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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 8 21:24:59 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 20:50:41 2009. . . .and South 4th Street, Utica Ave, Liberty Ave extension, Hillside extension, Lafayette ave (Bronx), Flatbush/Nostrand extension, and countless others we can think of. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 21:30:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 8 21:24:59 2009. And when did Moses start exerting influence over the subway system?Clearly he's at fault for some projects never done. But some of the projects were before his time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 21:40:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 21:24:55 2009. maybe they should have then gotten a different spot...? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 21:30:57 2009. You can build subways IF you don't have the money...and Moses was able to secure PLENTY of it for "HIS PROJECTS"...and very little for rail lines...Why are thereno tracks over the George Washington Bridge..even though it was planned to have one...? Why didn't the BOT finish the Van Wyck Blvd subway BEFORE the Hillside route..even though the later was planned FIRST.. Why were plans for the line cancelled while the Queens residents were told to clearly expect the line by 1940. You see...he was nuts. A nut that was a racist bastard..with power.. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:10:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 21:40:41 2009. Only if they wanted away from the curb. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:13:24 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:10:36 2009. no |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:14:47 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009. Why didn't the BOT finish the Van Wyck Blvd subway BEFORE the Hillside route.I thought it had more to do with the stock market crash in 1929 than Moses. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 8 22:22:33 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:43:21 2009. I wonder how many complaints MTA customer service gets on the mostly money wasting Staten Island Express Bus routes alone. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:24:14 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009. Why are there no tracks over the George Washington Bridge?Who owned the GW bridge when it first opened? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 8 22:26:08 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:24:14 2009. LOL! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 22:26:23 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 8 00:29:11 2009. What makes you think Staten Island WANTS to stay?When they tried to GET RID OF NYC...You guys cried, whined..pitched a bitch...and voted it down....! Seems like you need them..revenue wise. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:28:26 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009. Why were plans for the line cancelled while the Queens residents were told to clearly expect the line by 1940.Either conditions after 1929 or a slow resumption to normal operations in the late 1930's |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:30:20 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009. You see...he was nuts.A nut that was a racist bastard with power. No doubt he was nuts. But when did he get the power? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 22:30:32 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Alex L. on Sun Nov 8 20:48:45 2009. they practically begged us to stay!Even made the ferry FREE..EXP BUS FARE 3 BUCKS...it was fun for awhile. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:33:20 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:24:14 2009. ahahahahaha!!! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:36:51 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:13:24 2009. Get a curbside spot on Thanksgiving morning and show up at 6am for it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:39:33 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:33:20 2009. Maybe at the time whoever owned the bridge wouldn't allow subway tracks on it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:40:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:36:51 2009. And arrange it so that people can spot you on TV. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:49:53 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:39:33 2009. ahaahahahahahaha! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:50:07 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:36:51 2009. no |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:12:56 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 05:42:06 2009. Re-trucked, re-powered, re-jected. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:18:05 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:43:21 2009. You'd actually lose a decent portion of the tax base. You know, the highest median income in the city. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:22:33 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 09:55:00 2009. The capacity of the largest ferries is 6000 passengers; the new boats can carry 4500. No need to borrow any boats, just run the right ones. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:24:30 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 8 12:34:54 2009. If they could crew a Molinari-class, they could crew Barberi class. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:25:58 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 8 12:06:30 2009. Not to mention that the MTA is a state agency, so nothing would change. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:32:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 8 18:05:00 2009. No, it wasn't. What happened was Sheldon Silver said that since the legislation affected the city, the city had to tell the assembly that they could move forward on it.The city wasn't about to let that happen. The secession movement grew out of the abolishing of the Board of Estimate, which significantly changed city government. The Board of Estimate was abolished when the US Supreme Court decided that it violated the 14th Amendment. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0489_0688_ZS.html http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/01/nyregion/new-york-legislature-approves-staten-island-secession-measure.html |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:36:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 22:26:23 2009. It was never 'voted down'. One man killed the legislation before it could be voted on, let alone presented.http://www.nysenate.gov/news/sen-marchis-death-marks-end-era-staten-island |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:40:07 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by straphanger9 on Sun Nov 8 20:59:38 2009. No. Mayor Bloomberg would still be in power until January 1, 2010. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:43:38 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:12:49 2009. That's because he (rightfully) didn't expect the state government to keep their word and keep trucks off the parkways by law. They were intended to be linear parks and ways to get to the state parks, which he was also responsible for. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:45:29 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:24:14 2009. The Port of New York Authority. Moses gets a lot of blame for things that were not really under his influence. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:46:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 21:57:13 2009. Moses wasn't a racist; he was an elitist. He fully believed that those who had the money, had the power. He could have cared less if you were from Mars. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:49:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 7 17:29:22 2009. They add service for the Five-Boro Bike Tour in May. Prior to the delivery of the Barberi boats, rush hour service was every 10 minutes from 7:30 to 9AM, and 4:30 to 7PM. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 03:06:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Nov 8 15:15:06 2009. Although I think switching it to NJ is stupid, it would serve as a model for the rest of the state: Namely a county that's its own municipality. There are too many municipalities in New Jersey. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:43:38 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:39:33 2009. BTW, who owned the GW Bridge? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:44:09 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 22:50:07 2009. chicken. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:57:08 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:22:33 2009. Sometimes it's not a matter of not enough boats on hand.It's just too many people at that one time. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 04:02:56 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:45:29 2009. It is easy to blame Moses.The correct answer should be Hylan, Great Depression, WW2, Moses and a few other things I can't think of at the moment. Still, when did Moses start imposing his influence? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 04:10:38 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 02:46:37 2009. He fully believed that those who had the money, had the power.Case in point, The Brooklyn Heighta Esplande. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 06:37:12 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 09:55:00 2009. nope. If they used every ferry they had AND borrowed other boats, there likely would have been no problems. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 06:39:41 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:43:38 2009. lol ahahahahaahha |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 06:39:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:44:09 2009. duck |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 06:55:17 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 22:14:47 2009. Exactly:Moses may have been anti-transit, but without those roads, traffic as we know it today in NYC would be many times worse than it actually is. Those roads like it or not were needed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 07:08:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 06:55:17 2009. No, if those roads were not built, then there would be a different culture here, likely one without so much emphasis on the car. But that assumes that no other roads would have been built later instead of the ones Moses hypothetically would not have built. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 07:09:28 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Nov 8 15:02:15 2009. One solution to this would be to build a tunnel to Staten Island from South Ferry that would have 1 trains extended to Staten Island, perhaps running on a revamped SIRT line where stations and platforms would accomodate 10 IRT-sized cars. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 07:14:35 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 07:09:28 2009. No. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 07:16:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Nov 8 15:02:15 2009. Apples and oranges. Prior to NJT/MN joint service, the trains were operated by one railroad, that being Conrail. That's a continuation of legacy service, not precedent for new startup. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 07:18:44 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Transit, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 9 07:09:28 2009. Not a viable solution, no. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 07:36:33 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 8 12:34:54 2009. Often I am told that usually only one of the Austen class boats is in service, and the other one is used for parts.Yup, the John A. Noble is the regular night boat, with the Alice Austen stepping in once in a while for whatever reason. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 9 07:52:54 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 9 07:36:33 2009. That's not what he said. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 9 08:02:25 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 9 03:57:08 2009. This was a matter of poor planning. The wrong boats were in service. |
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