010. old habbits |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:48:43 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:45:48 2010. And CDOT has nothing to do with it, only MTA sets designations. The M2/4/6 are 1/3 owned by MTA/Metro North. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Aug 31 12:21:06 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:38:20 2010. pics? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 13:20:49 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Aug 31 12:21:06 2010. google?? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 31 16:32:12 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:44:22 2010. Most of the C-1's have gone to one of Ed Eliss's tourist railroads in Colorado. He was to in fact use them as part of the stillborn Denver Ski Train last winter. He converted the couplers and brakes to standard AAR , not a big deal. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 17:35:28 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 31 16:32:12 2010. the brakes were already standard AAR and yes they changed couplers, but they only got 4 out og 6 carsThe cars are still non compliance as they can only be enterd or exited from another car, all electric systems are 32 volt which is out of ordinairy. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 31 17:42:47 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 11:38:20 2010. I think you mean even-series for New Haven? And shouldn't that only apply to EMUs, since you have Shoreliner I and II? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 17:49:36 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 31 17:42:47 2010. yes even, Hey I did not make decision for LIRR so don't blame me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 31 18:28:49 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 17:35:28 2010. I think one of the problems they must have had with selling them is not only their non standard parts, but also the fact that you need a high platform to enter them. Most tourist railroads have low platforms or no platforms, so need the stairs. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 18:36:47 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 31 18:28:49 2010. They would have been better off buying a few of NJT's old Comets. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Aug 31 18:47:28 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:02:29 2010. They were prototypes. There was never any expectation that they would be used permanently. The same idea as the R 110 subway cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 31 19:10:30 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 17:35:28 2010. I know the LIRR considered converting them to be parlor cars to run with the C-3's, but with the computerized braking on the C-3's and the 16 vs. 32 volts, no way. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 19:20:02 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 31 19:10:30 2010. computerized braking on C3's ??? regula AAR 26 type brakes as far as I know. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 31 19:20:54 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 31 18:28:49 2010. I think one of the problems they must have had with selling them is not only their non standard parts, but also the fact that you need a high platform to enter them. Most tourist railroads have low platforms or no platforms, so need the stairs.Instant white elephant ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 19:33:05 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 19:20:02 2010. If you mean micro proccesor controlled 26C brake? , that is slip/slide and load sensing, something the C1's had too. |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Aug 31 19:40:55 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 31 11:02:29 2010. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 31 19:54:42 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by PATHman on Tue Aug 31 19:40:55 2010. Cool video thanks :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 1 17:30:56 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 31 19:33:05 2010. The brakes aren't compatible with standard AAR. I know someone asked then Pres Prendergast about converting some P-72's to bike cars to the east end. Response was the braking systems were too incompatible.LIRR also considered leasing a set of ex-Metroliner Amfleet cars as a Parlor car train when they were mothballed after the Acelas came on line. They were tested with a Super Steel, and they did not behave well together. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Sep 1 17:36:22 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Double Deckers, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 1 17:30:56 2010. The P72's were not compatible cause they ran at lower brake pressure and had no 480 trainline or communications jumpers.The C1's did have all required cabeling despite having wrong plugs(non standard)but could have been rewired other than doors. The Amfleets were rejected due to door and communications issues involving FRA required items, not brakes |
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