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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 14:27:24 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 14:22:29 2009. The route on the Cross Bronx probably would have been a little different. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 9 14:41:31 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Nov 9 12:04:34 2009. Yeah ..and..?It's NYC greed that has every off Island crossing tolled... and most of the other issues are directly related to NYC GOVERNMENT foolishness... Staten Island is not as expensive as much of the city.. There is NOTHING EASY about commuting from "NEW JERSEY...when you have to deal with every other carpetbagger crossing the Hudson. Plus you can't drink the water...unless you've gotta cast iron belly. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 9 14:55:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 08:17:42 2009. I had read in the Staten Island Advance or something similar some time ago and I can not put a date to it, or find it again. In any case it was said that one of the Austen class ferries (and there are only 2) is often in service and that the other is often used for spare parts to allow the other boat to run, or out of service. That may have been true at the time it was reported.There may also have been budget increases and maintenance upgrades, modifications, supplements, part orders, etc. - that have rendered both boats serviceable and usable NOW. Capable for transporting riders. In any case, it is a very rare day or time when BOTH boats are in passenger service at the same time. This kind of observation may lead one to think that the other boat is "out of service" - which may not indeed be the case, if one means "in need of repair", rather than "it is not scheduled for service but capable of transporting passengers". Again, usually the practice is that one of those boats is transporting riders during the midnight hours. Often, but not always when those boats run. It is rare, but not impossible for such boats to be used during the day times. I hope this clears up the confusion. Mike |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 15:21:42 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Think twice on Mon Nov 9 13:30:52 2009. Except that buses can and always have been able to go to Jones Beach. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 15:44:28 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 15:21:42 2009. Just not on the Southern State. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 15:56:13 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 14:27:24 2009. For the most part, the Cross-Bronx is a straight line. It likely still would be. Mitigation efforts would likely be made, similar to what has been done for the BQE along the promenade. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 17:07:46 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 15:56:13 2009. I was thinking more of the Interboro/Jackie Robinson which has its twists and turns because of the cemeteries. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 17:20:42 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 17:07:46 2009. And is a much worse road in many ways because of it. So that's not a role model. |
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A Better Idea? (Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 9 17:25:06 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. For #28 (which hopefully will not happen for a long time), the Yankees should forget about the Canyon of Heroes and hold their parade down Grand Concourse in the Bronx. There's plenty of room for 2 million people and the economically-challenged area sure could use the walk-up business the parade would bring.Everybody would win. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 9 18:08:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 18:20:53 2009. See my reply to Easy. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 18:17:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 09:29:45 2009. He says that he got that info from a news article he read a long time ago, so the article might have been right around the time it was published, but it certainly isn't as of about 2 months ago. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 18:20:48 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 18:17:37 2009. That explains why you disagree with him, but not why you think you agree with him. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 18:26:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 18:20:48 2009. I agreed with this statement specifically:Often I am told that usually only one of the Austen class boats is in service Because from my observation, the John A. Noble is the only boat in service. I made a mistake when I added in him saying: and the other one is used for parts. In the post where I initially said that I agreed with him. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 19:12:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 18:26:52 2009. Thanks. I'm glad you understand now. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:00:13 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 22:47:57 2009. Screw Staten Island. Worst place in the five boros to live if you want any reasonable intercourse with the city. You move to Staten Island...you're a Jerseyite. Better off moving to Bayonne. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:15:29 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 15:44:28 2009. There ya go. They can take Sunrise Highway. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:31:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 12:39:16 2009. What could have been a possible scenario sans Moses' highways? I'm thinking something like a more comprehensive series of boulevards like Woodhaven/Cross Bay and Linden, and "parkways" like Ocean and Eastern. People bitching about what is here now should imagine a ten lane wide Jamaica Avenue - Broadway corridor as an example of what might have happened. The Belt Parkway does make sense. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:37:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 9 09:55:57 2009. yawn |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:50:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:57:30 2009. Ya think?