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Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010

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They're spending €4 billion ($5.1 billion) to tear down the existing rail station, close the stub tracks and replace them with underground through tracks, a project called Stuttgart 21. Critics are calling it a big waste of dough, and even expect costs to rise as high as €8 billion ($10.2 billion). On top of all that, the city of Stuttgart now has to assume all of the costs, whereas the original estimated €2.6 billion was to have been shared among Stuttgart, the federal government and Deutsche Bahn; the people feel betrayed.

Deutsche Welle

Society | 13.08.2010

Reconstruction of Stuttgart railway station begins amid protests

Dismantling of Stuttgart's main rail station has begun amid protests against the controversial "Stuttgart 21" construction project. Thousands demonstrated against the opening of the €4-billion plan.

Thousands of people in the western German city of Stuttgart came out in protest on Friday against the destruction of the city's main train station.

Huge cranes and other construction vehicles had arrived in the early morning hours — accompanied by dozens of police — to begin dismantling the facade of the northern wing.

Some twenty activists attempted to blockade the construction zone but were escorted away by police. Others, according to a police spokesman, were heard insulting the workers and disturbing them with noisemakers.

The protests were directed against the so-called "Stuttgart 21" project, which entails a huge transformation of the main rail terminus into an underground facility within the next nine years.

The redevelopment will replace the station's dead-end tracks with through lines in a bid to streamline connections between Paris and Vienna, which, according to the project's slogan, will turn Stuttgart into "the new heart of Europe."

Worthless waste of billions?

Those opposed to Stuttgart 21, meanwhile, see the project as a massive waste of money, referring to it not as the new heart of Europe, but rather as the Milliardenloch, or "billion-euro hole."

When the project was agreed in 1995, the new station was expected to cost €2.6 billion ($3.3 billion), to be shared by Germany's national rail operator, Deutsche Bahn, the city of Stuttgart, and the federal government.

That original estimate has been raised several times since, with costs for the project now expected to amount to €4.1 billion — a sum many fear will continue to rise.

Well over half of the city's population is against Stuttgart 21, with a public opinion poll by the Stuttgarter Nachrichten newspaper showing close to 65 percent would vote to stop the project if it were put to a referendum.

But that's no longer possible, as the city of Stuttgart is not solely responsible for the project or for its costs.

Gangolf Stocker, who heads the initiative "Living in Stuttgart" that supports and organizes weekly protests against the reconstruction plans, told Deutsche Welle that it was "extremely undemocratic" that the people of Stuttgart were not allowed to influence the development of their city.

"This must be stopped: It's that simple," Stocker said. "The future of our city is being determined by a few individuals who are using the people to achieve their own personal motives. And they've been lying about the costs from the very beginning. We haven't seen the last of the 'readjustments'. We think it will reach at least €8 billion. And that's €8 billion for nothing."

Ecological protests

Criticism of the project does not stop at its escalating costs, however. Thousands of citizens have also objected to ecological ramifications that include the reduction of a main park near the station and the chopping down of nearly 300 trees.

Over 19,000 citizens in Stuttgart have joined a group to protect the Schlossgarten park from being reduced in size and to prevent the trees located on the grounds from being destroyed.

The members of the group are also worried that the construction project could result in damage to the city's water supply and nearby mineral sources, with millions of cubic meters of water required for completion.

Stuttgart 21 'can no longer be stopped'

But in the face of the protests, which have lingered for years in Stuttgart, a city known for its wealth, prosperity and order, officials are determined to push the project through.

Stuttgart mayor Wolfgang Schuster was quoted in the Stuttgarter Nachrichten as saying a moratorium was "unthinkable," given the time, energy, and money already invested.

He added that those opposed should "not forget that [Stuttgart 21] is both democratic and legal. Parliaments on all political levels, and the people of Stuttgart, passed the project in 1995."

Schuster was given vocal support on Wednesday by Tanja Goenner, the transport minister of Baden-Wuerttemberg, the state of which Stuttgart is the capital.

"We believe that this is a very decisive infrastructure project for the future of our state, and for this reason we will not back down," Goenner said on Friday in Stuttgart, even as protestors gathered at the station in an equally dogged mood.

Author: Gabriel Borrud
Editor: Ben Knight


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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 14 01:06:38 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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And Germans are tighter than Scots ... the SURPRISE here would be?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:16:28 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Here's der Spiegel's take on the story. Concept pics in the link.

08/13/2010
'Stuttgart 21'

A €4 Billion Makeover

By Josh Ward

The "Stuttgart 21" project is one of Germany's and Europe's largest urban renewal projects. It will see the train tracks that cut through the center of the southern German city placed underground, creating entire new neighborhoods. But many Stuttgart residents are deeply opposed to the multi-billion-euro undertaking.

"Stuttgart 21" is a massive — and massively controversial — railway and urban-development project for this southwestern German city famous for being the home of Daimler, Porsche, Bosch and other major German manufacturers and the capital of the state of Baden-Württemberg.

First conceived in 1988, the project has gone through several permutations, but three key elements remain: creating a high-speed railway connection to the city's airport; transforming its main railway station from a terminus station to a through station; and creating a 60-kilometer high-speed rail line between Stuttgart and Ulm, nearly halving travel times between the two cities to only 28 minutes and also connecting to the city's international airport.

This last element is part of a larger European project related to the high-speed railway corridor stretching from Paris to Budapest, which city and regional officials hope will transform Stuttgart into "the new heart of Europe."

The new station and urban redevelopment project originally had a price tag of €2.6 billion ($3.3 billion), but it has since ballooned to around €4.1 billion ($5.4 billion) — costs that will be jointly borne by Deutsche Bahn, Germany's national railway operator, Stuttgart's airport and federal, state and city governments. The high-speed rail component is slated to cost an additional €2.89 billion, €865 million more than planned in 2004.

After many delays related to legal, financial, administrative and other factors, the plan was approved in 2007 and construction, which is expected to last up to a decade, began in February 2010.

New Space Downtown

In 1997, the Düsseldorf-based firm Ingenhoven Overdiek and Partner won a Europe-wide competition to design the new railway station. Its plan envisions demolishing the terminating platforms and a wing of the 1927 station designed by Paul Bonatz, placing some tracks underground and moving train storage sidings to another part of the city.

Doing so would allow the station's transformation into a through station and free up a massive space in the downtown area — around 100 hectares (247 acres) — that would be given over to a number of new commercial, residential, green and public spaces.

Other touted benefits include decreased travel times for commuters, travelers and freight and the estimated 4,200 jobs to be created by this "driving motor for growth, jobs and the prosperity of future generations," as the plan's website proclaims.

Mass Opposition

The project — and particularly the train station plan — also has its fair share of detractors, and for a wide range of reasons. For example, some believe it is diverting funds from other important infrastructure projects. Others oppose any demolition of the old station and have even tried to get it protected by lobbying for a UNESCO World Heritage Site designation.

Others oppose the damage to local green spaces that the construction process will entail. Still others, believing the project is overambitious and over-priced, have proposed scaled-back plans, such as preserving the station as a terminal station but increasing the number of its access tracks.

Such opposition has also spawned several opposition groups and protests drawing thousands, including the ones that have been held every Monday since the fall of 2009 in a conscious echo of the Monday demonstrations that were part of the peaceful revolution in the former East Germany in 1989.

Other protests, including one held in late July, have drawn as many as 12,000 opponents of the project. Indeed, opposition to the project has been increasing since April 2008, when a local newspaper survey found the population evenly split for and against it. It has also been a key issue in local elections and prompted significant increases in support for the Green Party, which has vocally opposed the project for many years.

A recent public opinion survey taken by pollster Emnid found that 58 percent of Baden-Württemburg residents would like to see the state abandon the ambitious undertaking. German television actor and local resident Walter Sittler says people are angered "that the citizens weren't involved in such a massive project."

