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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 29 10:41:49 2010, in response to WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jun 29 09:43:14 2010. What riders won't post to Twitter are things like my trip on Metrorail yesterday. The train came without hardly any waiting (I had just missed one). I got on the Red Line at about 5 PM at Union Station and the train was not overly crowded, all seats taken and a few standees (first car of an 8 car train). Trip took the usual amount of time though we were held by central at Van Ness or Tenleytown. A/C worked. I have no complaints.Give us a break from relaying "news" from Twitter. No one posts to Twitter when their commute goes well. Eliminate all the posts about anyone caught up in the Red Line suicide mess. Then, ignore all the hypocrites who think that somehow WMATA should improve its service with no money (i.e. decrease fares). See how many posts are left. Oh, and actually get WMATA its dedicated funding source, experience with other systems show that once WMATA were to have one, things should improve significantly. Where were all these people (including you) when WMATA started clamoring for one 10 years ago? |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 13:50:24 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 29 10:41:49 2010. The people of Washington are so spoiled. They complain about every little service disruption in the WMATA. People from other cities wish their transit systems was half as good as the Metro. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 29 14:01:17 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 13:50:24 2010. You really aren't helping things here... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 29 14:05:22 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 29 10:41:49 2010. OTOH, some of us born and raised in DC elected once 'of age' never to live in that climate again other than an occasional fall visit to the relatives.WMATA riders should note that transit agencies from coast to coast are in deep financial trouble as operating costs are skyrocketing while funding is shrinking. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 14:06:50 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 29 14:05:22 2010. WMATA riders should note that transit agencies from coast to coast are in deep financial trouble as operating costs are skyrocketing while funding is shrinkingThank you. The WMATA is doing all they could with the limited financial resources they have. At least they didn't cut service like other agencies. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 29 14:12:03 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 14:06:50 2010. They have been shrinking the bus services for years. And the recent suggestion of a second surcharge for all of the downtown destination stations is a real middle finger to transit users. It is long past time for the Feds to wake up and appropriate funding for operations not just pass through to vendors/contractors as is now the case. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 14:16:40 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 29 14:12:03 2010. It's not the WMATA's fault that the government would rather spend money on two unnecessary wars than the country's infrastructure. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 29 14:48:57 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 14:16:40 2010. no argument there. However, the SF Bay Area Metropolitan Transportation Commission (the designated MPO) recently released a doomsday study showing that essentially ALL transit in the region is headed toward the cliff because labor costs are rising at an unsustainable rate. The biggest jumps in these costs are, (drumroll) defined benefit contributions AND healthcare. Since we LOST the battle for meaningful and cost saving healthcare, no early remedies are clear. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jun 29 19:30:39 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 14:16:40 2010. Just the WMATA? What about the other transit agencies? What should they do when they have no money either? Service cuts are a necessary evil. It's that or a sharp increase for fares. |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Wed Jun 30 08:26:43 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 13:50:24 2010. If it's one thing I can't stand it's constant complainers |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 08:44:40 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jun 29 19:30:39 2010. WMATA's problem is that they got greedy wanting a fare increase. If they didn't do rush hour fares already and have really long peak hours (6:00-9:00 and 3:30-6:30 would be ideal), peak-of-the-peak wouldn't be a non-factor. Add to that wanting to add surcharges to certain stations for improvements and it's just gouging customers.Why Metro hasn't pressured riders to pressure Annapolis and Richmond for dedicated funding considering that both would be screwed without their closest suburbs to DC amazes me. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 30 08:48:06 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jun 29 13:50:24 2010. Big difference: The NY MTA system has a lot of redundancies. Systems in most other cities do not have those redundancies. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 08:48:47 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Wed Jun 30 08:26:43 2010. And DC has them in constant supply. I will admit that WMATA can handle things a bit better than they currently do and the fact that a lot of WMATA's infrastructure is aging fast (10% of escalators broken, 5% of cars with broken AC, several underground stations with broken AC) doesn't help matters.Case in point: train malfunctioned this morning in AM rush at Judiciary Square towards Shady Grove. I was on the first train that got out when it got cleared (after a nearly 20 minute wait at Farragut North). For some reason, the train held at Cleveland Park and Van Ness for brief periods, then held for 6 minutes at Tenleytown so "the trains behind us could catch up". Would this ever happen in any other city with a two-track setup? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 30 08:54:01 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 29 14:01:17 2010. And you missed your calling. You should work for WMATA's public relations department since you think they can do no wrong. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 30 09:03:54 2010, in response to WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jun 29 09:43:14 2010. That's the result of not having at least some redundancy in your system. