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Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010

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Now apparently the 9 train will make a comeback and run to New Lots while the 1 and 3 will run to 14th street with the 2 and 9 making local stops from 96th to Chambers, all while they work on Cortlandt Street. We will see if this actually gets implemented.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Apr 10 13:01:49 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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14th won't be able to handle both the 1 and 3 since they can only use the SB track from the north.

Everything else makes sense, considering how the MTA is

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 13:23:54 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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Why would they need the 9 to comeback when the 1 could simply run to New Lots itself just like after 9/11. With the plan you mention, there would be major tie-ups at 96th St.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 13:23:54 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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Why would they need the 9 to comeback when the 1 could simply run to New Lots itself just like after 9/11. With the plan you mention, there would be major tie-ups at 96th St.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 10 13:29:33 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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Pay no mind to Crew Room Rumors...

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by joe c on Sat Apr 10 13:32:13 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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This rumor isn't new,it's been talked about at another forum.








til next time

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Apr 10 14:11:16 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 10 13:29:33 2010.

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Exactly....

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Sat Apr 10 14:15:00 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 13:23:54 2010.

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Exactly

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Union Turnpike on Sat Apr 10 14:47:26 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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The M.T.A. could do this this summer:

(1) West 242d Street to New Lots Avenue
(2) East 241st Street to Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College
(3) 148th Street to 14th Street
Shuttle Bus to South Ferry

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 15:27:22 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Union Turnpike on Sat Apr 10 14:47:26 2010.

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I'm wondering though, can't they just run all three West Side IRT routes to Brooklyn?

Have the 1 and 3 both run to New Lots, and keep the 2 and 3 express & the 1 local in Manhattan as normal.

The 2 and 3 combined don't run nearly as often as the 4 and 5 do during the busiest point of rush hour, so I'm sure there's some extra capacity in there somewhere to fit the 1. It would keep things flowing and not make anyone have to transfer at 14th St to keep going. And plus, with the planned service cuts and the new passenger loading guides, there will definitely be some space freed up on the 2/3 lines to include the 1 as well.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Apr 10 15:34:01 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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I am hoping that the "new" Cortlandt Street IRT will resemble the original 1918 one - although I'm not sure if there are any extant designs for the original tablets - the plaques and friezes have enough surviving examples in order to be recreated.

Do they have a planned finish date for this?

-wayne-


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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 10 15:56:31 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 13:23:54 2010.

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No more than there were prior to Feb 6, 1959 when the 1 has both a lcl and exp service and the 3 was the 7 Av lcl to So/Fy.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Apr 10 15:59:59 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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Not happening... at least like that....

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 16:17:38 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 10 13:29:33 2010.

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I don't, that's why I called it a rumor. I think what the guy mentioned is weird as well. I posted it on here to see what people here think.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 16:19:44 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 15:27:22 2010.

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There would be congestion going into Chambers on the express track with the 2 and 3 going in and the 1 switching from the local.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 16:20:19 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Apr 10 15:34:01 2010.

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Haven't read anything about that yet.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 10 16:21:38 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 16:19:44 2010.

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No worse than at Nostrand Jct where the 5 has to cross onto that small section of track 1 in front of the 2 and 3 to access Flatbush.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 16:36:51 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 16:19:44 2010.

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That's no worse than that G/O when the 4, 5 & 6 all share the local track and things usually seem to be running smooth. And the 1, 2 & 3 all run less frequently than the Lex lines.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Chipper10 on Sat Apr 10 18:46:21 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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My ideas:

Run the 3 train between Harlem/148th St & Times Square at all times but use middle track south of Times Square to turn back trains..

Run the 2 train as it is.

Extend the 1 train to New Lots Av replacing the 3 train, use the leftovers R62 from the 3 train to the 1 train for this extension.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 10 18:55:39 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Chipper10 on Sat Apr 10 18:46:21 2010.

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Interesting ideas-- does anyone know if the middle track south of Times Square has ever been used this way?

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 9 local on Sat Apr 10 19:08:10 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 10 18:55:39 2010.

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It's used that way every night to turn the 3 train back north.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by 9 local on Sat Apr 10 19:10:52 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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They can do work on Cortlandt Street without closing off the line. As someone who used to commute that way regularly, I've seen the layout down there.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Apr 10 20:41:43 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 10 15:56:31 2010.

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Yep, the old "7TH AV-LENOX LCL", as seen on the route signs on the early IRT SMEEs (I guess the R12/14/15s had that designation also, but I never scrolled through those signs (oops, did I type that out loud?)) LOL

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Apr 10 20:42:35 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 10 13:29:33 2010.

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Amen to that!!!! :-D

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Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:14:25 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Apr 10 15:34:01 2010.

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Or they re-do that station the way it was immediately prior to 9/11.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 23:19:11 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Apr 10 15:34:01 2010.

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I think we'll end up with a new Cortlandt St that looks plain and simple, like the new South Ferry because of the financial situation.

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:20:42 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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That would be a mistake:

As some have suggested, what should be done is this:

1 & 3 BOTH run to New Lots, with the 2 & 3 running as they normally do in Manhattan. That would be easier on everyone and until lower Manhattan re-opens give those in Brooklyn a little more service.

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Concourse Express on Sun Apr 11 00:16:43 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:20:42 2010.

