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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 7 21:09:00 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 7 21:02:21 2009. The Flushing Line is not operated at capacityOh? ROAR |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 21:19:18 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 7 21:02:21 2009. Hem, I wonder: what's stopping them from just running 12-car trains? Can't they extend some more platforms to hold a 12-car train? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 7 22:10:34 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 7 21:09:00 2009. Sure - look at the schedule.Other than that, the running time seems to be exaggerated to help OTP too. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Nov 8 01:58:25 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Sat Nov 7 14:50:30 2009. I wish the speed in the Steinway tubes were 35mph, but at its slowest, it's 20mph! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 8 08:43:10 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 7 15:38:31 2009. I've heard that the R-16s weren't so bad when new. One could say deferred maintenance really took its toll on them. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 09:08:20 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 8 08:43:10 2009. Not to the oldtimers I talked to back in the day when I was a rookie. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 8 11:40:20 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 09:08:20 2009. So they were bad from the start? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 12:18:49 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 8 11:40:20 2009. That's what they told me. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 8 13:41:14 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 7 16:36:11 2009. The one S/B just N/O Jefferson St was one that I remember. As a passenger looking out the RFW on the steels, i never saw that one change and I would imagine that if a bug were crawling on the stop arm it probably would have been brushed off by the trip cock as the stop arm went down. When I broke in as a M/M on that line I had the good fortune to operate a steel and the old timer who broke me in gave me a bit of a scars when he said "OK lad just shut it off at the emergency exit and let it coast." I didn't see it change from the cab either. later, when I worked the line on my own, I never dared try that with an R-9 but the old timers somehow still did. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 8 15:00:01 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 12:18:49 2009. oh ok. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 8 15:01:45 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 7 18:10:48 2009. lol, like what? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 15:48:20 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 8 13:41:14 2009. Heh. Well ... this guy never had the stones to tempt timers. I was one of those wooses that perferred to pass greens. Especially on the Manny B. :)I was taught that "riding yellows" was russian roulette. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 15:49:44 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 20:42:39 2009. Sure ... THAT'LL happen. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 15:55:06 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 09:08:20 2009. Heh. The R17's were OK, sorta ... but putting that qwap under a much bigger, heavier car just wasn't a good idea. :)Then there were those door engines ... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Nov 8 16:38:25 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by sitechboy on Fri Nov 6 17:48:57 2009. I'm in the last car looking back along the curve to Atlantic Ave. Our follower came flying up the curve at full speed.That's how the railroad used to run back in the good old days |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Nov 8 18:33:57 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Sat Nov 7 14:50:30 2009. That's one hell of a story. I use to work First Avenue Interlocking during the AM rush hour when I was a new M/I. I reported to Queensboro Plaza. That's about the time I was ordered to see Russotti because I wasn't in proper attire when I responded to a BIE at Vernon-Jackson. I wore a dress shirt, black Levi's and a pair of highly polished Knapp work shoes. If I was working school car it would have been different. The guy was a major jackass. |
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Posted by f179dj on Mon Nov 9 14:38:10 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Nov 8 18:33:57 2009. Who JR (B-1)or LL (S/C)?Your attire sounds good to me, but times have changed from when I had to go around in a jacket and tie. Remember "Sneakers" Silver at De Kalb? 1st Avenue; broke in there with Marty W. Maintainers would curl up on the floor to sleep. Good times. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 9 18:17:56 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Mon Nov 9 14:38:10 2009. It was JR (B1). A real lousy Chief M/I. I could have thought of a half dozen other canditates for the job without really trying. Come to think of it, when MB was the chief, I always thought of him as a nice guy until I found out that when I had the infamous collision with the block at A Tower with the R46s (1181N)in 1978 he recommended that I be dismissed for negligence and incompetency. He must have been sleeping with Cars and Shops. I took the route of the trial board and I was exonerated of all charges. Sometimes you just don't know the real person until the cards are stacked against you. Sambucini was the one that represented me and pulled my cookies out of the oven. Now that's a real nice guy.LL (S/C)? Was that junior? Another gem following in his father's footsteps. He was an idiot at Canarsie as a C/R. When he became an ATD I remember giving him the walking tour of the Manahattan Bridge. Boy, was he scared. I trust he became a D/S but I had left the division by that time. In a lot of cases the TA is like a cesspool; the large chuncks rise to the top. LOL |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 9 18:24:00 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 15:55:06 2009. As I mentioned in another post, the door engines on the R-16 were National Pneumatic and those on the R-17s through 22s were Consolidated Car Heating Co. It seems that the Consolidated door engines worked better than the N-P ones. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 9 18:31:22 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 9 18:24:00 2009. Yeah, knew the history on those. NP did just fine with the arnines although they got crusty with age. They shoulda stuck to air in tubes. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 9 18:35:10 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 9 18:31:22 2009. I know that the R-12s through 15s which had the first all electric door engines by N-P also gave a lot of grief. By the time the R-30s arrived, which also had N-P door engines, the company must have gotten its act together because I don't recall having any serious problems from them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 9 18:39:21 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 9 18:35:10 2009. Interesting things happen when a vendor decides to get into something they havden't done before. I've heard that both the gear ratio wasn't optimal and they really didn't design for enough torque in those motors. When you get enough warrantee claims, you look at your design again. :) |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Nov 10 10:32:27 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 9 18:17:56 2009. LL was for Lenny L. JR's son did, tho, follow the route you described. Heard that he was pulled off the road kind of fast and given a job at Jay Street while a C/R. He was D/S in CIY and I had to break in with him too one day (they were still trying to keep me in management at the time, while I was trying to go back to supervision.)MB was a piece of work. Once I got to Jay Street and saw how the politics played out, things became clearer. Tommy P. was probably pulling his strings at the time; they absolutely hated each other, but Tom was ACTO and Mike was only Chief M/I, so you can see who had more clout. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 10 15:04:31 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 9 18:17:56 2009. That was YOU? |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Nov 10 17:07:19 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Tue Nov 10 10:32:27 2009. Didn't Tommy P. work in the Chief's office or was he second in command behind MB. I didn't realize that Tommy P. was assigned ACTO.Do you remember if there was a Signal Forman by the name of Redmond and a Helper by the name of Izzy when you were at First Ave. Interlocking? IIRC the floor was the only place you could sleep (resting one's eyes checking for holes in the eyelids). Those were tight quarters. I remember when that collision took place (it was February 1979 my mistake)the Trainmaster was there (can't remember his name) M/I Stillman and a host of C&S representatives were there. I remember Stillman asking where C&S was and the ATD said they started out to the train. He said "I've got to make sure they don't pull any BCO or S/C on the train" as he quickly hurried out the door. They cut the four rear cars off and when they looped it they couldn't stop it in full service or emergency. It finally stopped when all the hand brakes were applied. There were so many braking issues with those cars (R46) that were documented. I knew something was wrong when 1)They allowed me to return to service the next day, the Crew Office advised me of a (2)day suspension and that they'd let me work my RDOs to make up for the loss. With that kind of damage sustained to the equipment all I was given was a two day suspension. That's when I raised the ante to a full trial board. They never killed my interest in the profession, just left a bad taste in my mouth. I remember Sneakers Silvers. Use to hang around DeKalb on the Midnights? |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Nov 10 17:30:03 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Nov 10 17:07:19 2009. "Didn't Tommy P. work in the Chief's office or was he second in command behind MB. I didn't realize that Tommy P. was assigned ACTO."I'm using the old titles, obviously, before we had an ACTO in charge of parties and whatnot. In those days Al B. was chief (Milt C. was his predecessor) and Tom P. was assistant. That's all folks. General Superintendents ran the divisions (John B on the BMT; Pat R on the IND), now G/S's are a dime a dozen. "Do you remember if there was a Signal Forman by the name of Redmond and a Helper by the name of Izzy when you were at First Ave. Interlocking? IIRC the floor was the only place you could sleep (resting one's eyes checking for holes in the eyelids). Those were tight quarters." Nah; just broke in there with Marty. It was tight, though. "I remember when that collision took place (it was February 1979 my mistake)the Trainmaster was there (can't remember his name) M/I Stillman and a host of C&S representatives were there. I remember Stillman asking where C&S was and the ATD said they started