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 09:07:07 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 30 09:03:54 2010. And how does that differ from Boston, Philly (MFL), Chicago, Atlanta, and the Bay Area? |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 09:22:08 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 30 09:03:54 2010. There are issues with WMATA which having redundancy wouldn't solve. The Red Line is to the point that there are too many trains and it's not uncommon for trains to be held because there's a train in the next station. At the peak of rush hour, it becomes a conga line of trains snaking through the system.Some of the other judgment moves of train operators are out there. A couple weeks ago, it took 15 minutes to get from Takoma to Brookland on a clear, sunny day at the end of PM rush because the operator insisted on stopping cold and waiting until a train on the other track passed by. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 09:37:50 2010, in response to WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jun 29 09:43:14 2010. I love the complains about the A/C! None of SEPTA's Stations at the platform level have A/C if I'm not mistaken. I know that people on the MFL would LOVE to have a/c at least once in a while, especially at the Market Street Subway Stations like 11th Street.Actually, as late as 1999, the MFL was running trains without a/c at all! Things do seem to be faltering a bit in the WMATArail system, though. It still doesn't make it the worst system in the world, though. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 09:38:56 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 09:07:07 2010. I can't speak for the other areas, but Philadelphia has plenty of redundancy in the subway system. Unfortunately, it's essentially in the form of buses, rather than rail. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 30 11:59:16 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 09:37:50 2010. Thank you. WMATA riders complain about things riders in other systems wish they had. For example, if a station had a broken elevator then Metro riders would bitch about it, even if the next station had a working elevator. However, there are many systems that aren't ADA compliant. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 30 12:01:21 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 09:22:08 2010. If trains went fast and there was another crash then people would scapegoat the WMATA. The Red line is the busiest line so it will have the most service. Sometimes there's minor congestion but it's not a major problem. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 30 12:03:32 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 30 08:54:01 2010. The WMATA has flaws, but it's not as profound as some people claim. In my 25 years I've used subway systems in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and DC. The system in DC is the best one that I've used. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:00:48 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 09:22:08 2010. A couple weeks ago, it took 15 minutes to get from Takoma to Brookland on a clear, sunny day at the end of PM rush because the operator insisted on stopping cold and waiting until a train on the other track passed by.And how do you know that there wasn't some other extenuating circumstance? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:03:50 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 08:44:40 2010. Got greedy? They conducted a survey and pretty much gave the riders what they asked for. Did you take the survey? You said you wrote a letter to the public record but you aren't willing to post it, so let's see where you stand on these issues.You want to have it both ways. You want WMATA to fix what it has and improve service, but you aren't willing to pay for it. It doesn't work like that. Pay up now for improvements, or things remain as they are or get worse. The option you want isn't available. WMATA has encouraged its riders to write their legislators to get more funding, but how many people do you think actually do that? Have you? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:04:10 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 30 08:54:01 2010. Me or Forest Glen? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:06:11 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 08:48:47 2010. then held for 6 minutes at Tenleytown so "the trains behind us could catch up".If other cities don't do it, they should. Perhaps you shouldn't have spent 6 minutes at one place (there could have been another incident somewhere) but restoring the regular headway is important for reestablishing reliable service for subsequent passengers. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:07:50 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 09:38:56 2010. Buses are better than nothing. It has often been pointed out that buses duplicating Metrorail routes are cut as soon as Metrorail opens, so there are many corridors where if the rail line is down or delayed, customers have no choice but to stay on the train. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 13:32:59 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:03:50 2010. Many people don't get this simple concept. They believe that their fare not only adequately covers the cost of service, but gives the agency some sort of profit!In other thread, where people wanted additional Regional Rail service to various branches instead of having a centralized garage built, I directly asked them if they were willing to pay for more service. With 2 exceptions, I basically got a huge run around about how wasteful SEPTA is and how we need to tax the drivers, etc. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 13:38:01 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jun 29 19:30:39 2010. This trend will continue to happen until the transit funding issue is fixed. The old federal transportation reauthorization bill has expired months ago, and instead of making sure that a new one has been put into place, that should immensely help struggling agencies, it has been put on hold until at least the end of this year, if not next year as well.People need to look at a good transportation system (this includes roads and such too!) as an important necessity. The problem is that when people started looking towards transit, the agencies weren't able to keep up with the additional expenses (fuel, soon electricity) and the declining revenue (both subsidy and farewise) really hurt the agencies. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 14:47:46 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 13:38:01 2010. And I thought Obama would've been a friend for transit. Instead agencies have gotten obscene headaches under his term and it's making my want to vote Democrat in 2012 less likely.Transit Doomsday never happened under Dubya. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 15:05:26 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:03:50 2010. They conducted a survey and pretty much gave the riders what they asked for.I'd love to meet these mythical riders who wanted a rush hour surcharge on top of already high peak hour fares. If peak hour fares are so good, why hasn't anyone (even BART) tried it? Did you take the survey? Yes I did. And I said that if fares had to go up it should be balanced (i.e. no more cheap ride for Metrobus) that they should go up within reason and that it might be time to reevaluate what Metrorail is. You want to have it both ways. You want WMATA to fix what it has and improve service, but you aren't willing to pay for it. It doesn't work like that. If it worked like that, a lot more cities would be well above $2 in one-way fares or doing rush hour surcharges. The option I want is available in New York, Philly, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, pretty much everywhere but DC. WMATA has encouraged its riders to write their legislators to get more funding, but how many people do you think actually do that? Have you? I think getting all of the WMATA compact jurisdictions to become their own state would be easier than to get Annapolis/Richmond to realize they would be screwed without the DC suburbs and to give them fair funding. But that's just the cynical "all non-federal government is crooked" ex-Upstate New Yorker in me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 30 15:24:31 2010, in response to WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jun 29 09:43:14 2010. You can't send a robot to do a man's job! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 15:34:02 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 15:05:26 2010. Peak of the Peak is one of the first recommendation of the Riders Advisory Committee at the April 29 meeting of the WMATA Board Finance Committee: See http://wmata.com/about_metro/board_of_directors/board_docs/042910_RevisedBudgetDiscussion.pdfI can't find a specific board document or press release with the survey results, but it seems to have been supported (or at least it wasn't opposed) or else the board probably would have nixed it. I wrote a long detailed post on another board that I know you read about why peak of the peak deserved a fair chance. Your primary response to that thread seems to have been to create a new thread with a loaded survey question and equally loaded survey responses that would get answers you wanted to hear, and to respond to another poster who seemed to conveniently ignore the entire part of my post about potential equity issues or the lack thereof. Despite what you claim, the idea of peak pricing for subways has been tossed around many times in the past. I didn't mention this explicitly in that post, but the idea of peak of the peak type charging was proposed for New York City in the 1950s by a Columbia University economics professor (who happens to have been born in Canada) who is considered to be the "father of road pricing" and schemes such as the Congestion Pricing Scheme in London are generally credited to him). The idea was dismissed by the Board of Estimate or whoever had oversight on such matters on account of not wishing to acquire the technology to implement such a system and fears of the cost in trying to do so, even though the report advocating charging a higher rush hour fare indicated that doing so could ultimately result in a savings for the amount of money required to collect the fares compared to the present system at that time. I'm still waiting for you to share your letter to the board with the rest of us, or for a response to the PM I sent you on another message board where I ask several other questions about how you came to conclusions about topics you brought up. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 30 21:34:23 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:04:10 2010. I would say both of you.Metro wasn't that great back in the day when I lived in D.C. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 22:00:37 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jun 30 14:47:46 2010. Honestly, I believe the latest federal reauthorization bill was 2 years late under Dubya's term as well, which really affected the Job Access Reverse Commute funding method, making it very difficult to keep job access services, funded with these grant, operating despite their success.Obama has been more of a friend to transit than Bush ever was. Although it seems like money is being printed like there's no tomorrow, he has authorized numerous grants (stimulus) that has helped to update fleets and take care of very important and well-needed projects that have been put off for YEARS. The problem is the recession. Nobody has any money as many people are unemployed; therefore you can't get taxes from those who aren't working and have to dish out unemployment money. It's a vicious cycle, unfortunately. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 30 22:05:35 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 30 21:34:23 2010. incorrect |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 1 05:04:32 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 30 13:04:10 2010. you |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 1 09:07:53 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 30 21:34:23 2010. And it has only gone downhill. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 10:28:45 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 30 12:03:32 2010. I concur. I lived through the NYC subway hell of the 1970s and 80s. In any month back then, I lost more time to delays than I have all told over the 19 years I have lived here.Metro is handicapped by a lack of capacity versus phenomenal growth in ridership. When the system was designed 50 years ago, it was intended to be nothing more than a fancy shuttle system to bring government workers to and from downtown. Period. No one at the time envisioned or considered the transformation of the District from a sleepy, company town to a major destination city at the center of a major metropolitan area. So Metro ended up as a two-track system with no means of handling more trains to accommodate the dramatically higher ridership. Getting ATO/ATC back up and running will certainly help somewhat for the short term. (And WTF is it that after all this time Metro's TOs can't figure out how to run a train smoothly in manual? NYC did it for decades before Metro opened.) What is really needed, though, is more capacity in the form of both heavy and light rail to support existing routes, as well as new routes that enable "crosstown" (both E-W and N-S) travel that isn't via downtown. