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Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010 Click here for a look at their new ad which specifically targets photographers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 17 20:36:28 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. "If you see something, say something" ... heh. Looks like CTA has some 'splaining to do ...... to MTA's copyright lawyers. :) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 17 20:37:40 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. Not surprising!! That's the new big crime in the world done with the single most dangerous weapon in history.....the dreaded CAMERA!!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 17 20:38:16 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 17 20:36:28 2010. You never know!!! Remember this site is monitored!! |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jan 17 20:39:29 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. They mention "Excessive photography/filming" not all photography. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 17 20:39:39 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 17 20:38:16 2010. I know ... that's why I felt compelled to point that one out! :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 20:43:05 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Allan on Sun Jan 17 20:39:29 2010. I think that most non-enthusiasts would interpret that as what hobbyists here do all the time. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:44:51 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Allan on Sun Jan 17 20:39:29 2010. And in the mind of the public anything more than one snapshot is "excessive". Expect lots of reports and increased harassment and abuse of photographers. The fact that any photography is now being "criminalized" in the mind of the public is an outrage. Photography is not a crime and cameras are legal equipment. I will not rest on this issue until people using cameras are treated no differently than people wearing eyeglasses. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 17 20:47:11 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:44:51 2010. I agree with you. What defines, "excessive"? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 20:56:21 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. Its only going to get worse.If a jar of honey will close down a airport imagine the average transit rider or police officer for that manner who don't know the activities of buffs. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Sun Jan 17 20:59:52 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. Smh.......the garbage continues....... |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 21:16:38 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 20:56:21 2010. I think that some agencies are learning. I used to get asked questions when taking pictures in LA and even got a summons, but I haven't had anyone say anything in years. The word is slowly getting around that photography is not a crime. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 17 21:24:06 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 17 20:47:11 2010. whatever a thug w/ a badge thinks it is |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 21:28:53 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 17 21:24:06 2010. And there's LOTS of those in Chicagoland.... |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jan 17 21:52:28 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. All I can say is "WOW!" Including excessive photography/videography on a list that the general public should report will be quite a challenge for photographers. Although I haven't been out to photo since early fall, except for the 5000s tests, I was begining to feel that the average CTA worker was finally getting accustomed to camera wielding passengers. I bet this traces its creation to previously mentioned Federal guidelines and suggestions. In other words, I doubt the CTA came up with this on their own, so look for other transit properties to use the same phrases about "excessive photography."David Harrison |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 21:55:59 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jan 17 21:52:28 2010. I think that CTA might have come up with this on their own. It's going against the grain of where other agencies have been heading. I guess we'll see. |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Jan 17 21:59:24 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. That is some fucked up shit.... |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:27:34 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. What exactly do they define as excessive photography or filming? More then one picture? Three? Eleventy-Four? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 23:30:50 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:27:34 2010. Good question, I thought of that also when I saw the poster. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:31:47 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:27:34 2010. Whatever any random rider watching a photographer thinks is excessive. I doubt that it would take much. I remember taking 3 or 4 pictures on the TRE in Dallas and a woman asked me what I was doing because she said that I was making her uncomfortable. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 23:32:06 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 21:16:38 2010. Yes, many in here have posted that officers will ask them if they are "buffs".But as we saw in the LA video the officer never bothered asking. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 23:32:56 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:31:47 2010. Wasn't that the day you were wearing a burka though Easy? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:34:12 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 23:32:06 2010. I think that the photographer in the LA video brought it on himself by being so defensive and refusing to answer simple questions. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:35:22 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Jan 17 23:32:56 2010. lol. If I grew a beard I would really freak some people out! |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Jan 17 23:45:43 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 17 21:24:06 2010. word |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:48:27 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 17 21:24:06 2010. The sign isn't directed at people with badges. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 23:49:47 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:27:34 2010. The general public sees even one picture as "excessive". I am just amazed at the hypocrisy since just about everyone carries a camera or a cellphone cam.Not to mention the number of people who love to look at pictures in art museums, photo books, history books, newspapers, magazines, the internet, etc... How do they think those pictures got there? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jan 17 23:51:36 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 21:55:59 2010. I disagree.....for instance here is the standing suggestions from our very own Federal Transit Administration......Launched in 2003, Transit Watch is a nationwide public awareness outreach campaign that encourages the active participation of transit passengers and employees in maintaining a safe transit environment. The campaign was also designed to help foster the role of transit as a safe haven in communities across the country. The goal was to create a useful toolkit that enabled transit agencies to customize the materials with local information and select the campaign and accompanying visuals that would most effectively address specific community interests and concerns to maximize interest and involvement. Since Transit Watch began, many transit agencies have taken the campaign and adapted it as their own, or have instituted similar public awareness campaigns. Building on the success of the initial campaign, the Federal Transit Administration (FTA), along with its partners at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), created supplemental materials to the original public awareness campaign, resulting in the 2006 version. These materials include messages pertaining to unattended bags, evacuation procedures, translation of the original Transit Watch materials into