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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 5 19:20:33 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 19:03:19 2009. I have KYW news radio on. I'm waiting for anything. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 5 19:44:29 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 5 19:20:33 2009. No news except this:No end |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 20:45:03 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 5 19:44:29 2009. Uggh. Damn they are getting an 11.5% wage increase and still get 1% contribution for healthcare which is much better than most are getting right now. Then they fuss over a higher pension payment? Especially when many do not have one & many are losing theirs? Damm idiots if you ask me. I am tempted to say they should all be fired. I am sorry but that is too greedy, they should be ashamed. Also, Brown is making it too personal IMHO by name calling to the Mayor. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Nov 5 23:10:10 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 20:45:03 2009. Obviously you don't understand that the union opposes the proposed changes in pick rules and other working conditions than the wages. Of course all the media will tell the public is about money and nothing about work conditions and such. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 03:15:55 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jeromeline on Thu Nov 5 23:10:10 2009. Ok maybe it is also about the work conditions and pick rules, but that I know little of so I will take back some of what I said if it turns out to be that as right now all info I am getting is mostly from the media. If it was up here i'd have sources, but I have no sources down there excpet their media. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 6 05:32:38 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jeromeline on Thu Nov 5 23:10:10 2009. Very interesting, and if so, not really surprising:I'm wondering if this strike lasts beyond this afternoon, the NFL gets involved (at least behind the scenes). The last thing the NFL and NBC need is to have a half-empty Lincoln Financial Field for Sunday night's Cowboys-Eagles game because fans either can't get to the game due to no transit or people not driving in out of concern of having to get up earlier than usual to get to work the next day. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 08:43:26 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 20:45:03 2009. There is a new proposal on the table.It has been "tweaked". The latest word is the executive board will vote on it today.The people I talk to top feel it will be accepted. Then the union has to vote on it and approve it. SEPTA would like to get the afternoon rush hour started today, the problem is very few drivers would report for just a few hours work,like at the end of their runs. Stay tuned. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 09:07:09 2009, in response to Progress(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 08:43:26 2009. That is cool. I hope it gets approved on both sides. I'd think folks would still be smart to plan for no service until tomorrow (if the union accepts the deal) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 09:23:32 2009, in response to Re: Progress(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 09:07:09 2009. Saturday would be a better day to get the system running, IMHO. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 09:29:59 2009, in response to Re: Progress(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 09:23:32 2009. I totally agree. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 09:45:48 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 20:45:03 2009. "Damn they are getting an 11.5% wage increase and still get 1% contribution for healthcare which is much better than most are getting right now"Pay raise are to adress cost of living increases. the only problem is that the cost of living is down big time Makes no sense to give a raise. that is why people are against the "public option" for healthcare. Salary's should be based on MARKET RATES not fake gov rates. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 10:28:46 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 20:45:03 2009. "Damn they are getting an 11.5% wage increase and still get 1% contribution for healthcare which is much better than most are getting right now"Pay raise are to adress cost of living increases. the only problem is that the cost of living is down big time Makes no sense to give a raise. that is why people are against the "public option" for healthcare. Salary's should be based on MARKET RATES not fake gov rates. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 10:30:47 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 09:45:48 2009. False. Some companies do give COLA raises, but some give raises for good work, or by contract, or other reasons it is not mandated why to give raises. COLA raises are not required. What the TWU & SEPTA agree on for pay raises is up to them. I know my stuff on this as I have dealt with payroll and negotiation for years.Your a school teacher right? Well, the UFT I know negotiates raises for the teachers and it was more that just a COLA raise. I know this as 1 of my two jobs is with a DOE contractor and I get to talk to many teachers who tell me this including a UFT steward. These workers for SEPTA deserve raises just like the NYCT workers, but I am balking because their demand for lower pension contributions is rediculous when many are either losing all or part of their pensions or don't have one at all. I also think their lucky to have just a 1% healthcare is great I pay 35%. They should have taken the original deal and ran away with it. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 11:02:22 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 10:30:47 2009. Everyone wants to earn more money but in this economic climate it is crazy to think to award an 11% raise to anyone. PERIOD including teachers. States are facing huge budget gaps mainly because they granted huge raises when time were good knowing all well that times were never that good anytime in the past and could not remain good. to demand a raise on top of already generous raises in the past.The union leadership is too stupid to understand that without lower taxes, business moves out of state and the country further reducing what states and cities could pay in wages and pensions. I WANT MY PENSION IN PLACE WHEN I RETIRE NOT BANKRUPT. At the current rate it won't. Union leadership is only concerned about today and not the future of the workers they represent. Pay at NYCT , SEPTA, NYC DOE should be based on market rate. For teachers the market has already spoken. Prior to the right sizing of the salary structure NYC could not attract high quality teachers in fact most teaching positions in middle and high schools were either filled by unqualified people or out of certification people. As it is most teachers are working to the brink of nervous breakdowns in some schools and many reconsider whether the extra pay is worth it vs. private schools which pay less but have smaller class sizes and caring parents |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 11:25:29 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 11:02:22 2009. Union rejects offer. Nuts.Reject |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:32:26 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 09:45:48 2009. If the cost of living is down big time, and inflation is below zero (in NYC or nationally?) according to the editorial board in the rag called the Daily News, explain to me how so when: King Bloomberg raised parking meter rates to 25 cents for 20 minutes (from 30), why my auto insurance went up $75.00 despite the fact my car is 6 months older and I haven't had a single claim in the 6 years I've had the car, and why the Kings yes men on the water board shot up the rates by almost 60% in the past 3 years?Do you have to balls to tell your fellow UFT members that the city doesn't have money to give you guys a raise next time around? They endorsed Bloomberg in this election for past thank you's for the fat raise you guys got last time around. Transit workers with their zero wage increase come to work in snow storms while you guys and everybody else gets the day off. What's wrong with that picture? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:36:15 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 11:25:29 2009. I want to know what specific work rules are in duspute because I have a feeling this is what is holding everything up. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 11:37:56 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:32:26 2009. Bill, please send me an email.Chuck |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 11:42:30 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:32:26 2009. Bill please dont waste your time.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 11:43:12 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:36:15 2009. Yes i would like to know this as well. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 12:32:27 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:32:26 2009. Most items in that make up the cPI were down and showing deflationary trends"why my auto insurance went up $75.00 despite the fact my car is 6 months olde" Auto insurance is based on credit score and claims not by you but in your area. all those people burning there leased cars can be to blame State farm lowered my insurance on my 2007 car. I was able to buy clothing and other items at steep discount. Gas prices are down vs last year. Someone has to pay for raises and the public in terms of fares and taxes has had enough A pay raise followed by tax increases results in LOWER take home pay for union workers in the city not more. So basically it is not a raise it is a pay cut |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 13:04:14 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 11:02:22 2009. You live in a bubble, don't ya? The teachers IINM got a pretty decent raise and must have because the mayor is now saying NYCT shouldn't get the same raise. It doesn't matter about the economy, these guys & girls deal with a lot more than most.You work in a school and you know who your dealing with and have on site security. These guys & girls do not know who they're dealing with. They never know if they're gonna get hurt. They always have their patience tried by passengers on a much bigger scale then most. I am not a front line worker, but I KNOW how HARD it is to work with the public especially public that think everything is your fault, and I get that A LOT and can you imagine what a front line employee gets. They also have to work in conditions far more hazardous than most. The steel dust, the soot and all that crap. So before you start spouting this BS think a little. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 13:04:38 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 11:02:22 2009. You live in a bubble, don't ya? The teachers IINM got a pretty decent raise and must have because the mayor is now saying NYCT shouldn't get the same raise. It doesn't matter about the economy, these guys & girls deal with a lot more than most.You work in a school and you know who your dealing with and have on site security. These guys & girls do not know who they're dealing with. They never know if they're gonna get hurt. They always have their patience tried by passengers on a much bigger scale then most. I am not a front line worker, but I KNOW how HARD it is to work with the public especially public that think everything is your fault, and I get that A LOT and can you imagine what a front line employee gets. They also have to work in conditions far more hazardous than most. The steel dust, the soot and all that crap. So before you start spouting this BS think a little. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 13:08:50 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 11:25:29 2009. I agree it is nuts, but I think Nutter is grasping at straws too. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 13:10:30 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 11:25:29 2009. I agree it is nuts, but I think Nutter is grasping at straws too. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Nov 6 13:58:45 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Fri Nov 6 10:28:46 2009. I hear that the cost of living is about to explode. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 14:35:50 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. Just received this news.