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 1 10:39:35 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 1 05:04:32 2010. You should try reading my posts more carefully sometime and see what I actually say. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 1 10:43:34 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 10:28:45 2010. They're building a new streetcar route in downtown DC. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 1 11:10:44 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 30 09:38:56 2010. Yeah, but if the MFL is down, at least the western half has the 21; I'm not sure what the eastern end has.The BSL has the C, 2, 17, and other routes as well. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Jul 1 11:23:13 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 10:28:45 2010. No one at the time envisioned or considered the transformation of the District from a sleepy, company town to a major destination city at the center of a major metropolitan area.I think many people couldn't have visioned this even 20 years ago, back when Gallery Place was seedy, Columbia Heights was a ghetto, U Street was an open-air drug market, etc. etc. Now look at the development in those areas and even areas not near Metro (Bloomingdale/Eckington, H Street NE, etc.). If the economy ever recovers, add Navy Yard to that list outside of baseball games. So Metro ended up as a two-track system with no means of handling more trains to accommodate the dramatically higher ridership. Outside of NYC, Philly's BSS, and part of the Red Line in Chicago, every system is two-tracks. If systems built a lot earlier, under much cheaper labour laws, had only two tracks, what would've made Metro to have wanted more? Proof that Metro is bursting at the seams: A rider revolt took place in 1999 when ATO was shut down for repairs for over a year. At that point, the all-time mark crossed 600,000 a day. Today, 600,000 is a mark that would be seen on a VERY bad weekday even after the post-crash declines and lower gas prices. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 1 11:29:37 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 1 11:10:44 2010. The eastern side has the 3 (to Berks Street only) and the 5 to Market Street in Center City. It's definitely better than nothing. Of course, on Market Street in Center City, there are a variety of other routes to take.But even if the subway-elevated trains are down, SEPTA always provides emergency shuttle buses to transport people. It sure does help that our lines essentially follow very few specific streets with minimal turns. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 1 11:35:58 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Jul 1 11:23:13 2010. A rider revolt took place in 1999 when ATO was shut down for repairs for over a year.What event are you talking about? The Blue Line mutiny? That was caused by passengers at the height of tourist season refusing to get off a train where the doors wouldn't close properly. It had nothing to do with the suspension of automatic operation due to failing relays, which occurred at about the same time. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 11:52:06 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 1 10:43:34 2010. That is like adding another deck chair on the QE II. Light rail focused on downtown and sections on the east side of town does nothing to relieve the current situation on the west side. We need new service options that provide relief for overcrowding on the Red and Orange lines. In town, that could take the form of new LR service in dedicated ROW where necessary from downtown to areas people use the western Red Line to reach, such as up 16th and over Mass Av and P Street to Georgetown, Glover Park and AU.In rush hour, there is a huge volume of transfers between the 42, G2, D6, D2, 3x, Nx and the Red Line at Dupont...even though all except the D2 continue closer to downtown (or through it). Friendship Heights and Van Ness have similarly significant transfer volume. LR routes from Western Av or the AU area along Mass to, say, Union Station and another one from Friendship Heights down Wisconsin to P or M as well as the K Street corridor. These have the potential to take thousands of local daily riders off the Red Line. (One of the estimates used at a Metrobus improvement meeting for the D1/2/3/6 routes back in 2007 was the equivalent of 2 full 8-car trains used them to transfer at Dupont during peak...the G2, 37 and Nx were another 2-3 trains.) For the Orange line, LR from Falls Church along Lee Hwy and over the Key Bridge into an M Street or and/or Whitehurst/K Street routing. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 11:58:47 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 30 21:34:23 2010. I don't know when you were here but I would rate it as superb from when I got here in 1991 until around 2003. Since then, it has declined but it's still nowhere near what NYC was like. So a train or two has mechanical issues that require it be taken out of service during rush. Boo-flippin-hoo.As far as I'm concerned, people who bitch about how Metro sucks but are not actually leaning on their elected officials to provide dedicated, adequate funding to WMATA and address management issues need to STFU. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 1 12:16:01 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Jul 1 11:58:47 2010. As far as I'm concerned, people who bitch about how Metro sucks but are not actually leaning on their elected officials to provide dedicated, adequate funding to WMATA and address management issues need to STFU.IAWTP |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Jul 1 12:17:57 2010, in response to Re: WhineMATA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 1 12:16:01 2010. In a place with a heavy transient population, I think the number of people who actually know who their elected representatives are in the DC area is pathetically low. |
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