Critical Report

And critics are also citing a new report commissioned by Germany's Federal Environment Agency (UBA) and executed by the Berlin consulting firm KCW, which concluded that the project would not eliminate any bottlenecks in the country's train transportation network. Instead, it is critical of the fact that the new station would only have eight platforms instead of the current 17. According to the weekly newspaper Die Zeit, which obtained a copy of the report, it concluded that the project "should be stopped immediately" because it "doesn't reduce any bottlenecks, but instead creates new ones."

It also warned that the Stuttgart 21 project would offer little benefit for Germany's crucial freight train operations. And it claimed that the estimated costs for the construction of the new station and the high-speed railway line — around €7 billion — was clearly too low. UBA, however, has no jurisdiction over the project.

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Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany)

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Aug 14 08:22:57 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Notice how they can spend more on one station than USA can spend on Amtrak in 4 years ??

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 15 09:14:01 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Aug 14 08:22:57 2010.

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That they can. This appears to be something like NY Penn's demolition when it comes to what they want to do to the old station though, to the people of Stuttgart; and the cost increases are very reminiscent of ARC.

On top of that, some shenanigans were going on at the state level from politicians who seem to have a vested interest in building Stuttgart 21.

The Local (Deutscher Depeschendienst)

Baden-Württemberg ordered ghost trains to aid Stuttgart project

Published: 15 Aug 2010 13:57 CET

The state government of Baden-Württemberg is accused of having paid more than €100 million under questionable circumstances to Deutsche Bahn in order to save the controversial transport project Stuttgart 21.

This €4.1 billion rebuilding project involving the historic Stuttgart central station attracted tens of thousands of protesters over the weekend.

Now it is claimed in Der Spiegel magazine that the state of Baden-Württemberg agreed to pay for ten years of not-yet-finished railways in order to plug a hole in Deutsche Bahn’s finances — so it could continue with the Stuttgart 21 plan.

A report written in 1999 revealed the 344 million Deutsche marks (around €172 million) gap in the financing for the project, Der Spiegel reported. Yet it was seen as crucial for the project to go ahead, joining the station to a 32-kilometer (20-mile) tunnel as well as a new connection to Ulm.

But it could only be financed if Baden-Württemberg agreed to finance new regional rail traffic, some of which would only be used after completion of the Stuttgart 21 project.

The magazine quoted from the draft contract between Deutsche Bahn and Baden-Württemberg, which specifies that the state would order the provision of 1.45 million train-kilometers in 2001, which would be introduced after the completion of Stuttgart 21.

This would cost around €7 a kilometer, amounting to around €10 million. An order for new trains to the amount of DM200 million (€100m) came on top of this. The contract was slightly altered in 2001 and signed, and is valid until 2016, the magazine reported.

Deutsche Bahn has said there was no immediate connection between the contract and Stuttgart 21, adding that such a deal would be illegal.

Baden-Württemberg has admitted a connection between the orders placed with Deutsche Bahn and Stuttgart 21, but said that it was not only done in order to improve the economic viability of the project.

A spokesman for the Baden-Württemberg state Transport Ministry said the agreement was discussed openly and intensively at the time and it was considered a good idea to kill two birds with one stone — to increase rail transport in the state as well improve the economic viability of the Stuttgart 21 project.

The then Baden-Württemberg state Transport Minister Ulrich Müller has rejected any improper connection between the two factors, being quoted in Der Spiegel saying he got what was best for the state.

A state spokesman said that Müller’s deputy at the time Stefan Mappus, who is now state premier, had little to do with the deal, only taking part in the final negotiations, not the months-long preparatory discussions.


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Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany)

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Aug 15 09:46:33 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 14 01:06:38 2010.

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I think it was the trousers. :)

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Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany)

Posted by Fytton on Sun Aug 15 11:57:59 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Hmm. I wonder what the new Hauptbahnhof in Berlin cost? Less than this, I'd guess. The reconstruction of St Oancras in London cost less than 1 billion (pounds), may a little over 1 billion euros. This is nearly four times that...

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 15 12:44:27 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Aug 15 09:46:33 2010.

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Heh. :)

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 15 16:06:49 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Fytton on Sun Aug 15 11:57:59 2010.

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At least there was some impetus behind building something at the former Lehrter Hbf; there wasn't any tearing down of a classic station involved. IIRC, the price tag of the new Berlin Hbf was in the €3 billion range or something like that; but it included other ancillary construction on the railroad not at the site.

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Posted by Joe on Sun Aug 15 20:46:27 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 15 16:06:49 2010.

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About 1997 we purchased tickets on an ICE from Munich to Stuttgart. A digital speedometer was at one end of the car. I was very disappointed that we got nowhere near high speed, especially as we wound our way through the hills from Ulm to Stuttgart. I just checked an ICE schedule: 56 minutes for about 90 km, or about 60 mph average. That'd be good time on most Amtrak routes, but it isn't high speed. I think the Stuttgart 21 project involves more than the stub-end terminal and includes a straighter route from Ulm. And I could be wrong.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Aug 15 21:22:38 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 15 16:06:49 2010.

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there wasn't any tearing down of a classic station involved

IIRC, while the mainline station was torn down in the 1950s, the original Stadtbahn station was maintained and was a listed building until it was torn down for the new station.

the price tag of the new Berlin Hbf was in the €3 billion range

Actually, it's $4B Euro, and it's still "half-built" as the connection to the Nord-Sud Tunnels on S-Bahn were never built...

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Posted by R PansePCC on Sun Aug 15 21:27:23 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Too bad. That is a beautiful station.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 16 00:59:13 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by R PansePCC on Sun Aug 15 21:27:23 2010.

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Doesn't seem to me that all of the alternatives were considered. They've really stirred up the people against it.

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Posted by Fytton on Mon Aug 16 06:38:33 2010, in response to Re: Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 15 16:06:49 2010.

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'the price tag of the new Berlin Hbf was in the €3 billion range or something like that; but it included other ancillary construction on the railroad not at the site.'

Presumably you mean the north-south tunnel across central Berlin that brings trains into the low-level platforms at Berlin Hbf. But the, the way it reads is that the Stuttgart sum also includes such a tunnell, since the Hbf there is being converted from a terminus into a through station, so perhaps that 4 billion euro includes 'ancillary construction' too.

The oppositon to the Stuttgart work seems to centre on two things: the expenditure of so much money during a time of economic difficulty; and the destruction of a historic station building.


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Rail advocate group opposes reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 1 11:20:38 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Not sure if I can characterize "Pro-Bahn" as the equivalent of NARP, but it's close enough.

The Local (Deutscher Depeschendienst)

Rail passenger group calls for end to Stuttgart 21

Published: 1 Sep 10 09:09 CET

An advocacy group for German train passengers said on Wednesday the controversial plans to revamp Stuttgart’s main station could still be aborted in light of continuing protests against the mammoth rail project.

Karl-Peter Naumann, the head of the association Pro Bahn, told daily Berliner Zeitung it wasn’t too late to stop the partial demolition of the southwestern city’s historic train station in the hopes of making it an important European rail link.

“The politicians and (Deutsche) Bahn certainly didn’t expect so much opposition,” he said. “That could cause this project to be reconsidered and there could be a return to plans to modernize the terminal.”

Tens of thousands of people in the state capital of Baden-Württemberg have demonstrated in recent weeks against the Stuttgart 21 project, which aims to make the city of 600,000 a key station on one of the longest high-speed lines in Europe. The 1,500-kilometer (930-mile) "Magistrale for Europe" would link Paris, Strasbourg, Munich, Vienna, Bratislava, and Budapest.

Engineers plan to blast 16 tunnels and cuttings into the many surrounding hills, build 18 new bridges, lay 60 kilometers (40 miles) of new train track and create three new stations.