out to the train. He said "I've got to make sure they don't pull any BCO or S/C on the train" as he quickly hurried out the door. They cut the four rear cars off and when they looped it they couldn't stop it in full service or emergency. It finally stopped when all the hand brakes were applied. There were so many braking issues with those cars (R46) that were documented. I knew something was wrong when 1)They allowed me to return to service the next day, the Crew Office advised me of a (2)day suspension and that they'd let me work my RDOs to make up for the loss. With that kind of damage sustained to the equipment all I was given was a two day suspension. That's when I raised the ante to a full trial board. They never killed my interest in the profession, just left a bad taste in my mouth." Sorry about the misadventure. You really date yourself with the C&S reference, lol, as if I should talk; last time I had to listen to 6-wire transmissions in the late '90's they were still acknowledging as "Shops." Did the train come off the wheel truing machine? We've had more problems with that move than one can imagine. Stillman was OK as a M/I. I forget the name of the guy who worked BBC in the AM's. When I broke in on the M, the motorman made sure we had turned the car body lights off at BBC. He commented that if the lights were on, the M/I would tell us to turn them off; if they were off, he would tell us to turn them on. We passed muster that day. "I remember Sneakers Silvers. Use to hang around DeKalb on the Midnights?" That's him; JAR (Stl, B-1) couldn't stand him either; but couldn't do anything about him, lol. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 16:23:26 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Tue Nov 10 17:30:03 2009. There was a Disp. at Brighton Beach on the PMs. I think his name was Frank Askins. He was a strange fellow but I knew how to play the game and get on his good side. I was rewarded by not having to do any layups as long as I listened to his stories. Wasn't a bad trade off.Do you remember Henry Austin on the F Line? He was on the busses too but got called back before me. Made Dispatcher. Nice guy. Died of cancer not long after being promoted. What a shame. Do you remember Jimmy Faison? He was my M/M when I worked the F out of Stillwell on the weekends. That had to be around 1974. I don't know what happened to him but when I returned from the busses he seemed to be a changed person (personality). When I was a C/R he was always personable and joked around and was also quite informative of the written and unwritten rules of the road. When I saw him later on he seemed to be withdrawn and solemn. Never did find out why. Take care. |
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Posted by f179dj on Sat Nov 14 17:20:26 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 16:23:26 2009. "I think his name was Frank Askins. He was a strange fellow . . ."LOL *strange* is an understatement. He was nuts. His reputation preceded him. I was a brand new switchman and I got one of his "motorman, I need this train out of Brighton Yard in 10 minutes" requests. Yeah, right. I had 45-minutes to make up the train and I was not going to lose my job for him. The interval was ABDed. I did not (could not) know it at the time, but I think it was Askins who came up to me on morning as a B/O on the Q3A to complain that someone was smoking on the bus. Of course, I had to go through the routine; whether it was effective, I don't know, but he didn't come back to the front of the bus either. Austin and Faison I did not know. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 17:43:26 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Sat Nov 14 17:20:26 2009. Hey, that sounds like the kind of crap that Samuels at 95th Street would throw at me. When I was switching at 95 he would say, "take the train on 2Track and bring me back a good 8". Easy for him to say. This was around 8PM and getting into CI Yard was a chore all by itself. When I finally got into the yard the Y/M gave me a train. I gave it the proper okay and found that two cars had excessive long piston travel, I think it was 41/2 inches. I finally got back to 95 at around 2AM and the Midnight Disp. Eddie Teen (now this is a guy who was nuts but gave away overtime like it was packages of toilet paper) When I came in the next day it was the same spiel but he added "leave your microscope behind". I was halfway out the door and I stopped short. I politely asked that if he wanted to have me break the rules and cause an unsafe condition that I'd like to have a signed copy and I'd be more than happy to return in a quicker fashion. He didn't reply. I guess 'nuf said. LOL |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 14 20:02:20 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 16:23:26 2009. One thing about Frank Askins: he held grudges. If you had him on your bad side, you were branded for life. Fortunately, I got along with him fine. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 20:11:29 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 14 20:02:20 2009. Old saying, "you keep your friends close and your enemies closer". |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Nov 15 10:53:37 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 10 15:04:31 2009. You bet. |
