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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 21:58:02 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Easy on Sat Nov 7 18:00:30 2009. Agreed.The entire Staten Island transit network went BUST because of all the extra riders headed to the parade that would normally be in their cars and SUVs. Everyone took the ferry or S53/S79 & R to the parade and the transit network out here simply could not handle it! It's a shame and definitely is the reason why SI's population is limited to a mere 500,000. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 22:00:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. I doubt Mike would sell Staten Island. It would probably be the SI residents themselves! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 22:02:03 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 7 20:36:20 2009. The MTA & NJT both knew so the DOT has no excuse. This is not the first ticker-tape parade we've had where there are large crowds. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 22:12:29 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:58:06 2009. Agreed! NJT is already close to half-way done with their new 8th St HBLR extension and it just started earlier this year. Here on Staten Island, the MTA and the city is on their 6th study of the North Shore Line but not a single shovel has touched the ground. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 7 22:13:49 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:58:06 2009. Lol @ thought of an SIR R44 with NJT logos.. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 22:19:49 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 7 22:13:49 2009. NJT R46s 
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:21:31 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by arnine on Sat Nov 7 20:21:51 2009. The BMT connection was south of 59 St/4 Ave.The IND connection was along Ft Hamilton P'way near The Narrows. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 22:25:08 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:18:21 2009. Exactly! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:25:08 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 22:02:03 2009. Likely it won't be the last. :( |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 22:25:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 22:19:49 2009. No such animal,As I said, it's getting old. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Nov 7 22:28:14 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 7 12:34:53 2009. YOU do. Most of the fans I meet have no idea. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 22:29:44 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:56:53 2009. Yup. Sure you might have angry folks wanting to damage the 'paid for by Bloomberg' plaques, but at least he'll be sure the stations are rebuilt on time and on budget. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 22:30:38 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:56:53 2009. Maybe Donald Trump should get in on the same thing. He likes to have his name on everything :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:32:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:15:00 2009. When did Moses start having tremendous political influence? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 22:36:25 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:32:01 2009. When he was alive!He always had it. Guess you don't think so. Let's agree to disagree then. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:46:12 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 21:58:02 2009. What was it like at 86 Street in Brooklyn where the buses from Staten Island go? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 22:46:24 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 22:25:36 2009. R33/R36 asked about NJT R44s, I responded. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 22:47:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 03:27:52 2009. Gonna hafta say you don't know me well enough to call me "little man"...Haven't been a "little man" since two years of age... So..how should I go there with you...? I'll be the "BIG MAN" here and say...You are wrong... Its not the fact that they were YANKEE FANS...they were subjected to the human condition..FIGHT OR FLIGHT. Each desired to gain access to the FERRY TERMINAL Each wanted to catch THAT BOAT... That does NOT MAKE SOMEONE A SAVAGE...OR AN ANIMAL. I say Your Opinion of PEOPLE is WRONG...that makes You an idiot.... LITTLE MAN. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:51:13 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 22:36:25 2009. What year did he start having and imposing influence? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 22:53:48 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:11:37 2009. Bill..it's not worth the time wasting it on "explaining" it to the 2 YEAR OLDS here...No mater WHAT you say...they will always know MORE than anyone else. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 23:07:44 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:57:54 2009. Doomsburg couldn't fix his way out of paper.. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 7 23:19:22 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 21:58:02 2009. It's a shame and definitely is the reason why SI's population is limited to a mere 500,000.You mean that the zoning of island by Department of City Planning had no role capping population? Even in a hypothetical world where they build some type of fixed link, the local area residents wouldn't fight tooth and nail against zoning for apartments which would change the character of their neighbourhoods? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 7 23:29:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Easy on Sat Nov 7 18:00:30 2009. The public transportation on Staten Island is badFrom what I remember, it's bad by NYC standards, but by Long Island Bus standards, it's rather generous. Isn't it basically buses with 20 minute headways and SIR with two tph off-peak? In my little quaint section of Nassau County, my local bus route runs 1 bus per hour with no supplemental peak service, and it ends at 7 PM... If you want better public transportation why not move to another area of the city whose location and density allows it? Or even New Jersey? I've jokingly said that Staten Island is home to NYC's white population that for some reason or another must remain in the city for residency requirements or some other reason, but can't afford more expensive areas like Bayside or Riverdale. Otherwise, they're left with older (and smaller) single family housing stock in mixed race or mostly black areas, or fake residency with a permanent residence in the suburbs. One could argue that they want high investment of transit, but without the density that some would argue is needed for sustainable service. Would you spend $10 to $20B to connect an island of 475K residents? I think the best option we're going to get would be a joint MTA-NJT-PANYNJ capital project to extend HBLR into Staten Island, and for the construction of the North Shore Line. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 7 23:39:40 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009. http://twitter.com/liliangarciaLooks like some savages at the parade attacked former WWE announcer Lilian Garcia. Tried to vic her iPhone. She's ok. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 23:54:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 7 23:29:57 2009. It's generous by NJT contract operation standards also. But then again, LIB and SEPTA (yes, I said SEPTA) are also generous by those standards. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:17:24 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Nov 7 23:29:57 2009. From what I remember, it's bad by NYC standards, but by Long Island Bus standards, it's rather generous. Isn't it basically buses with 20 minute headways and SIR with two tph off-peak? In my little quaint section of Nassau County, my local bus route runs 1 bus per hour with no supplemental peak service, and it ends at 7 PM...All that should matter is that it's bad by NYC standards. The way they run things out in Long Island has nothing to do with Staten Island and it's transportation issues! One could argue that they want high investment of transit, but without the density that some would argue is needed for sustainable service. Would you spend $10 to $20B to connect an island of 475K residents? I think the best option we're going to get would be a joint MTA-NJT-PANYNJ capital project to extend HBLR into Staten Island, and for the construction of the North Shore Line. In order for Staten Island to grow above the 500K pop. mark, it absolutely needs a new rail connection to SI. The Yankees Parade exemplified that because everything transit-related came to a near halt and that's with only SI's 475K population. Thousands of Staten Islanders who only normally ride the express bus or drive, took mass transit that day and it was miserable trying to get to/from SI. And that's with 475K people. It really shown how lacking SI's transit network is. I could not imagine how much worse it could be with a 500K+ population. There's a reason why the city invested in a Transportation Task Force for Staten Island and that's because the transit sucks and they finally realized it! If the city doesn't step up even further though, I wouldn't be surprised if there is another secession movement. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 8 00:17:29 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. We should move Staten Island to England where those blokes can deal with them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 00:21:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Nov 7 22:28:14 2009. How do you know he does? He could have looked that up online.If you ever meet him in person, you'll see that he talks way too much and often doesn't know what he's talking about. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 00:23:40 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:11:37 2009. Exactly, Bill. This situation and the SEPTA situation were completely different. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. Very wrong. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:24:12 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:46:12 2009. The line for the S53 stretched down to 86th St, curved around the corner and down 86th a bit. That's a long line! The S79's line also stretched around and down 87th St.It seemed like S93 Limited was temporarily suspended as I didn't see one the entire hour me and my group waited for the S53 around 6pm. But every single bus was crush-loaded and showing up at 10-15 minute intervals when they should be running every 6-10 minutes. Mind you, there was no traffic on the Verrazono. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 00:25:43 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:17:24 2009. Staten Island needs more population to justify a significant investment in transit, yet needs more transit before it can become more dense. It's a dilemma, but the question I have is whether SI residents want more density. If they wanted to live in a more densely populated area they wouldn't move to Staten Island, right? My impression is that Staten Islanders appreciate their relative isolation to some extent. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:28:43 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:11:37 2009. In the case of NY yesterday, I heard of no problems getting there because they were traveling during the tail end of the rush. The problem was getting out. The SI ferries were laid up not being used, with no additional headways offered. Same for the buses between Brooklyn and SI. The buses were available, but regular headways were operated, no extras. Last year, despite SEPTA running everything they had, it still wasn't enough. From what I know here, we did have to equipment but didn't use it.I could not agree anymore! All of the madness happened between 1pm and 4pm when the boats were still on 30 minute schedules. Extra ferries, extra buses and extra trains are all available at those times so none of this should have taken place. Especially because they SAW the crowds going to the city to the morning. Of course, they were going to be going home at some point. The only reason the S53/S79 got mucked up was because of the ferry madness. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 8 00:29:11 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. Aah, if there's anything us 4 boroughs people can all agree on, it's that Staten Island should be sold to New Jersey. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 00:44:33 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 8 00:29:11 2009. I know that you're joking, but that wouldn't be bad for Staten Island. They would have more political clout in NJ and would certainly get better transit options quicker. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:46:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 00:25:43 2009. Exactly!It seems like no one at the MTA or city knows what to do. A first step would be to allow NJT to extend their HBLR into Staten Island but then they would have to run trains every 2-3 minutes or so during rush hours to handle the new SI crowds on top of the current Bayonne crowds. And AFAIK, they've already re-zoned St. George and Tompkinsville to allow for skyscrapers to be built so a future population increase is already on the books. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 8 01:32:05 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 00:44:33 2009. Unless NJT were to buy those buses from NYCT, the MTA fleet would be much smaller and they wouldn't need so many Orion 7s to replace the older buses. |