But opponents are furious that the project will, among other things, tear down the side wings of the train station building, a 1928 modernist classic designed by Paul Bonatz.

Naumann said abandoning the expensive project would actually be in the interest of most regional rail passengers.

“Stuttgart 21 offers absolutely nothing traffic-wise except for linking the convention center with long-distance connections,” he said. “But it’s news to me if Stuttgart is supposedly an internationally important trade fair location.”

Naumann said Pro Bahn supported modernizing the historic terminal building and dropping plans for expensive excavation work.

“That’s enough; you don’t need an underground construction costing billions,” he said.

Deutsche Bahn CEO Rüdiger Grube proposed on Saturday a roundtable between opponents and supporters of Stuttgart's controversial railway construction.


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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 23 00:57:09 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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This op-ed from der Spiegel calls the project a "white elephant".

09/22/2010
Stuttgart's White Elephant

Germany Spends Billions on the Wrong Rail Project

By Christian Wüst

A multibillion railway development project is going ahead in Stuttgart, despite the fact that it offers hardly any benefits for the rail network and the money would be better spent elsewhere. Experts have been warning against the plans for years, but they were ignored.

There are hundreds of little reasons to be opposed to the "Stuttgart 21" railway and urban-redevelopment project. Most of them are trees, which will be cut down as part of the work. Angry locals are now sitting on the branches of those trees in the city's Schlossgarten Park to protest against the chainsaws of power. And the massive demonstration against the plans, which involve moving Stuttgart's main railway station underground and turning it from a terminus into a through station, is starting to look more and more like an open-air festival.

There is also a big, truly compelling argument against Stuttgart 21, one that concerns all Germans and not just those living in Stuttgart: money. Or, more precisely, the extremely large amount of money that will be sunk into the project.

Current estimates put the costs of building the subterranean railway station in Stuttgart, the capital of the southwestern German state of Baden-Württemberg, at €4.1 billion ($5.38 billion). An associated high-speed rail line to Ulm, a city lying about 90 kilometers (56 miles) southeast of Stuttgart, is slated to cost another €3 billion.

Stuttgart 21 is one of the most expensive transportation infrastructure projects in Germany today — and by far the most controversial.

To address the arguments of the project's critics, the people behind it have now launched an ad campaign that fires back with supposedly better arguments. When it comes to the trees, this is relatively easy: While 282 old trees will be cut down, it points out, the city plans to replace them with 293 new trees.

But when it comes to the issue of money, the case for Stuttgart 21 isn't as easy to make. "It's true that 'Stuttgart 21' is expensive," the campaign posters read. But, as they go on to explain, the funding also includes "billions from (Germany's national railway operator) Deutsche Bahn, the federal government, the state government and the European Union."

How comforting.

From Paris to Bratislava

Those in the campaign's target audience are probably smart enough to realize that — since they aren't just Stuttgart residents, but also Germans and Europeans — those state and EU funds are actually coming out of their pockets as well. But what, you might ask, is the payoff for Deutsche Bahn, the federal government or the EU of implementing Stuttgart 21 and building the new line to Ulm?

Deutsche Bahn CEO Rüdiger Grube offers one answer: The building project, he explains, will "eliminate the biggest bottleneck on the high-speed route from Paris to Bratislava."

Despite having been at the helm of Deutsche Bahn for more than a year now, it would seem that Grube still doesn't have his facts straight. It might help if he actually took the train from Paris to Bratislava. The roughly 13-hour trip would probably be enough to convince him that this so-called express corridor actually isn't so express and that boring tunnels through the karst formations of the Swabian Alps mountain range for the Stuttgart-Ulm line is not about to make the connection significantly more attractive.

'A Transportation-Policy Disaster'

As Düsseldorf-based engineer Sven Andersen puts it, "Stuttgart 21 does nothing for long-distance travel." Unlike Grube, Andersen has spent his entire career working in the railway industry, most recently as an expert on operational issues, and is considered one of the top experts on Germany's railway system.

As Andersen sees it, Stuttgart 21 and the related plan to built the Stuttgart-Ulm high-speed railway line are "a transportation-policy disaster." Likewise, he adds, the project seems to be based on a complete misunderstanding of Stuttgart's role in the German and European railway network. "Stuttgart is a destination," he says. "It's not a place people travel through to get someplace else. Converting the station into a through station won't be an improvement on any significant route."

Indeed, all you have to do is look at a map to realize that Stuttgart is not a central location. All fast connections between key economic zones pass through other cities. For example, the Frankfurt-Zurich route runs far west of Stuttgart through Karlsruhe and Basel, while the Frankfurt-Munich route makes a wide arch through Würzburg and Nuremberg, far north and east of Stuttgart.

What's more, while Deutsche Bahn forecasts substantial growth in traffic along these key routes, it predicts that the Stuttgart-Ulm-Munich corridor will continue to be less-frequently used. As Wolfgang Weinhold, who used to be Deutsche Bahn's director of network management, pointed out in 2007, "After Stuttgart, there's a big drop-off in traffic."

Part 2: Ignoring the Experts

The situation was no different in 1988, when Professor Gerhard Heimerl first proposed the tunnel idea — before being promptly shot down by railway experts. In an essay examining the proposal in February 1992, Deutsche Bahn's then director of locomotion, Eberhard Happe, wrote that it made sense "to transport people traveling between the Rhine/Ruhr region, Frankfurt and Munich on trains passing through Würzburg," which lies roughly 150 kilometers (93 miles) northeast of Stuttgart. More specifically, he added that: "This eliminates the need to spend billions to make the Stuttgart-Ulm route extremely fast."

Happe was even more sharply critical of the plan to put a tunnel under Stuttgart and an underground train station on top of sloping ground. As he put it: "A platform line downward gradient of more than 1.6 percent in the train station of a major city — which is not allowed according to regulations for railroad construction and operation — must be viewed as illegal."

This harsh verdict had consequences — for Happe himself. Then-Deutsche Bahn CEO Heinz Dürr tried to take disciplinary action against Happe, but he failed.

Keeping the Ball Rolling

Like Grube, Dürr came to be head of Deutsche Bahn after working in a different industry. At the time, he was very enthusiastic about Stuttgart 21 and preferred to close his ears to experts who doubted its wisdom. In February 1994, Ulf Häusler, a senior executive in Deutsche Bahn's track division, filled out an information sheet needed to apply for the launch of a regional planning process related to the Stuttgart-Ulm route. Under item 2, labeled "Proposed Route," Häusler wrote: "The approach to the Stuttgart main railway station will stay as it is."

In a section entitled "Key Requirements of the State (Stuttgart Long-Distance Rail Tunnel with Connection to the Main Train Station)," Häusler wrote: "These requirements could not be included." Ultimately, he concluded, the project would not be economically feasible "even under the most favorable of scenarios."

Nevertheless, the state and city governments kept the ball rolling. The potential benefits that the development project would have for the regional economy were far too enticing, and the city of Stuttgart was thrilled at the prospect of acquiring the enormous piece of property the current track system was sitting on — and opening it up to developers. The trick was to convince the federal government and Deutsche Bahn that a project that had been so roundly criticized by so many people was actually a good idea. And proponents of the plan were encouraged by the fact that, at the time, two Baden-Württemberg natives held key decision-making positions related to such projects.

Two months after Happe's negative assessment, Dürr fired the initial salvo for the massive project at a now-legendary press conference. There, he was flanked by then-Transportation Minister Matthias Wissmann, then-Baden-Württemberg Governor Erwin Teufel and Manfred Rommel, the mayor of Stuttgart at the time. All four were natives of Swabia, the region surrounding Stuttgart, and all four backed the tunnel project. And, so, the foundation was laid for wasting a massive amount of money.