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Posted by f179dj on Sun Nov 15 11:48:13 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Nov 14 17:43:26 2009. LOL. Those were the days.Used to work STL Mary on a regular basis on the PM's while on the list. Raoul Clarke would send me to CIY with a Mary and tell me to bring back eight and lay them up at Sheepshead Bay. Yeah, sit on the conga line trying to get into the yard for hours. Then wait while they found 8 "good" cars. Got one one night, it had broken windows and other problems. Had to wait around until they cut out the bad and added the good. Then there's the lay-up time, and deadhead back to STL on the midnight, etc., etc. O/T was plentiful, even if one did not want it. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Sun Nov 15 11:53:24 2009, in response to Some questions about the L, posted by insidetransitcom on Fri Nov 6 14:53:34 2009. 1. is the only visible difference btw the r143 and r160 the digital display inside the car where the posters are on the r160? anything else i should look for?No.. Flag on front above MTA logo - R143 Below logo - R160 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 11:54:32 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by rr4567 on Sun Nov 15 11:53:24 2009. this was already answered |
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Posted by rr4567 on Sun Nov 15 11:57:35 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 11:54:32 2009. Well I felt like contributing - even if redundant. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sun Nov 15 13:14:20 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 6 16:28:59 2009. I've been in R160 sets that have done 60 MPH. It all depends on the right conditions and who is operating |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Sun Nov 15 13:18:03 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by rr4567 on Sun Nov 15 11:57:35 2009. thank you rr for the info - always ignore trolls. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 13:45:21 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Sun Nov 15 11:48:13 2009. I made a killing with the overtime on R46 truck inspection. A double on my RDO, get to the back of the line on the Sea Beach, change ends at the highway, bring it to the yard. That took 6 hours right there! |
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Posted by f179dj on Sun Nov 15 15:03:49 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 13:45:21 2009. Truck inspection was a laugh. I worked it on the CI and Jamaica ends. Wait in line forever; then the inspection; then the lay-up. Loved it; easy money, while I had to do was sit in the cab and read/snooze. Beat working the road. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Nov 15 17:21:54 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Sun Nov 15 11:48:13 2009. Ah, but nothing could top the R46 cracked frame truck inspections at CI Yard. I believe they were built by Rockwell. I use to finish a PM tour on the N Sea Beach and then take an 8 car R46 from STL all the way to 36th Street and then south on the express track at 8th Ave. Interlocking beyond 59th Steet. More than a few times I watched the sunrise over Coney Island. Supported my drinking habit, bought a new car and put enough away to buy my house in the Poconos. Truly, the money was falling out of the sky. LOL |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 15 18:10:39 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by The Queen on Sun Nov 15 13:14:20 2009. I can believe it. The time I clocked the R-16 it was manhattan bound between E/Pky and Bway/Myrt and it was downgrade. The late trainmaster George Abere was the M/M at the time. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 15 18:15:56 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by rr4567 on Sun Nov 15 11:53:24 2009. You have it backwards. On the R-143, the flag is below, on the R-160 it is above. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 16 01:36:45 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 6 16:28:59 2009. R46 cars were programed to operate 65MPH where allowed in "regulated mode".. |
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Posted by f179dj on Mon Nov 16 10:10:54 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Nov 15 17:21:54 2009. Pennies (?) from heaven, lol. I used get sent north on the Sea Beach to Kings Highway, punch the call-on button on the side of some ancient signal, and turn south there. There would be five or six trains in front of me waiting to get into the yard. |
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Posted by f179dj on Mon Nov 16 11:40:19 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 16 01:36:45 2009. But I believe that capability was removed after the southbound collision at Fifth Avenue and 53rd Street.The R-46's were ahead of their times and I miss them (the OEM version, that is). All I could do is look at that 4-position dial for wayside and manual. Was not allowed to move it; probably would not have made a difference anyway. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 16 12:21:28 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by f179dj on Mon Nov 16 10:10:54 2009. You're right. Turn at Kings Highway. The turns at 36th Street was for the RR layups between 36th and 59th. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Mon Nov 16 12:25:54 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 15 18:15:56 2009. Yeah, you're right. My bad. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 17 23:18:50 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Nov 16 12:21:28 2009. They still do that, behind 30-Ball. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 17 23:20:00 2009, in response to Re: Some questions about the L, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 17 23:18:50 2009. Well, it's 30-Ball NOW under Murphy Tower. Don't know what it was way back when 36 Street still had its own little tower. |
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