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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009 The tremendous SI turnout to the Yankees Parade really shown how poor and lacking the SI Transportation Network is.The DOT should have known to expect large crowds on the SI Ferry yet they only ran the same normal 30 minute schedule. It wasn't until people started getting hurt, trampled and fist-fighting around 2pm that they attempted to add extra boats but not before shutting down the entire terminal itself. Every other transit agency had sufficient trains and buses to easily get the Yankees fans home but the idiots at DOT just sit back and do nothing to accommodate. They had to suspend service to Manhattan for a few hours and rush all the boats they could get to pick up the Manhattan crowd at the last minute. And the S53 wasn't any better. There were lines stretching from 87th & Bay Ridge down to 86th and around the corner!! The same could be said for the S79 too. Waits were up to around an hour for those standing at the the end of the line because no one thought to add any extra buses. And even the SIR nearly came to a halt too. With all those spare trains you would think the SIR would get supplementary service but that didn't fly either as trains were running 5-20 minutes late and missing ferry connections. 'It was chaos,' says commuter who was stuck in overcrowded Whitehall Ferry Terminal - SI Advance LINK STATEN ISLAND, NY -- When thousands of people packed into the Whitehall Ferry Terminal once the Yankees parade was over, waiting passengers began shoving from the back, crushing people together and separating children from their families, according to witnesses who called the Advance. Three people were injured and at least on person has been charged with assault, according to authorities. One person lost his shoes in the fracas and got on the boat wearing just socks. "It was insane, it was chaos," said one Islander who is in a band that participated in the Yankees parade on Broadway. He requested anonymity "There was too many people in the ferry terminal. They [didn't] have enough boats. When the boats came and the doors opened, everybody was shoving from the back. People just started shoving and shouting. It was out of control, out of control." Click here for audio of the witness account. Empty boats were reportedly brought to Whitehall from the St. George Ferry Terminal. One passenger said the Whitehall terminal was closed for safety reasons until enough people boarded boats, emptying the waiting hall sufficiently. "It was completely packed, there was no room to stand," said Nicole Polizzi, 19, of Grant City. "Everybody just bum rushed to get on the ferry. "People from the back were pushing, you were pinned in between everybody," said Cindi Wolf of New Jersey. Her face was pushed into a support pole in the waiting room. "It was like 1,000 degrees in there," said Rory Lastella, 29, of Port Richmond. "Once they opened the doors, everybody started pushing forward." |
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Posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. yankee fans are almost as classless and disgusting as phillies fans. animals can't even behave on public transportation. disgusting. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 01:18:16 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009. That ain't right at all... Plus most of them could be fair weather fans. Don't lump everyone under the same breath. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 01:18:28 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009. Actually, what happened was that NYCDOT pulled a SEPTA. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Nov 7 02:08:43 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 01:18:16 2009. This has been my experience with Yankees fans as well. Also obnoxious pricks who don't know their team history, i.e. when was the last time they won before 1996.They do have one thing on fans in most other cities-no real riot. No looting, no overturned cars, no bonfires... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 03:26:26 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009. Pot...meet Kettle. |
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Posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 03:26:51 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 01:18:28 2009. then what about the stories of people at the parade acting like animals? should the MTA have babysat them on broadway to stop them from acting like drunken morons? |
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Posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 03:27:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 7 03:26:26 2009. so you are saying i act like an animal on public transportation so i have no right to say the same about yankees fans?gonna have to say you are talking out of your ass little man. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 7 03:40:05 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Nov 7 02:08:43 2009. Exactly. |
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Posted by Chipper10 on Sat Nov 7 07:05:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 01:10:16 2009. Remains me of last year's SEPTA meltdown on it's REgional Rail and Broad St Subway south of City Hall during the Phillies Parade. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 07:08:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Chipper10 on Sat Nov 7 07:05:37 2009. I already said that. |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Sat Nov 7 07:40:42 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. This shows how poor Staten Island's transportation system is. I even bet allthe bridges leading out of the island were just as bad. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 08:25:34 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. My question would be: how did the DOT handle things during the previous "Canyon of Heroes" parades? Didn't these things start in 1961? So, let me see...since then they won the World Series in 1961, 1962, 1977, 1978, 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000.Yeah, I guess those weren't enough times to figure things out. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Nov 7 09:50:10 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 08:25:34 2009. As bad as the MTA can be, at least they make an attempt to handle special situations. The DOT is clueless and should stick to simple stuff like putting up one-way signs. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Nov 7 09:53:55 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 08:25:34 2009. And how many New Years Day celebrations were made with boats on 30/60 minute headways after the ball drops in Midtown????????What about the Persian Gulf War parade and the Nelson Mandela homecoming???? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 10:15:02 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Dan on Sat Nov 7 09:50:10 2009. And if the MTA or TA or BoT or NYC or BRT had built their subway to/from Staten Island, there probably wouldn't have been this mess! |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sat Nov 7 12:08:28 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. Yea I was affected by this yesterday.Was around the Castleton Depot area & started making my way @ 2:20. Got on the S44 @ 2:27 and made it to the Ferry with 9 minutes to spare! No ferry was there @ all! 1st ferry showed up @ 3:08 (Sprirt Of America) & that was packed solid! The next 1 showed up @ 3:14 (John F Kennedy)& that 1 was also packed solid! Did not start loading til 3:19. The JFK ferry became the super late 3 PM departure that left the dock over 25 Mins late! The ferry I was on was very crowded as it left late enough to take on many of the 3:30 passengers! After arrival, took the free shuttle van(Downtown Connection) & walk a little. Overall, my trip took an extra 1/2 an hour for a trip that is supposed to be about 1 hour 10 Mins! |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 7 12:34:53 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Nov 7 02:08:43 2009. 1978, before that 1977, then 1962 and 1961. I could go back all the way to the first title in 1923, but it's damn near 3am, and I don't need to. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:48:01 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Dan on Sat Nov 7 09:50:10 2009. Yeah, all pointing out of the City. That would cure any traffic jams. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 7 12:54:34 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 7 12:34:53 2009. Are you in Tokyo?!? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:57:54 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. And not a word of this on TV. DOT has always been clueless. They just finished a 7 year traffic study in Gravesend and Coney Island, and no one likes most of their recommendations which show little knowledge of the area they were studying. They call themselves "engineers" yet many of their recommendations only add to congestion not relieve it.Mayor Bloomberg campaigned under the promise that he would "fix up" the MTA. Maybe he needs to start with his own agency. He promised free crosstown buses if elected saying the savings in boarding time would pay for any lost revenue. Now a few days after the election, he has already back-tracked, saying it would cost too much and needs further study. Also he has refused to increase the City's contribution to the MTA budget. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 13:27:52 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 10:15:02 2009. Blame Robert Moses for that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 7 15:23:07 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:57:54 2009. Is this traffic study online? |
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Posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. "Hi, Governor Christie, it's Mayor Mike. We'd like to sell you Staten Island..." |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 16:46:36 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 13:27:52 2009. Can't blame Moses for decisions made during the Triborogh and Dual Systems days and the time the IND was being built. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 7 17:29:22 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 7 08:25:34 2009. Prior the mid-1970's, under Mayor Koch, the frequencies of the day-time and early evening boats was a boat every 20 minutes, and the mid-night schedule of boats was a boat every 30 minutes. (The rush hour schedule was much more generous, but then the two largest boats did not exist.)The city's fiscal crisis in the mid-1970's brought about stories in the papers and TV media about "empty midnight ferries". Remember "Ford To City - Drop Dead" and other headlines. So then Mayor Koch for a six-month period ended all midnight hour ferries from 12-midnight to 6am. Where then riders to/from Staten Island had to take a bus from Staten Island to the end of the RR-train in Brooklyn. At the time, in an editorial the New York Times called the whole affair a disgrace for the city - in leaving an entire borough without any real effective means of travel. When Mayor Koch restored the ferry service, where during the day-time, and evening hours where there were three boats an hour it became two boats - one every 30 minutes; where there were two hours an hour it became 1-boat an hour - one every 60 minutes. Since then generally except for the rush hours, the 30 minute waits for a boat were day-times, early evenings, weekend afternoons. The sixty minute waits for boats were the weekday and weekend midnight hours, early weekend mornings, and weekend evenings after 7 or 7:30pm. It is very rare for the ferry operators to add boats to the schedule when something is happening - except for some holidays. The usual practice over the years has been to provide a larger boat (if the manpower existed). Often however if there were any problems with the ferries, the usual practice that one can count on without even having to be there, is that the ferry operators will CUT SERVICE, leaving folks waiting as always for the boats. In addition, as usual there will be no information when the service will be started again, and few alternatives for travel. The penalty of Staten Island continues. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 7 17:32:57 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:57:54 2009. From a previous message: "Mayor Bloomberg campaigned under the promise that he would "fix up" the MTA. Maybe he needs to start with his own agency. He promised free crosstown buses if elected saying the savings in boarding time would pay for any lost revenue. Now a few days after the election, he has already back-tracked, saying it would cost too much and needs further study. Also he has refused to increase the City's contribution to the MTA budget. "Did you really expect any thing different? I really love the large blue in the ferry terminal about how Mayor Mike is going to get the MTA to fix the North Shore Rail Line on Staten Island! It is a complete show of contempt for the folks on Staten Island. Mike |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 7 17:57:46 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by 9 local on Sat Nov 7 12:34:53 2009. um, you could look all that up on the internet.