Stop, Go, Stop, Go, Go

If you were to hypothesize on what might have motivated Dürr to promote Stuttgart 21, you could come up with a lot of answers. For example, as the scion of a family of Stuttgart industrialists, Dürr could certainly recognize the importance of such a development project for the local economy. Still, higher-ups from Deutsche Bahn had already informed him a while back that the plan wouldn't help the company.

But then the project was suspended for a while. Dürr's successor, Johannes Ludewig, a colorless and cautious man with a background in politics, put Stuttgart 21 on ice for the time being.

Then, yet another industry outsider almost got the project on track again. Looking back, if you are going to say that Dürr's tenure as CEO of Deutsche Bahn was marked by incompetence and Ludewig's by hesitancy, you'd have to say that Hartmut Mehdorn's was characterized by dreaming too big. The former aviation industry executive — who, in his determination to take Deutsche Bahn public at any cost, imposed austerity measures that led to disastrous drops in quality levels — had a thing for oversized construction projects.

With Mehdorn at the helm of Deutsche Bahn, Stuttgart 21 went into the execution phase. Still, even just trying to hammer out a professional infrastructure plan failed. When the state hired SMA, a Swiss transportation-planning company, to evaluate the overall plan in 2008, the experts discovered embarrassing engineering mistakes.

Most importantly, however, the narrow, eight-track transit station called for in the plan did not at all align with the city's needs. SMA concluded that: "Routes that terminate in Stuttgart must be avoided if at all possible." But it was an absurd demand for Stuttgart, given its status as a classic destination city within the rail network.

Part 3: Connecting the Railway Dots

Constructing a new high-speed line to Ulm also creates more problems. Granted, it will reduce the traveling time along the route going east by half an hour. But the fact is that upgrading the track that is already there — which has been heavily neglected and is currently in poor shape — could alone reduce that time by 15 minutes. Doing so would be cheaper and cut the travel time between Munich and Stuttgart to an attractive two hours.

Likewise, the only way to justify the cost of building the high-speed line would be to guarantee that it will attract a lot more passengers to this particular route. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards. In a presentation on the issue, Deutsche Bahn itself only highlighted how the line would improve connections from Mannheim, Frankfurt and Cologne to the small city of Ulm.

In fact — just as Happe, the critic reprimanded by former CEO Dürr, concluded 18 years earlier — the far-more-important Frankfurt-Munich route will continue to pass through northern Bavaria. And, in any case, travelers can already reach their destination more quickly along this route than they would be able to if they were travelling via Stuttgart and Ulm on the planned high-speed segment.

Engineering Complications

The line also promises to be a challenging engineering feat. For example, the line would have to pass through karst rock formations. Cavities in these formations are extremely difficult to detect beforehand, and if they are encountered, it will drive up construction costs even higher.

What's more, the trains that will be allowed to travel on this section of track will also be extraordinarily expensive. For example, the tracks running parallel to a 16-kilometer (10-mile) section of the autobahn would have an average gradient of about 2.5 percent. A steep section of that length "corresponds to the characteristics of railroads in the Alps," says Andersen, the railway expert. And having high-speed trains travel along this corridor would place enormous demands on their engines and brakes.

Of all the high-speed trains currently operating in Europe, only the ICE 3 model could be used on the route because it has an underfloor drive system and additional eddy-current brakes, which operate electromagnetically and are therefore not susceptible to fatigue. However, the route between Munich and Stuttgart has traditionally been travelled by Intercity trains, which are older and pulled by locomotives.

At some point in the next decade, the railroad industry will replace these trains. But then it will have to develop a train that is designed to operate at normal speeds of up to 250 kilometers per hour (155 mph) and that is equipped with the most sophisticated brakes available today — and all of this just to satisfy the demands of a short segment between Stuttgart and Ulm.

Better Ideas

If you take all these facts into consideration, you have no choice but to conclude that, instead of representing progress, Stuttgart 21 would merely translate into horrendous costs with hardly any appreciable benefits.

Still — unlike other, truly urgently needed construction projects — it has already gone through the entire approval process. For example, Deutsche Bahn network experts have been lobbying for years to build a high-speed rail line between Mannheim and Frankfurt, which would also benefit Stuttgart. But even though it would close a critical gap in the German rail network, the plan has long been blocked as a result of disagreements with the city governments of Mannheim, Darmstadt and Frankfurt.

Likewise, it's also true that Stuttgart would get more out of having an improved rail connection to Paris than from having an underground train station. Even though high-speed trains — German ICE trains and French TGV ones — travel along this route, the trip between these two cities still takes about four hours. The only thing lacking are good tracks on the German side.

The French national railroad, on the other hand, has already built high-speed rail track almost all the way to the German border. More than 18 years ago, the German and French transportation ministers signed an agreement stipulating that the Germans were going to provide connections to their high-speed rail network. But the Germans have yet to keep that promise.

Closing the gap north of the border city of Strasbourg, in northeastern France, would reduce travel time by about 40 minutes, Andersen says. If this were to be done, he believes, rail connections from Frankfurt and Stuttgart to Paris would finally become competitive with air travel. And total construction costs would amount to €1.5 billion — or less than a quarter of the budget for Stuttgart 21.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

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Police using *water cannons* against Stuttgar 21 protestors

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 1 01:26:44 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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So now everyone knows how modern Germany deals with protestors against unwanted government projects (they aren't exactly NIMBYs). This is a ridiculous turn of events, but not unexpected given what Germany's about nowadays.

The Local (Deutsche Press Agentur)

Water cannons turned on Stuttgart 21 protestors

Published: 30 Sep 10 16:42 CET

Police turned water cannons and pepper spray on Stuttgart 21 protestors on Thursday in a dramatic escalation of tensions over the controversial rail construction project.

Some protesters were injured amid the violent scenes as police exercised force to clear demonstrators from the Schlossgarten, a Stuttgart park which will be excavated as part of the huge railway project.

Thousands of opponents of the project were attempting to stop building contractors’ heavy equipment from getting in to start clearing 300 trees from the park.

A police spokesman said the officers tried to form a defensive line to ensure the passage of the construction workers. But hundreds of people blocked the way, some of whom also jostled police.

The police then formed a large force of manpower to clear the way, which included water cannons and mounted officers. The spokesman refused to say whether police batons were used.

Eyewitnesses said the police had also used pepper spray against protestors.

Baden-Württemberg Interior Minister Heribert Rech said federal police as well as officers from Bavaria, Rhineland-Palatinate, Hesse and North Rhine-Westphalia were helping his own state’s police with the operation.

It was the job of the police to ensure that this legal, approved building project could go ahead, he said.

“We are fulfilling that (job) – no ifs, no buts,” he said.

The police were aiming for a de-escalation of the situation. But criminal acts or blockades were be dealt with firmly, he said.

The €7-billion Stuttgart 21 project plans to make the city part of a 1,500-kilometre high-speed rail route across Europe. It will require 16 new tunnels, 18 new bridges, 60 kilometres of new train track and three new stations. Stuttgart's terminus will be transformed into an underground through-station – requiring a dramatic re-landscaping of the Schlossgarten.

The Police Union issued a statement appealing to protestors not to take their anger with the project out on police.

“It has been known for a long time that part of the park will be affected during the building project,” union boss Konrad Freiberg said. “If the opponents cannot win the political argument, they have to accept that. Such a project will not be settled in violent conflicts with the police.”


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This Spiegel article is particularly anti-Merkel on the subject.

10/01/2010
Stuttgart 21 Protests

Merkel's Water Cannon Politics

A Commentary by Roland Nelles

The battle over the rebuilding of the central train station in Stuttgart, Germany, has escalated massively. Angela Merkel has pushed strongly for the project this week, and the harsh response by police to protesters could come back to haunt both the chancellor and her party.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently announced that this will be an "autumn of decisions." Merkel's policies will be clear, and her government will be getting down to business after a year of regional elections and coalition infighting.