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Posted by 9 local on Sun Nov 8 01:42:04 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 8 00:21:52 2009. Um...I am from a family of die hard Yankees fans. We can roll off the retired numbers like nothing. I've been a Yankees fan since the Kelly and Mattingly era (pre-Jeter, pre-Williams). You assume way too much. I've watched "It Don't Come Easy" about 50 times. I cheered for the Yankees through the bad days of the early 1990s and the mid-2000s, and have loved this team my whole life.Oh well, I'm not gonna let you spoil my night of glory with a 6-3 win over Hahvad (though had the refs been paying attention, it would've been 6-1). Just remember, although you don't love Jesus, he still loves you. Have a blessed day. |
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Posted by xtimx on Sun Nov 8 02:00:12 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 22:47:57 2009. so people getting into physical altercations over a ferry isn't savage behavior? whatever you say jerkoff. get trampled next time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 8 04:24:16 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:28:43 2009. I could not agree anymore!Why not? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 04:58:54 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:24:12 2009. It seemed like S93 Limited was temporarily suspended as I didn't see one the entire hour me and my group waited for the S53 around 6pm. But every single bus was crush-loaded and showing up at 10-15 minute intervals when they should be running every 6-10 minutes. Mind you, there was no traffic on the Verrazono.I thought so. MTA knew they didn't have enought buses to handle Yankee crowds going to/from Lower Manahttan. And shadow traffic was advising people to take mass transit. In fairness to DOT, it would have been a mess even if they used every ferry they had in use and in mothballs and borrowed boats from ferry services in the city. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 05:09:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sun Nov 8 02:00:12 2009. I told one person on facebook who wanted to go they'd need a Nation Guard to clear a path to the curve for a good peek. My nephew wanted to come into the city to see the parade. I told him not to because of the expected crowd. Unless he already had a window spot along Broadway to look out, it wouldn't be worth the effert. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 05:40:51 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 22:12:29 2009. That doesn't mean that NJT would make rail on SI a priority at all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 05:42:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 7 22:13:49 2009. Nope. If anything, the SIR would become a dumping ground for the aging Arrow IIIs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 05:42:16 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. Most likely can't be done without approval of Congress, and you can't exclude Albany. See Article 4 Section 3 of the US Constitution . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 8 05:43:17 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 00:44:33 2009. No, that's not likely.And integration into NJT's statewide database would be highly problematic. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:05:15 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 04:58:54 2009. Whenever these traffic reporting agencies say "use mass transit" they are really talking about rail transit becasue they know buses have very limited capacity and are subjet to the same traffic jams like an auto is subject to. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:12:49 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 22:51:13 2009. Every year during his career of building, building and building. For example, aren't you aware of the reason for the shape of the underpasses on the LI parkways? So trucks could never use the road unless the road becasue they couldn't fit! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 06:16:40 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:05:15 2009. Overall Wednesday was a day to stay away from Manhattan. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Nov 8 06:24:40 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:12:49 2009. Moses started with the Building of the Triborough Bridge sometime during the mid-late 1930's. The IND route was the late 1920's-early 1930's and the Triborogh and Dual Systems was even earlier. Something like the 1910's.I don't mind "agreeing to diaagree". I just want to make sure we both have the same time-line in mind. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 8 06:34:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 8 00:17:24 2009. Should SI ever succede, it would be a GREAT deficit cutting measure for MTA/NYCT because they would save money on:a) The free rides so many people get on SIR. b) Express bus deficits since it is by nature so peak oriented that buses are empty in the opposite direction or have to lay over on the mainland. Many bus operator runs pay well over 8 hours because of this. There is no turnover of revenue on express buses because once they get off, nobody gets back on to take their place, unlike what happens in the course of a route in Brooklyn or Manhattan or the Bronx. c) They even lose lots of $$ on local routes too. Inbound they crowd on and don't get off till the last stop and they all get on at the first stop outbound. There is very little turnover or passengers/revenue throught the entire route as well. |
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