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 21:03:23 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:57:30 2009. The ferry system is patheticNo it's not. Maybe you'd like no ferry link, such as the one that was removed between Tottenville and Perth Amboy at the other end of the SIR? (This line used to be called the Perth Amboy Division.) There is a rail link to Elizabeth. It's freight-only right now. Why aren't you complaining about no passenger trains over the existing rail link to SI? I'm amazed at how SI has NO RAIL link to NYC. A tunnel should've been put in years ago Are you equally amazed about the lack of rail links between Hudson County and Manhattan too . . . ? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 22:08:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 7 23:19:22 2009. You will never ever again see a development pattern similar to what NYC grew up with. The very long stretches of high density housing, street after street, to the physical end of available land. That goes for the entire city, excepting Richmond. And even there the density is way higher than most of the surrounding suburbs. We are unique. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Nov 10 00:15:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 9 20:15:29 2009. Parts of the Sunrise has traffic light. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 10 00:47:14 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 11:28:11 2009. I've always hoped for passenger service over the Arthur Kill bridge too. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 01:44:44 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 9 18:08:12 2009. My words from a previous message: "During the discussion on Staten Island separating itself from NYC during the early 1990's, there was the discredited suggestion that Staten Island could not make it on its own financially. That suggestion was disproved in major ways, but the myth of it shows up every now and then. Not that Staten Island should separate - it would not change much, except bring in a new cast of cronies."Quoted text from another message: "But the Staten Island tax base is not as large as is often assumed. Only 1.5 percent of New York City’s commercial taxes originate on Staten Island, according to the study conducted for the state commission by Berne, Netzer, and Stiefel. The NYU economists found that the cost of providing city services to Staten Island exceeds the revenues the borough generates by between $160 million and $180 million. This basic finding corroborates a study completed by the Mayor’s Office, which estimated the difference between expenses and revenues at $199 million. These analyses point to the surprising conclusion that separation of Staten Island from New York would actually provide budget relief for the city. That's what I hit on Google. The NYU report used to be online but I can't find it anymore." I want to respond that message. A few ideas to get out of the way: 1) I am not a proponent of Staten Island separating itself from New York City for several reasons: personal fortunes; my concerns about the whole city; and my unresolved thoughts about those who propose the idea now; and those in the past who proposed the idea. 2) I believe that a good part of this discussion comes under the heading "in theory", since there were many practical details to be worked out. In addition on a purely urban planning level the debate is fascinating in its novelty. 3) I believe that a close reading of the whole report that you provided supports the points that I made. It is true that the commercial sector of Staten Island as part of the tax paying base is small. Staten island is largely residential - but then so are many communities and small cities. a) The report that you provided showed that Staten Island while Staten Island is the city’s smallest borough, its population of 380,000 makes it as big as Miami or Pittsburgh. Staten Island's population has been growing since the report was written, as is the only borough in the city whose population that has continued to grow. b) As quoted from the article: "Even without tax increases, it may be possible for an independent Staten Island to be economically viable. The city currently receives $658.1 million in revenues from the island. Add its share of state and federal aid ($283.5 million) and debt service reserve funds ($13.8 million), and Staten Island has an existing revenue base of $955 million—by most standards a strong financial foundation for a city of fewer than 400,000 people." Staten Island's population now stands at an estimated 445,000, a 17% increase in population since 1990. c) A city of 400,000 with an existing revenue base of $955 million by most standards is a strong financial foundation for a city, as quoted and repeated. I believe that most folks would say that is "making it" which is what I had said earlier in the quoted section. d) The article then goes on to discuss the various kinds of separation of assets and monies, likening it to a divorce, a municipal divorce of a sort, where some things remained to be determined. Fair enough, for example how to pay for water, or provision for a city jail (although there is a correctional facility called Arther Kill on the island which seemed to be omitted). e) As quoted from the article: "Moreover, the architects of a new city would have an unprecedented opportunity to shape a local government that reflects their best thinking and highest aspirations. A City of Staten Island could end up with a far leaner government than the City of New York. On the other hand, Staten Islanders are accustomed to a certain level of service they have historically received from New York City, and most residents probably will want to see this maintained. Some essential services now provided by the city would be costly for Staten Island to deliver itself." There is an element of the details to be examined in the report, but the report has an air of "it is not impossible". f) Some of the debate that I alluded to was the idea, expressed at the time, that there was NO WAY ON THIS SIDE OF HADES that Staten Island could ever support itself with out the help of the other boroughs, and that is the viewpoint that has to rejected. Again, I agree that certain details would have to worked out, and specified but it is not impossible. g) Other reportes that I remember looking at - at the time said that finances might not be as difficult as reported. The quoted report did allude to the different sides of the debates and their dueling researches and their reports. There were questions about the balance of payments into and out of the island and the other boroughs. h) And I agree that there were a variety of stakeholders in the debate at the time, and that the subject has become moot over time. Thank you for finding this article. Mike |