Part of this new line includes the chancellor's support for the "Stuttgart 21" project in the capital of the state of Baden-Württemberg, where officials are spending billions in state and federal government money to convert the city's terminus train station into an underground through station as well as connecting it with a high-speed rail link to Ulm. For Merkel, the project is a symbol of Germany's "future viability." With the project, Stuttgart is supposed to get connected to the European Union's "Magistrale for Europe" project, which envisions a high-speed railway line that stretches from Paris to Bratislava, Slovakia. Merkel doesn't want to see any wavering or hesitation.

But now her autumn of decision has become a season of water cannons. Merkel's party, the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), also governs in the state of Baden-Württemberg. Now it is under the leadership of her party that the truncheons are flying and the pepper spray is being sprayed. Whether she wants it or not, Merkel is also responsible for this development.

Yes, she has attempted to deescalate the situation. She says she hopes the injured will recover well. But she hasn't said that the police's harsh deployment of water cannons and pepper spray against the protesters was a disproportionate response.

A New Merkel, with New Risks

And that is a new approach for the chancellor, who seems to have departed from her old style. The old Angela Merkel was the perfect embodiment of a cozy political style. She paid very close attention to images: Merkel in an anorak in front of an iceberg to highlight the dangers of global warming, Merkel smiling with Obama, Merkel waving on the deck of a boat. Behind each picture was her calculation that, in the new media-driven world, you must please everyone. One shouldn't offend anyone — that should be left to others.

It worked, but only to a certain extent. During the first year of her government coalition with the business friendly Free Democratic Party (FDP) and the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union, Merkel let things slide — the people, the media and the political leadership. But now Merkel is leading — and the water cannons are being fired up.

Now Merkel will be connected to other images: those of crying mothers and children, distraught teenagers with bumps on their heads from police cudgels, and trees being chopped down as part of Stuttgart 21's construction. The underlying message: The new Merkel is no longer trying to please everyone — now she's prepared to take a firm stance. But the scope of the risk of Merkel's new approach is also apparent: If unpopular decisions are made, the situation can escalate and, in the end, the clubs might start flying.

Decisiveness is a good thing. In Stuttgart, however, the CDU is overdoing it. The talk might be of de-escalation, but the facts speak of polarization. A mark of polarization is when there is always one section of the public that agrees with the policies of those doing the polarizing. But who is supposed to approve of this kind of brute-force politics? Merkel certainly won't. She will long have calculated that the mega-project in Stuttgart could end up also being extremely expensive for her politically. That spoils the fun.

And the vast majority of center-right voters in Germany's southwest will hardly welcome this sort of police action. In the past, many would have been happy to see long-haired students get their knuckles rapped during environmental protests, believing it served them right. But in Stuttgart on Thursday, it was middle-class schoolchildren, grandparents and lecturers who were getting beaten up and dragged away by the forces of the state.

These are by no means far-left activists who are against everything. Rather they are, at least in part, potential CDU voters. The police operation in Stuttgart could come back to haunt Merkel and her party in the state election there next spring.

Cudgels Are Symbols

Politics is also about symbols, and water canons and cudgels are symbols. Of course the state should be allowed to use them. It has the monopoly on violence, after all. But they also represent an autocratic policy. They belong to the young democracy that was the Federal Republic thirty years ago. Back then, the state preferred to use confrontation rather than consensus. The nuclear debate led to a radicalization on both sides, with the opponents sticking to their entrenched positions, refusing to listen to the other side or to employ reasonable arguments.

Are things returning to the bad old days? Hopefully not. In a modern state, it should be possible to conduct politics without resorting to water cannon. If things continue to escalate, then Stuttgart 21 could become a rallying cry for all those who enjoy rioting. And that's not a happy prospect.

Merkel, the physicist of power, has launched a new experiment. In Stuttgart it threatens to spin out of control.

Roland Nelles is SPIEGEL ONLINE's Berlin bureau chief.


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Green Party calls for nationwide protests against "Stuttgart 21" (Germany)

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This doesn't necessarily help the cause of the legitimate protestors. A false flag operation?

The Local

Greens call for national Stuttgart 21 protests

Published: 1 Oct 10 16:18 CET

Following Stuttgart 21 demonstrations that turned violent in Baden-Württemberg’s state capital, the environmentalist Green party on Friday called for nationwide protests against the controversial rail project.

“We Greens will demonstrate across the country to show our solidarity with the people of Stuttgart and make clear that we are with those who, against Stuttgart 21, stand for a different rail policy and want to assert their right to peaceful protest,” party co-leaders Claudia Roth and Cem Özdemir said in Berlin.

More than 100 people were reportedly injured in the southern city on Thursday as police turned water cannons and pepper spray on demonstrators, a choice Roth and Özdemir called unjustified and “brutal.”

According to the party leaders, the state’s government is attempting to discredit thousands of demonstrators who have been protesting against the controversial project peacefully for months through a strategy of “intimidation and criminalization.”

The duo also criticized members of the conservative Christian Democrats, including Baden-Württemberg’s Interior Minister Heribert Rech and Chancellor Angela Merkel, for their defense of the police operations and alleged attempts to criminalize the protestors.

Meanwhile, the leader of the Greens’ parliamentary group, Renate Künast, promised that they would clarify every detail of the clash between demonstrators and police after the party failed to get parliament to address the issue on Friday morning.

The €7-billion Stuttgart 21 project plans to make the city part of a 1,500-kilometer high-speed rail route across Europe. It will require 16 new tunnels, 18 new bridges, 60 kilometres of new train track and three new stations. Stuttgart's terminus will be transformed into an underground through-station — requiring a dramatic re-landscaping of the Schlossgarten.

The project has become increasingly unpopular among residents there, with protests growing larger and more intense as construction proceeds.


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Sorry to bust in on your whole anti-EU thing, but how come you're not railing against these people being "communists and leftists" like you always are doing about anything that happens here? Why is it OK to support these people over there and yet be so abusive to people who aren't rioting over here?

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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 2 07:03:27 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 2 04:08:50 2010.

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Better yet, how come this isn't on OTChat???

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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 2 07:03:56 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 2 07:03:27 2010.

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Wait, never mind.

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 12:06:48 2010, in response to Green Party calls for nationwide protests against "Stuttgart 21" (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 2 03:54:41 2010.

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Good for them, that BS is a waste of money that will destroy a uniquely historic train station.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 2 12:49:16 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 12:06:48 2010.

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Yeah, fuck progress. Who needs it?

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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 2 12:56:24 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 2 12:49:16 2010.

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Yeah... Give him a bottle of Moxie Soda.



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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 17:30:03 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 2 12:49:16 2010.

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Do you consider Madison Square Garden and the new Penn Station to be progress?

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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 2 17:44:40 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 17:30:03 2010.

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It was and is progress.

Not that I would call it the "Right Kind of Progress" but progress nonetheless.

Germany is not USA. They do not have endless socialist egalitarian bullshit. They decided to build a station and that is the end of it.
You want to stand in the way, they have ways to deal with people like you.

And if you want MORE of that HERE, just keep believing that Obama is going to save you and the country, because his kind of thinking leads directly to that kind of thinking. (Why the heck do you *think* he wands to shutdown or at least belittle Fox News and Talk Radio.

Truth is where you find it, and the White House is NOT it.



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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 18:25:12 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 2 17:44:40 2010.

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I'm getting mixed messages here, perhaps you should let one of the adults respond.

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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Oct 2 20:18:10 2010, in response to Green Party calls for nationwide protests against "Stuttgart 21" (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 2 03:54:41 2010.

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It does seem curious that they want to take the new build over (-11m) the S-Bahn platforms (-19m) rather than under them (about -30m). There must be some nasty vertical alignment issues somewhere for them to want to cause so much disruption with shallow construction (one thing virtually no-one is mentioning is that the underground Staatsgalerie Stadtbahn station, which includes a flying junction, will have to be completely rebuilt).