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1 & 3 BOTH run to New Lots, with the 2 & 3 running as they normally do in Manhattan. That would be easier on everyone and until lower Manhattan re-opens give those in Brooklyn a little more service.

Sure, but how do you manage sending what amounts to 40-45 TPH peak service through the Clark St Tunnel without causing significant merging delays?

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Jeromeline on Sun Apr 11 01:38:12 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:20:42 2010.

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New Lots couldn't handle the traffic with just the 1 heading out there post 9/11. Besides the 1 service you also have 2,3,&5 service coming out of Livonia yard.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Jeromeline on Sun Apr 11 01:46:53 2010, in response to Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sat Apr 10 12:34:45 2010.

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So you're trying to tell us that the cash strapped MTA is going to redo a station that is in the middle of a construction pit, and no buildings set to open until, oh only God knows when.

I have heard the 1 was SUPPOSED to go to New Lots this summer because of construction at Ground Zero, but I think that has been put on old due to the tantrums between the Port Authority and Silverstein which just got resolved a couple of weeks ago.

I am pretty sure the change in service was for safety reasons above all else. It seems that nobody wanted to take the chance of a lawsuit if something went wrong. (equipment striking the "tube" or building materials falling on the "tube")

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Aq Arcticson on Sun Apr 11 02:40:35 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Jeromeline on Sun Apr 11 01:46:53 2010.

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Um, wasn't the Port Authority redoing the station for $150 M ?

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Jeromeline on Sun Apr 11 03:45:12 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Aq Arcticson on Sun Apr 11 02:40:35 2010.

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It seems that the PANY/NJ has to build "the associated foundation
walls between NYCT's 1 line and Church, Vesey, and Liberty Streets will be constructed ." as part of building the PATH terminal

I found this information in the:

RECORD OF DECISION
Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
Permanent World Trade Center (WTC) PATH Terminal
New York, New York



Record of Decision!

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 11 04:23:58 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 10 18:55:39 2010.

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Constantly. It's a spur track. Can be used for turning back trains in either direction.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 11 04:41:24 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Chipper10 on Sat Apr 10 18:46:21 2010.

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Actually, the middle track should be used to turn the 3 trains back at 34 St/Penn Sta similarly to the way the diamond Xover was used N/O Atlantic or the middle is used S/O Ct/Sq.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 08:17:36 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 10 23:19:11 2010.

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Don't be surprised if the project gets put on hold b/c of the financial situation :(

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 08:21:14 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:20:42 2010.

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No New Lots cannot handle both 1 & 3 one of the lines has to end @ 14th

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Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station (was: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer)

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 08:50:26 2010, in response to Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:14:25 2010.

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Subject Fixed.

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 11 14:51:07 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 08:21:14 2010.

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If Flatbush can handle 2 lines then N/Lts certainly can since unlike Flatbush, it is not critical which track is used for which service and in rush hours, layups and put ins can be easily moved into the yard without blocking arriving mainline trains.

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 14:58:51 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 11 14:51:07 2010.

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Ok thanks, thought I heard it couldn't will check better in future.

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 11 16:36:07 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by 9 local on Sat Apr 10 19:10:52 2010.

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It's my understanding that service ran uninterrupted during the construction of the original WTC, and PATH re-location. I don't see why they can't do that now.

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Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 11 20:35:07 2010, in response to Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station (was: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer), posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 08:50:26 2010.

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Subject Fixed Back. Let Larry moderate if he chooses to do so.


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Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 11 20:40:13 2010, in response to Re: Cortlandt Street (1) Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 11 20:35:07 2010.

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Whatever

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Aq Arcticson on Sun Apr 11 23:44:41 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Jeromeline on Sun Apr 11 03:45:12 2010.

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O ok. Thanks for the clarification .

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Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Randyo on Mon Apr 12 14:34:16 2010, in response to Re: Another rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 11 16:36:07 2010.

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Incompetence!!!

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 12 18:17:06 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 10 23:20:42 2010.

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That would be a mistake:

As some have suggested, what should be done is this:

1 & 3 BOTH run to New Lots, with the 2 & 3 running as they normally do in Manhattan. That would be easier on everyone and until lower Manhattan re-opens give those in Brooklyn a little more service.


ALL of that is a mistake...

We didnt call it "Slow Lots" for nothing....


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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 12 18:27:38 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 12 18:17:06 2010.

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We didnt call it "Slow Lots" for nothing....

I thought that you call it "Zoo Lots" ;)





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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 12 18:33:25 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 12 18:17:06 2010.

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Since they are worried about "issues" around Rector, couldn't they run the 1 to chambers, fumigate, run it empty via the sf loop (if the tracks are still there) to the nb side of Chambers? that way you cold leave the 2 and 3 alone

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Mon Apr 12 18:34:41 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 12 18:33:25 2010.

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But the train still has to go through Cortlandt that is where the issue lies they are worried about the tube getting fubared

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 12 18:36:29 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by arnine on Mon Apr 12 18:34:41 2010.

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I thought that as long as there wasn't passengers in it, it would be ok. It was a shot

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Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer

Posted by arnine on Mon Apr 12 18:41:55 2010, in response to Re: Rumor about the 1 line this summer, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 12 18:36:29 2010.

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Probably don't want to kill any crew. They are there too.

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