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TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009

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NEC, NJCL & Midtown Direct trains experiencing 60-90 minute delays due to Amtrak power problems at Portal Bridge. PATH cross-honoring at NWK, HOB and 33rd St.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by thetzar on Thu Nov 5 20:54:23 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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That's the plan...

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:55:31 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by thetzar on Thu Nov 5 20:54:23 2009.

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I meant that in the sense of the classic Astoria El thread.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 5 21:32:59 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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If you said a power issue, sounds like it is not the bridge itself, but some kind of issue in the power system to the catenary there.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 21:35:02 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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Ken, please don't shout.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 21:35:27 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 5 21:32:59 2009.

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You just ruined a semi-joke. Portal Drawbridge is a source of major drama in this area. You remember the derailment there a while ago because the bridge didn't lock properly or something?

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 5 21:37:35 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 21:35:27 2009.

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Sounds like the old Pequonnock (if I spelled that right) River Bridge in Bridgeport, CT (MNR New Haven Line, CP 256), in its grand ol' days before it got torn down and replaced.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 21:38:08 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 21:35:02 2009.

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Can I get some free Metro-North rides?

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by arnine on Thu Nov 5 21:56:15 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 21:38:08 2009.

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Where you wanna go? I will see what I can do.

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TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 5 22:23:42 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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Too many delays on the A line.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Nov 5 22:36:01 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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Amtrak has already replaced one bridge on the NEC in CT. and is planning to replace a second. Why isn't the Portal bridge at the top of the list being the bridge has a higher amount of traffic ? I am sure some Federal funds could be found for the project.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 5 22:43:47 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 5 22:23:42 2009.

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Yes, Far Rockaway residents can swim their asses across the channel for all I care.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 22:47:31 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 5 22:43:47 2009.

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Maybe we can package the Rockaways with Staten Island in an attractive sales pitch to New Jersey for purchase?

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 5 22:49:47 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 5 22:23:42 2009.

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Custom parts must be made and are being fabricated. The problem is electrical connections when the bridge closes.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 5 22:50:29 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 22:47:31 2009.

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Do you think New Jerseyians are so stupid?

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Nov 5 22:51:08 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Nov 5 22:36:01 2009.

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It is; the project is supposed to start soon, if it hasn't already started.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 5 23:05:04 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 22:47:31 2009.

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Wow you two are a riot!

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 23:49:18 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 5 22:50:29 2009.

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Not at all, only Riverdale residents.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Nov 6 00:10:10 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Nov 5 22:36:01 2009.

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Relief will come from THE TUNNEL project.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 00:12:00 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Nov 6 00:10:10 2009.

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No it won't. You're wrong.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 6 00:39:00 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 23:49:18 2009.

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You mean the embarrassment of the Riverdale Community?

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Nov 6 01:30:06 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 5 22:23:42 2009.

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You think it's bad now,
wait until the people out there have to take a shuttle bus from B90 St to Rockaway Blvd!

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 6 05:01:38 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 5 22:49:47 2009.

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I've been noticing it takes longer for the bridge circuits to lock once power is reconnected.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 6 05:05:00 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 6 05:01:38 2009.

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Salt air works wonders for electrical connectors. :(

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 06:49:58 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Nov 5 22:49:47 2009.

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When I made up the sub-thread, it was a sarcastic way of me saying that doing something like I "suggested" was a dumb as saying to close down the Portal Bridge as was "suggested" in the initial thread becasue no matter what the problems, both spans are sorely needed by the passengers to get to where they're going. At least in the case of the portal bridge, a replacement is on the horizon, for the South Channel bridge, well, after my lifetime.

Lately, passengers on the A line have been delayed much more often lately over bridge openings. Yes, the ships have the right of way, but the adventure has been getting it closed and locked after passage. IIRC on Tuesday or Wednesday morning about 6:40 AM, the bridge was opened and there was at least a 20 minute stoppage of A service delaying passengers AND CREWS.

Don't mind me, but we know who the passengers blame for this: the front line employees: the t/o's and c/r's.



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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 06:55:20 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Nov 6 00:10:10 2009.

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Absolutley wrong.

THE TUNNEL has nothing to do with it because the Portal Bridge crosses the Hackensack River and THE TUNNEL crosses the Hudson River.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Nov 6 12:12:03 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Nov 6 00:10:10 2009.

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Sort of. The projects complement each other, but aren't tied together. The new Portal Bridge is going to be constructed with the new tunnel in mind.

http://www.portalbridgenec.com/

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/01/01/portal-bridge-replacement-approved/

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:23:42 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 21:35:27 2009.

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How often is this bridge opened?

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:25:16 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Clayton on Thu Nov 5 22:47:31 2009.

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I say we simply slap a return label on Staten Island. That 300 year free trial is set to expire and I want my money back.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:28:10 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Nov 5 22:36:01 2009.

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It's replacement is tied into THAT TUNNEL. It will actually be replaced by two bridges.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:29:42 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Nov 6 06:55:20 2009.

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Not true. The bridge replacement project will be tied into the new NJT tunnel project. If you've seen the plans of what's replacing it, you'll note the bridge and tunnel project will have to be co-ordinated.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 6 12:30:54 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 6 05:05:00 2009.

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So does sea gull poop!

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 13:05:03 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:29:42 2009.

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False, portal bridge is its own project.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 13:53:55 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:28:10 2009.

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No, it's a completely separate project from THE tunnel, and the only connection is that its being built to be compatible with the tracks planned to run to and from THE tunnel. If THE tunnel was not being built, PORTAL BRIDGE would still need to be replaced. The project would still exist. The replacement bridge might just look a little different.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Nov 6 13:54:06 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 12:28:10 2009.

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One has nothing to do with the other, but without Portal, the tunnel won't be as useful as it could be.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 14:02:44 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Nov 6 13:54:06 2009.

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Thank you.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 14:04:45 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Nov 6 13:54:06 2009.

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One has nothing to do with the other,

Not true, the tunnel and bridge replacement go hand in hand.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 14:05:28 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 13:05:03 2009.

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Did I say they were the SAME project?


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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 14:18:14 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 14:04:45 2009.

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You are selectively quoting again.

He said, "One has nothing to do with the other, but without Portal, the tunnel won't be as useful as it could be."

So no.

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 6 14:18:48 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 6 12:30:54 2009.

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Heh. Well ... at least the third rails'll be insulated against that ice. :)

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 6 14:18:52 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 6 14:05:28 2009.

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You said "Not true" to what Bill said.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 6 21:44:22 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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PATH cross-honoring at NWK, HOB and 33rd St.

That sounds unconstitutional. :-)

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Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Clayton on Fri Nov 6 22:47:03 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE SOUTH CHANNEL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 6 00:39:00 2009.

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Ding ding ding!

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 7 02:08:16 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 5 20:49:42 2009.

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It would make more sense to tear down the Hackensack River. Would be a good first try before tearing down the East River.

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Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!

Posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 7 09:06:01 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN PORTAL BRIDGE!!!!!!!!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 7 02:08:16 2009.

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After all that, tearing down the Hudson should be child's play.

your pal,
Fred

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