Then there are the design issues. Superficially, it doesn't exactly look very inspiring. It should probably win an award for bad green architecture. But more seriously, the eight long platforms don't seem to be a particularly good design for the inevitably high proportion of short regional trains with long dwell times, unless there is an intention to include non-platform tracks with crossovers to the platform tracks halfway along the platforms.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 2 20:31:08 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 2 07:03:56 2010.

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Heh. That was my point ... :)

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German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors "disproportionate"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 2 20:59:59 2010, in response to Police using *water cannons* against Stuttgar 21 protestors, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 1 01:26:44 2010.

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Der Spiegel summarizes the opinions across a number of other media outlets.

10/01/2010
The World from Berlin

Germany Shocked by 'Disproportionate' Police Action in Stuttgart

A hardline police operation against demonstrators protesting against a new railway station project in Stuttgart has shocked Germany, after more than 100 people were injured by tear gas and water cannon. German commentators argue that the police went overboard and warn of more violence to come.

The controversial Stuttgart 21 railway project has been the focus of increasing protests in recent months. But Thursday seemed to mark a turning point as the conflict between the authorities and protesters escalated dramatically.

Around 600 police used water cannon, tear gas, pepper spray and batons in an operation against over 1,000 demonstrators in the southwestern city of Stuttgart on Thursday. The activists had tried to use a sit-down protest to prevent the city's Schlossgarten park from being cleared so that work could begin on felling trees in the park as part of construction work on the new station. Thursday's protests were attended by a broad cross-section of society, including pensioners and children.

The protest's organizers said in a statement that more than 400 protestors had suffered eye irritation as a result of the police's operation, with some suffering from lacerations or broken noses.

The German Red Cross said on Friday morning that 114 demonstrators had been treated on site, and a further 16 were taken to hospitals. Among the injured were school children who had been taking part in an officially registered demonstration.

Images of people bleeding from the eye after being hit by water cannon featured on German television and newspapers Friday. One 22-year-old protestor suffered a serious eye injury after being hit in the right eye by a water cannon jet, a Stuttgart doctor told the news agency DPA, adding that the man might lose his sight in that eye as a result.

The Stuttgart 21 project involves moving the city's main railway station underground and turning it from a terminus into a through station. The project is controversial partly because of its price tag — it is slated to cost €4.1 billion ($5.38 billion) — and because of the trees that will be cut down in the Schlossgarten park. There is also criticism that the project does not make sense from a transport point of view, as few main lines go through the city.

'Confusing Germany with Putin's Russia'

There has been a heated reaction to the police's use of force, which was condemned by members of the center-left Social Democrats, Green Party and the far-left Left Party, which are all in opposition on the national level. Jan Korte of the Left Party said that it was not acceptable that that kind of police action was used against pensioners and school students. The Green Party filed a motion to have the issue debated in the German parliament, the Bundestag, on Friday, but it was rejected.

Several politicians criticized Heribert Rech, the interior minister for the state of Baden-Württemberg, where Stuttgart is located, for allowing the operation to go ahead. National Green Party co-leader Cem Özdemir, who is also from the state, said Rech was "confusing Germany with Putin's Russia." It was disproportionate that "pepper gas was sprayed in the eyes of grandmothers and children at close range," he said. "We are in Germany. Such methods do not exist here."

The police have defended their actions. Rainer Wendt, who is the head of one of Germany's main police unions, told the news station N-tv that the police operation had been "not only legal but completely appropriate." He admitted that the pictures in the media "weren't pretty," but added: "That's not the police's job. Its job is to carry out its legal duty."

At a press conference Friday, Baden-Württemberg Governor Stefan Mappus defended the police's actions, saying "I stand behind our officers." He stressed the importance of the Stuttgart 21 project and called for a de-escalation in the conflict. "The images from yesterday cannot be allowed to repeat themselves," he said.

Rech, the Baden-Württemberg interior minister, also defended the police operation, saying that officers had been appalled by the aggression with which they were confronted.

Sensible and Right

Even German Chancellor Angela Merkel felt obliged to comment on Thursday's events. "I would like it if such demonstrations proceeded peacefully," she told the regional public broadcaster SWR, which broadcasts in the southwest of Germany. "Anything that could lead to violence has to be avoided." She defended the Stuttgart 21 project as sensible and right.

The escalation is likely to cause political problems for the state government, a coalition of Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the business-friendly Free Democratic Union. State elections will be held next March, and the Stuttgart 21 project is already a key campaign issue. The CDU has been in government in Baden-Württemberg for 57 years. If it were to lose the election, it would be a blow to the chancellor and her national government.

Construction work continued on the site on Friday under massive police protection, and the first trees in the park have now been cut down. But the next wave of conflict is not far off: Some 100,000 people are expected to take part in the next mass demonstration, which is planned for Friday evening.

On Friday, German commentators take a look at the police operation, with all agreeing it was disproportionate.

The Financial Times Deutschland writes:
Every political movement has its critical turning points. For the Stuttgart 21 opponents, this Thursday might have been one of them. The reaction of the activists and the state government will now determine whether the turning point will lead to even more violence and political frustration. Regardless of whether there were reasonable grounds for the brutal police action — the pictures and eyewitness reports suggest the contrary — it was extremely unwise politically. Perhaps Baden-Württemberg's government had hoped, with its uncompromising approach, to put a stop to the protests six months before the upcoming state election, to prevent Stuttgart 21 from becoming an issue in the election campaign. This hope, however, will be in vain.

The battle for Stuttgart 21 is becoming more like a religious war every day. The opponents and supporters of the project are irreconcilable. The two sides are no longer exchanging rational arguments but are engaging in mudslinging. In this kind of atmosphere, a tough approach will only lead to protesters deciding to dig in their heels.

It's true that the government is right to enforce law and order on its territory. That necessarily includes clearing an area that has been occupied by protesters, for which a building permit has been legally issued. But a democratic state must preserve a sense of moderation and try to protect its citizens as far as is possible. It is debatable whether this happened in Stuttgart.
The conservative Die Welt writes:
Deploying heavily armored riot police against students is reminiscent of the old days and old attitudes which are not exactly popular in Germany's liberal southwest. It is true that the protesters are trying to thwart a planning process that has been going on for 15 years, and thereby overturn the current position, which is legal and legitimate and was reached through democratic means. One can argue that the protesters are coming too late to the debate.

But even then, the use of state pressure and state force must remain proportionate. Not all the protesters are simply out to cause trouble. There are some among them who believe that the decisions about the project were not reached in a suitably democratic fashion. It is a sign of selfish impatience that they are nevertheless now trying to sabotage the start of construction. It is also a signal of a lack of effective communication when a state-level government believes it needs to resort immediately to force to prevent this kind of sabotage. The negotiations between the protesters and the project officials lasted less than a week, if that.
The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:
Bizzare images and sounds were transmitted live via a mobile webcam out of Stuttgart's Schlossgarten park on Thursday and beamed onto thousands of computer screens all over Germany. At first glance the images seemed familiar from … anti-nuclear protests in the past: Demonstrators sitting in the path of a police vehicle, police emerging dressed in absurdly war-like armour, wanting to clear the way for their colleagues and finally resorting to water cannons to do so. But (the images) didn't fit with what came out of the headphones. Not only were a considerable number of the demonstrators chanting "Wir sind das Volk" ("We are the people," a slogan associated with pro-democracy protesters in East Germany) but they also began singing the German national anthem — further evidence for the presence of a core conservative element in the protest movement. After all, what is at stake is the kind of thing that conservatives like to preserve: almost 300 trees — some of which are very old — and a city park threatened with being turned into a construction site.

The otherwise respectable citizens, who react to water cannons by singing the national anthem, see themselves as legitimate representatives of the nation and are in the process denying this role to those (authorities) who sent police into the park. Germany's conservatives no longer feel represented by local and national government.
— David Gordon Smith and Josie Le Blond


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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 2 21:31:15 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 18:25:12 2010.