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Posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 10 03:30:35 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 20:41:32 2009. i hope you fall in front of a train. |
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Posted by Think twice on Tue Nov 10 08:52:02 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 11:28:11 2009. "Maybe if they piggyback it on a new water tunnel or a freight tunnel."Yes. That and probably the NYSDOT's plans for the Gowanus Expressway. |
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Posted by Think twice on Tue Nov 10 08:53:44 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 15:21:42 2009. Yup, epic fail. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Nov 10 10:32:57 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 07:09:28 2009. For all the money that would cost, DOT could simply bring back the pre-1970s schedules with a boat every 20 minutes during the day & 30 minutes at night. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 13:29:58 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Nov 10 10:32:57 2009. From a previous message: "For all the money that would cost, DOT could simply bring back the pre-1970s schedules with a boat every 20 minutes during the day & 30 minutes at night."Here's where it gets interesting, the arguments among the bean-counters, media-type folk, and the public. One of the arguments about ferry service is the fact that ridership declines at certain times and increases at other times. Add in the fact that manpower and equipment costs can be heavy, and that whatever boats are purchased, the boats are expected to last 30-40 years apiece. When the DOT proposes larger boats to carry more people, the argument then goes that a less frequent schedule is needed, the larger boat does the work of two smaller boats. That was the thinking behind the Barberi class boats, and carrying 6,000 riders. At the times when there is less ridership, the Austen boats with 1,200 riders are supposed to be used. However we all have to admit that there are times when only about 300 people or so are riding the 2am or 3am boats. The bean counters and media-driven types would then charge that the "boats are empty", it is a "waste of resources" to carry so few riders. As a solution they propose less service - the hourly schedules, etc. By having less frequent schedules, the ferry becomes less attractive to those who want to travel, and those folk travel by car. Thus more folk become not concerned with the support of the ferry - leading over time to less service. The riding public however would prefer more frequent service, time is a limited resource to most people. Add in the fact that most policy makers do not mind making other people operate under a system that they themselves do not have to operate by. Who really wants to spend Saturday and Sunday evenings waiting an hour for the ferry, even though the terminal is packed with people? With all of that in mind - getting the current policy makers to restore day-time 20 minute schedules, and night-time and midnight hour 30-minute schedules is not likely to happen. A few years ago, the NYC City Council did indeed vote in a ferry schedule where 24-7-365 the longest a person would have to wait for a ferry was 30 minutes. The vote was approved by the entire city council - 100%. Mayor Bloomberg vetoed it, saying that the City Council was "micro-managing the DOT". A few weekend morning ferry runs, and an extra 1am boat leaving Manhattan was added to the schedule - was the result. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 16:10:43 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. Below is the editorial that appeared in the Staten Island Advance.------------------------ After the parade, chaos By Staten Island Advance Editorial November 10, 2009, 11:10AM The New York Yankees just won their 27th World Championship and their fifth in the last 14 years. And after each of those most recent triumphs, the city has thrown them a pull-out-all-the stops parade down lower Broadway. And there have been parades for other victorious Big Apple teams, as well, such as for the New York Giants, who won the 2007 Super Bowl. Each time, millions of people skip work or school and swarm down to the “Canyon of Heroes” to celebrate with their heroes of the moment. So you’d figure that city officials would have this whole parade thing down pretty well by now. For the most part, they do, but somehow, the Department of Transportation, which runs the Staten Island Ferry, seemed to be caught unawares by Friday’s post-parade crush. After the parade ended, tens of thousands of people drifted into the Whitehall Ferry Terminal and the overcrowding created a truly dangerous scene inside the waiting area, which was overheated for good measure. According to reports, the surge for the 1 p.m. boat was such that people were being crushed against doors and poles, and parents had to hang onto their children so they wouldn’t be trampled. “People’s feet did not touch the floor. You could be carried,” said Stacy Parisi of Fort Wadsworth, who was with her 15-year-old daughter. Ann Marie Teta of Huguenot, who had gone to the parade with her two sons and their friend, reported that the jostling became so bad she was separated from one of her sons who was shoved to the floor and injured his eye. “We were waiting for the boat and when the doors opened, he lost my hand. I was screaming; he was crying,” she said. Things got so out of hand that the police ordered the doors to the terminal closed. A similar crush occurred as people tried to board the 1:30 p.m. boat. Of course, as usually happens at these mega-celebrations, some people in the crowd had been drinking, which didn’t help matters. Nor did the failure of ferry personnel to let people know what was happening. At one point, a rumor circulated that ferry service had been canceled. One Port Richmond teen was arrested for punching a police officer. Another person lost his shoes in the fray. Some in the crowd