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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010   Source: http://mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/100426_1100_Transit.pdf |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 14:50:43 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. Interesting. Is the MTA offering this contract directly to Kawasaki instead of offering it up for bid by others? |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Apr 25 15:01:42 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. I love those 9 figure numbers spread all over the document...makes me wonder where all that $$$ will come from |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 25 15:13:09 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. Geat info, anything official on the long-rumored "R179"?? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 15:19:10 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 14:50:43 2010. That's the final order *after* bidding ... I wonder how they're going to pay for them? |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:25:20 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 15:19:10 2010. I wondered for how many more years Kawasaki is going to be making railcars for MTA when they've taken a 20% haircut right off the bat. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 15:27:23 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:25:20 2010. Given the conditions in Nihon right now, I suspect that they're still glad to have the work ... for now. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 25 15:27:41 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 15:19:10 2010. "I wonder how they're going to pay for them?"Now why would anyone wonder about a little thing like that? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 15:30:20 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:25:20 2010. Have you seen the state of the Japanese economy recently? They need the business. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:30:42 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 15:27:23 2010. I'm amused to see that they've put in a price escalation formula for options in case the same thing happens with R160 Option 2.Has there been any recent MTA rolling stock contract where options purchased earlier were not exercised? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 15:30:46 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Dan on Sun Apr 25 15:27:41 2010. No one in Albany will .... |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 25 15:39:49 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. There's your proff, right there. R-142A's to the (7) by 2011, and the R-62A's will go to the line that gave up the techs.Namely.... |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 15:42:42 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. It will not happen. The MTA has no money to do this. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sun Apr 25 16:07:12 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 25 15:39:49 2010. If this comes to pass, that should put to rest once & forall that the #7 will never see B division equiptment. |
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Posted by MGL on Sun Apr 25 16:24:05 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by fisk ave jim on Sun Apr 25 16:07:12 2010. Why on earth would anyone entertain the thought that the 7 line would receive B div rail-cars.Michael |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 16:26:55 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 14:50:43 2010. I believe the RFP box was X'd |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 16:27:41 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 16:26:55 2010. As was the competitive box |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 16:29:58 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 15:42:42 2010. Well this comes out of the Capital Budget so there might be some $$ there and they wouldn't place the order if no $$ notice also it is the Capital Budget ended last year too so who know what they'd do |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sun Apr 25 16:37:40 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. The US/Canada exchange rate's so bad that Bombardier isn't even bothering to bid? I wonder if there's other factors in play, too - they've been missing out on a lot of MTA action as of late, I wonder if they pissed someone off? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:50:03 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by nasadowsk on Sun Apr 25 16:37:40 2010. The M7 seemed to be pretty good cars, I would'nt be surprised if the MTA went back to them for the M9. Besides, Doesn't Bombardier own the design to the M7? In that other thread about the M9s it was posted that the M9 will basically be an M7 with updated components. IMO I think Bombardier will scope that M9 order up. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:52:27 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. Bummer, I wanted Bombardier to win this. Just for the sole fact that the TA would have to take cars from the 2/5 fleet for the (7), thus putting SMEEs on the (2) or (5) lines once again. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 16:55:20 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:50:03 2010. The MTA owns all designs IINM |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:56:14 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 25 15:39:49 2010. Its gonna be interesting to see R62A on the (6) again! Esp for the buffs who take pics that didn't have an camara in the 90s lol. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 17:06:50 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:30:42 2010. Not sure ... that's not something I've ever paid much attention to. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 25 17:08:16 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 15:42:42 2010. That never stopped them before ... :( |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:19:11 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by MGL on Sun Apr 25 16:24:05 2010. Actually, if the #7 was connected to 60 St Line at Queensboro Plaza, the only real issue would be the Flushing tunnel which might be B div specs for all I know. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:20:49 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:50:03 2010. IMO I think Bombardier will scope that M9 order upDidn't Kawasaki just do a design for the M8? |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sun Apr 25 17:25:29 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 17:19:11 2010. It was built to B div specs. IIRC all subways & el's built after 1920 were required to be built to the wider dimentions. |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sun Apr 25 17:50:11 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 25 15:39:49 2010. I would guess the 2 because then the west side would be all R62 and the east side would be all R142 |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Apr 25 18:07:13 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 15:42:42 2010. It's two different sets of money. They still have Capital Construction money. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Apr 25 18:09:06 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 25 15:39:49 2010. I can see them giving all the R142As to the the (7), transfer the (2)'s R142 fleet to the East Side and then we'll have an all R62 fleet on the West Side and all NTT on the East Side. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:13:48 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by fisk ave jim on Sun Apr 25 17:25:29 2010. If you see my post, you will see that per the PSC report of 1915, that was not the case. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:15:51 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:56:14 2010. It may not necessarily be the 6 that gets them. Since there are 2 services that run on the 6 and basically only one on the 2, it wouldn't surprise me if the R-62As go to the 2 and the R-142s are transferred to the 6. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:16:13 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. Well that pretty much can mean the 6 is getting the R62As back.I guess the trade off would be to view the 6 via the rfw. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:17:51 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 16:52:27 2010. Unless the R62As have digital signs at the front and the sides to change at the flip of a 'switch' for either the 2 or 5, that's never going to happen. And even if it was teh R142s from the 2/5 that is sent to Flushing, the 4 and/or the 6 will then have to give up their R142/As to keep the 2/5 all R142s. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:18:52 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:16:13 2010. If the R-62As go back to the mainline on any route, then the remaining single will probably be unitized and have the transverse cabs fitted. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:20:57 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:15:51 2010. Imo, I still kinda have to doubt the 2 because of the Flatbush terminal. But I would say it is most likely the 6 because the R62As have the LED signs that can change for local or express. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:21:37 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. One interesting thing to note is that there is a provision to have certain of the non cab cars converted to cab cars. The problem with that might be that the cab cars have symmetrical doors while the non cab cars have staggered doors like the redbirds possibly making installation of an operating cab difficult if not outright impossible. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 18:53:52 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:17:51 2010. Not really, my guess as others have said will have the westside be 62s and east side be 142s and theoretically it makes sense |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:57:56 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 18:20:57 2010. The difference is that on the 6 unlike the 7, the locals and expresses have 2 different terminals and even on the modified 62As, those signs can't be changed from the cab. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Sun Apr 25 19:25:49 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. OK, if the option is picked up for 123 more cars....Can someone explain to me if these cars (specifically the 88, I can understand the singles) are really needed? Is there a shortage in the A Div. that I'm not aware of? Where are you gonna store them? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:44:55 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:57:56 2010. Well that's true. Then again the 4 could be all R62As. I just don't know about R62As on the 2/5 lines because of that terminal - that's just one thing I can't get over.But I'm just one person. And I wouldn't be against R62As on the 2 though, it would be pretty neat and something different for a change. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:46:59 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 18:53:52 2010. Perhaps, but it's not like there's a mandate that bans older cars on the east side. The 2's yard is in the Bronx - so there's no influence on what trains have to be on the 2. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:48:00 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:18:52 2010. Hem, I am in favor or unitization. I hope it would be consecutive 5-car numbers than 'whatever they can find'. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:49:41 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by grimace1169 on Sun Apr 25 19:25:49 2010. Good point, this order will create a surplus of cars. Even with the Javits extension, it will still be more than enough cars. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 25 19:58:15 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:46:59 2010. No I agree just saying it makes sense to have the 2 sides be the same trains but personally it would be nice to have variety |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 25 20:23:15 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. I wonder how long it will take for the 62 singles to be converted to 5 car units. |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Sun Apr 25 20:31:14 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. 188's, eh? New kawasaki design right? All new and revolutionary. Pushing the envelope for the future! All blue cars for the ol' World's Fair line! Excellent. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 20:44:14 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 25 20:23:15 2010. Good question. What happens if one car has a lot more milage than another car in the set? Do they have to 'run up the milage' on the lower car to get them even or can they just link them all together when they find all 5 cars for the set?It was a shame imo, that they broke up the 2-car 'pairs' a few years ago. Now everything's back to random singles. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 25 21:01:32 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by fisk ave jim on Sun Apr 25 16:07:12 2010. Um, No.After we build the Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway, with its branch going out Northern Boulevard, the need for high capacity on the (7) will be diminished. Thus the (R) train, running through the 60th Street tunnel would serve it nicely, and could even live in the Corona Yard. This eliminates those two sharp curves by the bridge. The NEW route of the (7) would then come out of the S'way tunnel, follow LIE for a short way, picking up some new stops at some new Park and Rides, and then running express to Kennedy Airport via the Lower Montauk ROW and the old LIRR Rockaway ROW. The new and re-vitalized (W) train will serve Astoria to 9th Ave in Bklyn. (Local In Manhattan) The (N) would cover 71st Street via the 63rd Street Tunnel and the (Q) would do 125th Street ROAR |
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