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It started as sarcasm, (your sarcasm detector my need a new battery) and ended with a slam at Obama.

That seems pretty straight forward to me.



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Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate''

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Oct 2 21:55:15 2010, in response to German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors "disproportionate", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 2 20:59:59 2010.

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The otherwise respectable citizens, who react to water cannons by singing the national anthem

I hope they sang the first verse.

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Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 03:39:54 2010, in response to Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Oct 2 21:55:15 2010.

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Why, do you want them to be above you?

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 03:41:20 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 2 21:31:15 2010.

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Obama has nothing to do with this, so why did you bring him up?

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 03:45:20 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 2 12:06:48 2010.

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That's my POV too. There are other ways to do rail improvements around Stuttgart.

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Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate''

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Oct 3 09:22:26 2010, in response to Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 03:39:54 2010.

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I don't: it's just the amusement value of pissing off all the self-righteous types who think that it was the nationalism and not the socialism that was to blame for the evils of national socialism. I'd actually rather they sang Der reichste Fürst (a song about Eberhard im Bart).

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Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:29:47 2010, in response to Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Oct 3 09:22:26 2010.

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it's just the amusement value of pissing off all the self-righteous types who think that it was the nationalism and not the socialism that was to blame for the evils of national socialism

It was both and more. Think orb, scepter and crown.

I'd actually rather they sang Der reichste Fürst

Not because it sounds like La Marseillaise in one part?

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:34:00 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by LRG5784 on Sat Oct 2 07:03:56 2010.

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He asked the wrong question, anyway, never mind showing a particular lack of understanding of what I'm talking about when it goes on in politics over there. Nothing wrong with German people, i.e. so far as they don't allow the elite to lead them by the nose. And these people are most definitely not allowing that. Jersey Mike's comparison to NY Penn is accurate to a point, apart from the lack of protest here and the police not using water cannons to protect the demolition thereof.

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 3 14:04:55 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 2 04:08:50 2010.

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Is the Green Party in Germany like the American one where it's just about La Raza?

oh wait, n/m

Seig Hiel!

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Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 3 14:10:24 2010, in response to Re: Green Party calls for nationwide protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' (Germany), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 3 14:04:55 2010.

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I guess the Germans haven't yet been beaten down into malleable compliance like over here. We're GOOD little sheep ... German citizens, not so. They don't have a PATRIOT act ... yet.

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Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate''

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Oct 3 14:11:41 2010, in response to Re: German media calls police action against Stuttgart 21 protestors ''disproportionate'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 3 12:29:47 2010.

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"I'd actually rather they sang Der reichste Fürst"

Not because it sounds like La Marseillaise in one part?


Yes. That should have been a hint to Swabians and other southern Germans which side they should be on in 1870. But to be fair, the French had decided that they were Partant pour la Syrie by then.

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Rüdiger Grube (Deutsche Bahn CEO) shows totalitarian attitude towards Stuttgart 21 protestors

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 4 01:07:58 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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On one hand, he says that the project's the right thing from a "democratic standpoint", and then declares the parliament autocratic in the next sentence. This guy's got to go.

The Local (Deutsche Presse Agentur)

Bahn CEO hits back at Stuttgart 21 opposition

Published: 3 Oct 10 11:43 CET

Deutsche Bahn CEO Rüdiger Grube took aim at Stuttgart 21 opponents in a commentary published Sunday, arguing that resistance to the rail construction project, which has sparked massive protests in recent weeks, is not justified.

In a guest opinion piece for Bild am Sonntag, the head of Germany's national rail provider said Stuttgart 21 was legitimate from a democratic standpoint and rejected opponents' "right to resist" the project.

"In our country, parliaments decide, no one else," Grube wrote, drawing a parallel German to reunification.

"On the 20th anniversary of our national unity, it's worth remembering what the brave people in East Germany were fighting for: for democracy and the rule of law," he said. "What does that have to do with the Stuttgart 21 rail project? A lot!"

In a counter-commentary to Grube's statements, Green party co-leader Cem Özdemir said improvements to Germany's rail system should be pursued in "intelligent and economically sensible" ways, "not à la Stuttgart 21."

Özdemir said the true costs and risks associated with the project were still unknown when it received parliamentary approval. "Now the real facts are increasingly coming to light," he wrote, calling for construction to stop until a public referendum can be held.

A day after police used water cannons and pepper spray on demonstrators staging Stuttgart 21 protests on Thursday, reportedly leaving more than 100 people injured, the Green party called for nationwide protests against the controversial project.

The project has become increasingly unpopular among residents in Baden-Württemberg's state capital, with demonstrations growing larger and more intense as construction proceeds.

The €7-billion project aims to make the city part of a 1,500-kilometre high-speed rail route across Europe. Stuttgart's terminus will be transformed into an underground through-station — requiring a dramatic re-landscaping of the Schlossgarten.

In an interview with Germany's Welt am Sonntag published on Sunday, Baden-Württemberg's state premier Stefan Mappus said failing to move forward with Stuttgart 21 would constitute a setback for the state's infrastructure.

"We would lose a unique chance to connect Stuttgart to the international high-speed network," he said.


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Re: Rüdiger Grube (Deutsche Bahn CEO) shows totalitarian attitude towards Stuttgart 21 protestors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 4 01:18:31 2010, in response to Rüdiger Grube (Deutsche Bahn CEO) shows totalitarian attitude towards Stuttgart 21 protestors, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 4 01:07:58 2010.

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Hope you realize that your attempts to recruit people to go bomb Germany for you isn't going to work over here either. :)

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Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against "Stuttgart 21" [Germany])

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 10 16:57:39 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Might be one of the things that up-ends Merkel's coalition, ironically, even more than unemployment, Afghanistan or other issues. And it looks like the Greens are indeed taking advantage.

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German Railway Controversy Sends Angela Merkel Off Track

By Tristana Moore / Berlin
Friday, Oct. 08, 2010
When an image of Dietrich Wagner, a 66 year-old pensioner, was beamed across Germany on September 30, the ongoing protests in Stuttgart against a controversial railway project took on a more troubling dimension. Wagner was one of thousands of protesters — a mix of environmental campaigners, middle-class locals and students — who took to the streets to demonstrate against "Stuttgart 21" — a multi-billion-dollar plan to reconstruct the city's train station. The peaceful rally quickly degenerated into violence. Police used water cannons and pepper spray to clear a park where activists had gathered, injuring more than 100 people, including young children; other protesters who had chained themselves to a fence claimed police had beaten them and sprayed them with tear gas. And, perhaps most worrying for city officials, a photographer snapped a picture of Wagner with blood streaming from his eyes. With one photo a regional dispute over an unpopular building project instantly transformed into a national issue — and the political repercussions are now reverberating all the way to Berlin.

Chancellor Angela Merkel and her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) are feeling the shock waves the most. The party faces a key regional election in the state of Baden-Württemberg, which counts Stuttgart as its capital, next March. The region has been a conservative stronghold since 1953, but recent polls suggest support for the CDU is eroding fast — and the ongoing protests are only speeding the decline. The current CDU governor, Stefan Mappus, is a staunch supporter of the scheme and defended the recent police action, claiming officers were confronted with stone-throwing protesters. Surveys now show that a new coalition of the Greens and Social Democrats could rout his government in the March vote.

For Merkel, that would be a bitter pill to swallow. With her center-right coalition lagging behind the opposition Social Democrats and Greens at the federal level, Merkel made the uncharacteristic move of sticking her neck out and throwing her weight behind the "Stuttgart 21" project. On Sep. 15, Merkel told lawmakers in the Bundestag that the state election on March 27 would "be a referendum for the people on the future of Baden-Württemberg, the 'Stuttgart 21' project and many other projects which will stand for the future of this country."