fainted and others vomited. Eyewitnesses reported seeing a number of young people aboard the boat who were so shaken by the experience that they were crying. Mrs. Parisi said, “It was chaos and there was no control. It was a great day, but a horrible ending.” Another Islander who is in a band that participated in the parade, said, “It was insane, it was chaos. There were too many people in the ferry terminal. They [didn’t] have enough boats. When the boats came and the doors opened, everybody was shoving from the back. People just started shoving and shouting. It was out of control, out of control.” The DOT eventually ordered another ferry into service to move the rest of the crowd out of the terminal and wisely suspended service temporarily from St. George to Manhattan to prevent other people from being added to the combustible mix at South Ferry. The situation subsided within an hour with relatively few injuries, but obviously, it could have been a lot worse. The question is why was this allowed to happen at all. It’s a given that there’s going to be a stampede of people in a celebratory mood after such events, and some of them are going to be rowdy. The key is to have enough ferries in operation to get people out of the waiting area quickly and on their way. Ferry officials didn’t seem to recognize the necessity of this until after a potentially dangerous situation had arisen inside the terminal. Let’s hope they’ve learned a lesson. The odds are the Yankees or some other New York team will win a championship in the near future and there will a parade then, too, with the same kind of midday flood of ferry passengers. The next time, ferry officials must be prepared. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Tue Nov 10 16:48:16 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 21:03:23 2009. The ferry system is patheticNo it's not. Yes, it is. And I would gladly pay a fare to have better service. Maybe you'd like no ferry link, such as the one that was removed between Tottenville and Perth Amboy at the other end of the SIR? (This line used to be called the Perth Amboy Division.) Build me a bridge/tunnel to replace the current ferry route (like was done between Tottenville and P.A.) and I will gladly see the ferry go away. There is a rail link to Elizabeth. It's freight-only right now. Why aren't you complaining about no passenger trains over the existing rail link to SI? It would be great for me, since one of my friends lives near Bound Brook, but really, how many people want to go from staten Island to the RVL stops (or vice versa)? I'm amazed at how SI has NO RAIL link to NYC. A tunnel should've been put in years ago Are you equally amazed about the lack of rail links between Hudson County and Manhattan too . . . ? I believe the amazement comes from the fact that there is no rail connection between two parts of NYC. I'm not too sure about your amazement re no rail links between two places in different states, especially considering the fact there are rail links between Hudson and Manhattan. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Nov 10 17:19:32 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Alex L. on Tue Nov 10 16:48:16 2009. lol, OWNED!!!! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 18:15:44 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Alex L. on Tue Nov 10 16:48:16 2009. From a previous message: "The ferry system is patheticNo it's not. Yes, it is. And I would gladly pay a fare to have better service." Here's the question: Would paying for Staten Island Ferry service really improve the service? Improve its responsiveness to its consumers by having a more frequent schedule? Improve the general environment, and attitude toward the riders? By paying I mean an actual fare charged to all riders, whether that fare is 50 cents, 75 cents, 1 dollar or two dollars and fifty cents. The old fast ferry had a cost of about $5 per trip, but that was direct to midtown including a shuttle bus trip across 34th Street. There's are times, when I think that the affirmative answer - riders paying a fare - would not really matter. When the ferry was 50 cents in 1997, we still had 30 minute ferries on the same basic schedule, and 60 minute ferries on the same basic schedule. Paying money out of pocket did not provide the riders with any extra rights, amenities or consideration. In 1990 there was the old Manhattan terminal until the fire, and more than 10 ten years of temporary terminals. The payment of a fare did not keep the homeless from camping out in the terminals, or any way stop the beggars, panhandlers, singers, and preachers, etc. Does anyone think that paying a fare on the ferry would really change things? Mike |
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Posted by Alex L. on Tue Nov 10 22:58:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 18:15:44 2009. Of course it won't - city services are notoriously unresponsive to the needs of the served. However, if I didn't mention that I'd be willing to pay a fare, all that I would have heard in response is the knee-jerk "Whadda ya want for nothing?", which, frankly, I'm quite tired of hearing, because the list of expectations for my little piece of "nothing" is quite extensive. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Nov 10 23:21:59 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 10 03:30:35 2009. whoa, getting serious here. |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Tue Nov 10 23:56:55 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Nov 10 23:21:59 2009. What a night! |