(It seems like a fair offer to me) Whether SEPTA will agree to this ,is unknown,. The Transport Workers Union may be ready to present a counter offer to SEPTA, which could bring an end to the strike, sources told NBC Philadelphia. The union may offer to end the citywide transit strike if the transportation authority agrees to bring in a third-party arbitrator to handle future contract negotiations, sources said. An announcement is expected to be made later Friday afternoon. This latest news comes after a roller coaster two days of hot and cold union talks with Gov. Ed Rendell and U.S. Rep. Bob Brady. Chuck Greene |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 15:10:02 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 14:35:50 2009. Actually I think that is fair |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Fri Nov 6 15:45:51 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 11:36:15 2009. The dispute seems to be over Pensions they want the workers to contribute more. I am trying to keep up to date with it since I can see the local phila stations. I am kind of ticked off at SEPTA workers right now but I get over it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 18:34:39 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. The roller coaster ride continues.Another angle |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 18:45:25 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 18:34:39 2009. Well, I still think IMHO the union is wrong. They should have taken the deal from the beginning. But, SEPTA should take the arbitration idea. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 19:51:21 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 13:04:14 2009. Thank you. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 19:55:46 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 6 14:35:50 2009. If SEPTA feels they lose will they try to get it overturned by the courts?NYCT vs. TWU/100 2009! |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 20:07:56 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 19:51:21 2009. Just saying the truth. Folks do not even think of or care about the crap you guys get and have to deal with.I am lucky I work for MNR which has many of the same issues but not as bad or in as large a magnitude of you guys & girls. Frankly I am sick of seeing you guys & girls get screwed. I may not agree with the TWU in Philly, but here I support you guys & girls 100% in the dispute with the MTA. Arbitration made their determination and IMHO they should respect that. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 20:09:26 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 19:55:46 2009. Treu but to me that is still BS what NYCT is doing, they should respect the arbitration. Why even agree to do it if you are not going to like the outcome? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Nov 6 20:35:32 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 15:10:02 2009. It could be, but it's kinda all or nothing. Either SEPTA's offer is accepted or the union's offer is accepted. There doesn't seem to be a happy medium... |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 20:41:09 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Nov 6 20:35:32 2009. Well, right now IMHO SEPTA's ariginal offer was still bery fair given current conditions. I am sorry but a 1% healthcare contribution is a very good deal. Also, to be arguing for a lower retirement contribution when many people are losing theirs (e.g. airlines) or having theirs cut is just greed. I think they will still come out pretty damm good no matter which way the arbitrator decides. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 20:57:38 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 20:07:56 2009. In arbitration, there is a winner and there is a loser. As far as I know, both sides have to agree with the 3 individuals selected to the panel to decide on the terms of the contract. The selection of the union leader, Roger Toussaint, naturally would be on the side of the union. Then there was one who was figured to be on the side of management. These 2 cancelled each other out. It was figured that the unpredictable one was going to be John Zuccotti.Supposedly he "voted" on the side on the union, but he still saved NYCT lots of money by granting 0% for the first 3 months (a 100% loss of retrocative pay, a first) 2% in April 2009 and 2% in October 2009. NYCT would be paying out more if the panel granted the full 4% as of 1/15/09. the expiration date of the old agreement. NYCT's excuse is they have no money, I never saw (the old) managements proposal since both sides threw their hands up and ceased negotiating long before 1/15/09 to enjoy the holidays. It was assumed NYCT wanted to offer NOTHING in wages. Why should they? They know they have us by the balls with the Taylor Law, they know we can't afford to strike again both as individuals and as a union so there is no incentive to give TWU anything. Since MTA management feels they lost, they go to court. If TWU felt they were the losers they can do the same but NYCT can out lawyer the union any day of the week since they have more lawyers, more money to afford them with the court of public opinion on their side. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 21:00:44 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 20:57:38 2009. That is all true, but still think the system is wrong. I think you guys deserve much better too. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 21:07:44 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 20:09:26 2009. Because the new MTA administration did not agree to the people selected to the arbitration panel even though they were not yet in power?That the decision made by this arbitration panel, the terms of which this new administration does not like, has to be accepted by them who never had chance to present their side of the story ? |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Nov 6 21:38:28 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 21:07:44 2009. Yes they still need to respect it. Administrations change and the new one needs to respect the old one's agreements.For example, Obama came in and had to inherit Bush's mistakes and agreements, so should the new MTA administration |
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