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 7 17:58:42 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Chipper10 on Sat Nov 7 07:05:37 2009. Actually, it doesn't, and anyone who thinks way that is wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 7 17:59:10 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 01:18:16 2009. Of course it's not right, look who you are responding to. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 7 18:00:30 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 7 17:32:57 2009. The public transportation on Staten Island is bad and I expect that many people move there because that has effectively limited the population density. If you want better public transportation why not move to another area of the city whose location and density allows it? Or even New Jersey? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 18:58:50 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. lol! NYC probably can't even sell SI to NJ, they'd have to give it away. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 19:40:47 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 7 17:32:57 2009. "Did you really expect any thing different?"That is exactly what I expected which is why I voted for Thompson. But I'm sure a lot of people were fooled. Now they will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of us will also suffer. On Election night one interesting said by Gabe Pressman was the third term of every NYC Mayor who had one was a disaster. That included LaGuardia, Wagner, and Koch. Given that history he couldn't even understand why Bloomberg wanted it that badly. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 19:42:10 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 7 15:23:07 2009. I haven't looked but it should be mentioned somewhere on DOT's website. It's received aome coverage in the local neighborhood pages. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 19:42:50 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 18:58:50 2009. Let's have another boat race. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:57:30 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by QM18Express on Sat Nov 7 12:08:28 2009. The ferry system is pathetic. I'm amazed at how SI has NO RAIL link to NYC. A tunnel should've been put in years ago. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:58:06 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Clayton on Sat Nov 7 16:45:30 2009. Well at least NJT would make it a priority to improve the situation on SI. |
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Posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 19:59:40 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 7 17:59:10 2009. shut the fuck up you fucking nerd. i hope STANTEC cans your ass for being such a shit stirrer. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Nov 7 20:16:45 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 19:40:47 2009. IAWTP but how much would 1 bet that he tries for a fourth? |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Nov 7 20:21:51 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:57:30 2009. They did try years ago. Not sure why it did not continue. There are provisions built in Brookly for it, but cannot remember where |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 7 20:36:20 2009, in response to Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 7 00:48:08 2009. Maybe Ferry officials thought people would, you know, go to work and school on a workday and a schoolday .... |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 20:47:39 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 19:42:50 2009. lol, does the loser have to KEEP SI? :) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:11:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Ken S. on Sat Nov 7 07:08:01 2009. I disagree with you and I disagree with chipper10. And we went over this extensively last year with everybody's heels dug into their own hard assed opinions, but as I've said a number of times, memories are very short around here.In the case of Philadelphia, it was like trying to fit 10 lbs. of sugar into a 5 lb. bag. The trains WERE running at capacity, but there were too many people trying to get there at the same time and into a relatively small area. In the case of NY yesterday, I heard of no problems getting there because they were traveling during the tail end of the rush. The problem was getting out. The SI ferries were laid up not being used, with no additional headways offered. Same for the buses between Brooklyn and SI. The buses were available, but regular headways were operated, no extras. Last year, despite SEPTA running everything they had, it still wasn't enough. From what I know here, we did have to equipment but didn't use it. Of course, believe what you want to believe. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:15:00 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 7 16:46:36 2009. You should because Moses had tremendous political influence. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:18:21 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Nov 7 19:57:30 2009. What do you expect for a FREE SERVICE? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:23:56 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 7 12:57:54 2009. You're gullible for believing that liar of a mayor. He has a WISH LIST for how he feels the MTA should be ran, but he does not control it, he has 4 votes by the 4 puppets he appoints to the board who represents his wishes.If he wants to control NYCT subways and buses, he and he alone has to make up the deficit which he can't do. Unless transit workers become his slaves living in a tent city. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 21:25:10 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Dan on Sat Nov 7 09:50:10 2009. There are roads in Queens that really should be one way only. They are too narrow to be 2 way streets. And cars parked on both sides don't help the matter at all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 7 21:40:02 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by xtimx on Sat Nov 7 19:59:40 2009. pwn3d |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 21:51:37 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:23:56 2009. He could buy a few stations and have them fixed up on his on dime. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 7 21:56:53 2009, in response to Re: Yankees Parade = Staten Island Transit Disaster, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 21:51:37 2009. MTA may greatly appreciate his kindness. |
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