Analysts say Merkel's decision to back the rail scheme could return to haunt her. "Chancellor Merkel was under pressure from her conservative party to support the rail project but it may be a big mistake," says Gerd Langguth, professor of political science at the University of Bonn. "If the conservatives lose the election in Baden-Württemberg, it'll be a heavy blow to Chancellor Merkel and will seriously undermine her credibility." Langguth says that many core conservative voters have taken part in the demonstrations in Stuttgart, part of a "growing public dissatisfaction with mainstream politics and politicians."

The demonstrations have been gathering momentum for weeks. Under the plans — which have been in the pipeline since 1988 — the historic railway station in Stuttgart will be partly destroyed to make way for a new underground rail interchange which, advocates claim, will provide better links to high-speed rail lines, create thousands of new jobs and transform the provincial city into a major transport hub. But supporters have been outnumbered by demonstrators who have vented their anger ever since demolition work started this summer. The protesters argue the public wasn't properly consulted over the $5.7 billion plan — an expense they see as extravagant at a time when Germans are being asked to tighten their belts. "This is a hugely expensive project — some experts say the costs may reach $25 billion — for a useless rail station which no one wants and no one needs," says Matthias von Herrmann, an anti-Stuttgart 21 campaigner.

There are environmental concerns, too. "Around 300 trees, some dating back 200 years, are under threat if they destroy the park, the Schlossgarten, next to the rail station — it's an environmental disaster and the public has been steamrollered," von Herrmann says. Environmental campaigners have written an open letter to Chancellor Merkel urging her to stop the project, while opposition parties have called for a referendum on the issue. National opinion is stacked against Merkel: an Oct. 7 survey found that 54% of Germans oppose the Stuttgart rail scheme. (See pictures of China's high-speed rail.)

Any hopes of a deal now rest on the aged shoulders of 80 year-old Heiner Geissler, a veteran conservative and former secretary general of the CDU; the governor of Baden-Württemberg has appointed him mediator in the dispute. With all sides digging in for a long fight, it's a thankless task. Geissler ruffled a few feathers when he announced on Oct. 7 that construction work would be suspended while talks between rail officials, government representatives and protesters were under way. But government officials were quick to point out that the project remained on course, and the building work would continue. Rüdiger Grube, the boss of Germany's rail operator, Deutsche Bahn, who's reported to be under 24-hour police protection after receiving death threats, has denied any knowledge of a temporary stop to building. As for the protesters, they're in a feisty mood: campaigners have warned they will stage another big demonstration on Oct. 9 which is expected to draw thousands of angry residents to downtown Stuttgart. Chancellor Merkel faces an uphill battle if she wants to get the CDU in Baden-Württemberg back on track.


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Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany])

Posted by Fytton on Mon Oct 11 05:43:09 2010, in response to Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against "Stuttgart 21" [Germany]), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 10 16:57:39 2010.

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This is fascinating, both politically and as regards rail operating concepts. Many large cities around the world are served by termini rather than through stations, and the idea of making them into through stations by buiding tunnels under the city centres has to be a good one in priciple. It makes train services faster and more cost-effective to run.

This was done in Brussels many years ago and works well there, and - more relevantly to the Stuttgart controversy - has also been done successfully in Berlin recently, with the opening of the new Hauptbahnhof. But neither of these involved demolishing an existing historic station building or sacrificing a park, and neither occurred at a time of severe cuts in public expenditure generally.

Circumstances alter cases. It looks as if Stuttgart (a city I've never visited, so I'm just going on the media reports) may well be a case where application of the general priciple is inappropriate.

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Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany])

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 11 09:46:15 2010, in response to Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany]), posted by Fytton on Mon Oct 11 05:43:09 2010.

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This was done in Brussels many years ago and works well there, and - more relevantly to the Stuttgart controversy - has also been done successfully in Berlin recently, with the opening of the new Hauptbahnhof. But neither of these involved demolishing an existing historic station building or sacrificing a park, and neither occurred at a time of severe cuts in public expenditure generally.

Actually, they completely demolished both Brussels termini when they constructed the North-South Link. But this was 1949-52, and people were a lot less appreciative then of railway architecture of a certain age. The old Nord was a nicely-proportioned Second-Empire-style building. The old Midi was something else, a massive Neo-Classical monumental thing that looked like a very Francophone take on the old Euston. There are some pictures at the bottom of this page.

Circumstances alter cases. It looks as if Stuttgart (a city I've never visited, so I'm just going on the media reports) may well be a case where application of the general priciple is inappropriate.

Well, it is quite hard to think of plausible through routes via Stuttgart other than the France to Munich one. The line would not be quicker to Munich from anywhere north of Mannheim. It might make more sense to remove these reversals by stopping the few international trains that aren't terminating at Stuttgart-Hbf at Stuttgart-Bad Canstatt or Stuttgart-Nordbf instead (i.e. what happens in Tours and Orléans).

And the north-south routes through Stuttgart are generally very slow indeed:

Stuttgart-Zürich: 2h53, ~130 miles
Stuttgart-Würzburg (i.e. the nearest point on the HSR to Hamburg): 2h14, ~90 miles
Stuttgart-Nuremberg (for Berlin and Prague): 2h09/2h44 (alternate trains), ~130 miles

Perhaps they're building the HSR through Stuttgart the wrong way around!

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Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany])

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 11 11:23:02 2010, in response to Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany]), posted by Fytton on Mon Oct 11 05:43:09 2010.

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Comparing Berlin Hauptbahnhof with what's going on in Stuttgart is apples/oranges. There was no extant ornate station in Berlin to demolish, and the costs were very controlled.

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Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany])

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 11 11:24:12 2010, in response to Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany]), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 11 09:46:15 2010.

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Perhaps they're building the HSR through Stuttgart the wrong way around

I think that may be the case indeed. This is one oversized political football, never mind overpriced and in assault of architecture without any need whatsoever.

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Mediator announces beginning of talks over "Stuttgart 21"

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 15 09:04:10 2010, in response to Big protests against reconstruction of Stuttgart station (Germany), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 14 01:02:18 2010.

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Dunno what will come of it. This project is genuine "pork barrel".

The Local (Deutsche Press-Agentur)

Mediator announces first Stuttgart 21 talks

Published: 15 Oct 10 09:06 CET

Mediated talks over the controversial Stuttgart 21 rail project will begin on Friday in the southern German city. The two sides agreed on the first official meeting on Thursday night.

Heiner Geißler, a veteran CDU politician brought in to mediate between the project leaders and demonstrators, has said that construction on the multi-billion-euro infrastructure project will be halted during talks until November, news magazine Der Spiegel reported.

Opponents of the expensive overhaul of Stuttgart's main train station had demanded a stop to construction as a prerequisite for talks.

On Friday morning Geißler plans to gather seven Stuttgart 21 leaders and seven opponents for a private meeting, he said. Subsequent meetings will be publicly broadcast online.

“With this we’re opening a totally new way of citizen participation,” Geißler said, adding that it would bring more transparency and credibility to the country’s parliamentary democracy.

Baden-Württemberg’s conservative state premier Stefan Mappus welcomed the talks.

“It is good that project proponents and opponents can discuss the topic,” he said. “The dialogue can now begin. That means everything and everyone at the table.”

Mappus also said he still hoped to convince the public of the value of the project.

Stuttgart 21 is a massive undertaking to make the city part of a 1,500-kilometre high-speed rail route across Europe. It will require 16 new tunnels, 18 new bridges, 60 kilometres of new train track and three new stations. Stuttgart's terminus will be transformed into an underground through-station — requiring a dramatic re-landscaping of the city centre.

In recent weeks demonstrations against the project have intensified, coming to a head two weeks ago when more than 100 protestors were injured as police turned water cannons, batons, and tear gas on the crowd to break up their blockade of the construction site.


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