Spanish, and the development of a "Five Step Strategy" for use in enhancing communication with State and Local Citizen Corps Councils. The enhanced Transit Watch toolkit is a downloadable CD containing the transit evacuation "Listen, Look, Leave" campaign, the unattended items "Be Alert" and "Is this Yours?" campaigns, the "Five Step Strategy" for linking Transit Watch and Citizen Corps, and the Spanish language translation of the original Transit Watch campaign. This supplemental Transit Watch toolkit along with the original Transit Watch materials represent the Federal government's efforts to make our Nation's transit systems safer and more secure. We believe these toolkits provide an effective means for transit agencies, transit employees and the riding public to keep America safe and on the move. Both the 2003 and 2006 Transit Watch toolkits contain valuable ideas that may be used as part of a public awareness campaign, so be sure to download both. If you have questions about the materials, please contact Bridget Zamperini (bridget.zamperini@dot.gov) at the Federal Transit Administration. David Harrison |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:56:59 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:31:47 2010. I remember having a conversation at Woodhaven Boulevard with a guy that swore up and down that the photo ban had passed. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:57:53 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 23:49:47 2010. Some members of the general public wouldn't know what 2+2 is if you showed them. |
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CTA did it again |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:59:23 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. And no switches involved! :p |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:59:36 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jan 17 23:51:36 2010. But several other agencies have recently clarified that amateur photography is permitted. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 18 00:01:08 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:56:59 2010. So some guy just started bugging you about taking photos and made it up as the conversation went along? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 18 00:05:38 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 18 00:01:08 2010. I took a photo, he said that photography was banned on the subway. I explained that the ban was never passed. He continued to say to me that a ban was in place. I gave up after 3 minutes or so. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jan 18 00:07:52 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 18 00:05:38 2010. Some people are weird about photography for sure. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jan 18 00:54:18 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:34:12 2010. I also felt that he knew the officers were in that area at that time of day or they had a crew room there because he was taking pictures of a fare control area. WTF!?I could see if trains ran through there but it made no sense. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jan 18 01:01:02 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jan 18 00:54:18 2010. I don't remember what he was taking pictures of, but I've taken pictures of the new turnstiles because they are new and interesting for us. And that guy isn't a transit buff, but he did organize one of the LA photography protests on the LA Metro. He's big on photographers rights and BMTLines has linked to him before. I think that most of Flickr LA trains station pictures from the better LA photographers have no trains in them. It's just another location for most of them. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Jan 18 01:07:28 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:59:36 2010. True, and if you look at the CTA website, their photography policy is unchanged. Although you should note that they say loitering just to take pictures is not permitted. That is one reason why I think this ad card is the result of the Federal initiative. If it were home-grown within the CTA, there photography policy would show some change.David Harrison |
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Re: CTA did it again |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Jan 18 01:09:30 2010, in response to CTA did it again, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jan 17 23:59:23 2010. That was mean, LOL.David |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 18 01:33:39 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 17 23:48:27 2010. no, but the latitude of "excessive" is. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 18 07:58:38 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 18 00:05:38 2010. Turn Dennis Riga loose on that guy.:) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Jan 18 09:32:04 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. Fans in Chicago should contact the local ACLU chapter and seek their assistance in protecting the rights of photographers. Someone needs to compel CTA and area law enforcement agencies to remind their employees that photography is still legal. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Mon Jan 18 09:49:55 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Easy on Mon Jan 18 01:01:02 2010. Discarted (his user name on Flickr and other sites) started the "National Photographer's Rights Organization". I believe he is a freelance photojournalist - he has also had multiple confrontations with police when photographing accident scenes, arrests, etc. He is an example of the expression: "I am mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" so he has zero tolerance for anyone who tells him that photography is illegal or tries to stop him. Being stopped repeatedly when engaging in legal activities has that effect on people.The photo rights movement on the west coast, which includes protests on the LA Metro, has very little to do with railfans. Most are photojournalists or art photographers who like the Metro as a photogenic backdrop, nothing more. Another activist on the West Coast is Thomas Hawk. He has had several well docuented confrontations with security guards, one of which resulted in the termination of the guard's employment. He has a very popular blog which gets attention. We have never seen the MTA respond to anything said on this site, however companies have issued press releases responding to accusations Hawk has made - the most notable being related to the confrontation he had with the Director of Visitor Relations at SFMOMA. Another photo rights group operates in the DC area, called DC Photo Rights. They won legal and political victories against Union Station DC, Downtown Silver Springs, and the Department of Transportation (DOT guards were preventing photography of the building). They have made some high level connections with the DC chapter of the ACLU as well as local politicians. They too are not railfans, but like to take pictures in Union Station and the Metro for artistic purposes. The New York movement is a loose coalition of artists who came together to fight the MTA and the proposed MOFTB rules that threatened the livelihood of low-budget freelance photographers and indy film makers. The NYCLU and NPPA have been strong supporters of photo rights on the East Coast. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jan 18 13:52:03 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 21:28:53 2010. And there's LOTS of those in Chicagoland....I've only had more problems with uninformed employees, never the police. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 18 14:03:05 2010, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by Allan on Sun Jan 17 20:39:29 2010. That is a very vague term. To an ordinary rider, anyone who snaps pictures of passing trains is acting in a bizarre manner.I would not mind these sorts of things as much if they provided a disclaimer of sorts stating that there are these people called "rail buffs" and they like to take pictures of the trains, and though it might be weird to us, it's not to them and they should be considered harmless. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jan 21 18:16:48 2010, in response to Chicago Transit Authority: Photography = Terrorism, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 17 20:32:27 2010. The Story is hitting the pressMentions photographers and railfans |
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