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Posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 11 00:09:05 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. This is because Staten Island's transportation is run by a bunch of airheads. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 11 01:56:45 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by daDouce Man on Tue Nov 10 00:15:01 2009. So what? Are you saying that a bus route from, say, Louis Pink Houses to Jones Beach should not be run because it would have to take Linden Boulevard to Conduit Boulevard to Sunrise Highway to the Meadowbrook Parkway, rather than Linden Boulevard to Conduit Boulevard to the Belt Parkway to the Cross Island Parkway to the Southern State Parkway to the Meadowbrook Parkway? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 11 02:19:22 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 10 13:29:58 2009. As I've said in another post, Staten Island is not a good place to be if you have to be in the other boroughs every day. Work in Bayway, or Bayonne? Perfect. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 11 12:15:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 9 14:55:57 2009. Ferryboat glitches seen as possible threat to passenger safetyBy Maura Yates November 11, 2009, 11:51AM Staten Island Advance ferry.jpgJan Somma-Hammel/Staten Island Advance Passengers' safety could be put at risk by malfunctioning equipment on Staten Island ferryboats, according to a ferry insider. While approaching its slip on a recent run -- the most dangerous time to have something go wrong -- the Staten Island ferryboat Guy V. Molinari, already down one of its four propulsion drives, lost a second one. The drive was reset and power was restored without incident. Though unnoticeable to ferry riders, there have been several other recent failures since Advance reports on the persistent problems with the three newest boats prompted a City Council hearing on the issue. A ferry insider says it's no stretch to say that the unreliable parts could compromise passenger safety. On another recent day, the ferryboat Spirit of America lost power to a "phase cell," which caused the boat to lose one of its four drives, though it remained completely operable. In a separate incident, the Spirit's "drive diode" failed while the boat was out of service, though it also was operable. "At no time were vessels in any danger," said Seth Solomonow, a spokesman for the city's Department of Transportation, which runs the ferry. The Molinari-class boats were deliberately built with redundant systems, he said, which allow them to continue operating safely even if certain components fail. Ferries can safely carry passengers when one of their four drives are down, as permitted by U.S. Coast Guard regulations, Solomonow said. But though the backups are in place to keep the boat operating, a total failure of all four drives, similar to losing the brakes in a car, was blamed for the July "hard landing" that slammed the John J. Marchi into its slip at St. George and sent 15 people to the hospital. Since their delivery in 2005, the new boats have had their share of "teething problems" but have largely worked out their kinks, Capt. James DeSimone, the ferry's chief officer, testified during the Council hearing in September. The city negotiated extended warranties for components in the boats, DeSimone testified, but now that the warranties are up, the DOT will proceed against the manufacturer if any latent defects are found after the investigation of the Marchi's hard landing. The three new boats now boast a reliability rating well in excess of 90 percent, Solomonow said, and the issues they have experienced are not unlike similar incidents on other classes of ferries that occur from time to time. With a price tag of $40 million each, the Molinari-class boats were built to exact specifications, with all components approved by the Coast Guard. In addition, the design and construction of the new ferries was approved by the American Bureau of Shipping, which is known for its high standards. Over the past fiscal year, according to the DOT, the Molinari was available for passenger service 95 percent of the time, with the Marchi available 93 percent of the time and Spirit of America 99 percent of the time. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Nov 11 14:29:35 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:49:06 2009. You'd never know it. Every year something seems to happen causing very large crowds to queue up in St. George. I learned the hard way the first time I biked the tour - after that one time waiting several hours to get back to Manhattan, I always go to Staten Island very early in the morning and take the ferry.--Mark |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 11 17:54:05 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Nov 11 14:29:35 2009. The Barberi class of boats, the two 6,000 passenger boats were delivered in the early 1980's. Before that time, according to Hank E. and the research that I've done, the rush hour schedule of ferries was more frequent. The two Barberri class boats replaced a number of older ferries. I have was told that the rush hour schedule was changed to reflect a) the reduced number of boats, and the fact that the two new boats carried twice as many riders as the boats they replaced. As I understand it, the late evening, and weekend schedules were not affected by the arrival of the larger boats, when the boats ran at 30 and 60 minutes apart.Mike |
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Posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 12:39:09 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 16:31:30 2009. that's not the reason why she left.....btw I met up last month |
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Posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 12:40:21 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 16:31:30 2009. that's not the reason why she left.....btw I met ''her'' last month. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 13:50:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 12:40:21 2009. Do you care to respond to the original question as to why Lillian Garcia left WWE since you may know? |
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Posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 14:08:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 13:50:36 2009. she want to pursuit a singing career...when she was in WWE she sang the national anthem and after 9/11 she sang American Beautiful that's when people took notices how talented she was. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 14:14:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 14:08:41 2009. OK, thanks. |
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Posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 15:22:02 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 12:16:18 2009. he could've google it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 17:41:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BJC3914 on Sun Nov 15 15:22:02 2009. Of course he could have. But he doesn't know how to, and/or he's too stupid to. Seriously. |
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