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SEPTA Strike or not? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009 SEPTA strike |
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Posted by Nabinut on Sun Oct 25 11:32:28 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. It's the same old issues and no one is willing to make any compromises. If the workers strike this time, I think there will be a backlash on both sides by riders |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Oct 25 13:37:07 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. Well, I hope they do what is right, which I am not sure of since I am not privvy to the data. But, if they do strike they should do it in time for the World Series which can force SEPTA to settle quickly. But, I think both sides IMHO need to compromise. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 13:42:18 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Nabinut on Sun Oct 25 11:32:28 2009. not clear how Philly residents get vengence on SEPTA--isn't the board made up of appointees including the suburbanites who are usually willing to take a City Division strike? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 15:19:06 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 13:42:18 2009. Latest news from KYW.Strike can be called Now we'll see what the union does. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 15:26:35 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 15:19:06 2009. welcome back to the arguments about Taylor, arbitration, public necessity and convenience, etc. I DO NOT wish to rehash them in full. I will say I am under the impression that the suburban/urban divide is a lot more ugly in SEPTA territory than in some others. As well, IINM Harrisburg's attitude (that is, the Philly despising reps from much of the rest of the state) is not very helpful either. Corrections of error invited--it is 40 + years since I lived in Germantown commuting on the RDG or PTC to a bookstore long since closed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 16:38:37 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Nabinut on Sun Oct 25 11:32:28 2009. Expand that; there may be a nationwide backlash against the TWU of America in all likelihood; this would cause major problems with the World Series. I expect that a 60-day cooling off period may well be sought. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 16:39:41 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 13:42:18 2009. Yes. However, this time, you have the little issue of a World Series and stranded fans. This would be played all over the evening news and backfire royally on the union. Then management could dig in their heels. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 16:47:42 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 16:39:41 2009. yeah, almost as smart as just before Xmas, no? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 16:47:44 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Sun Oct 25 13:37:07 2009. The city will choke w/o SEPTA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 17:20:21 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 16:47:42 2009. Difference: this one may well be what breaks the camel's back. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 18:56:53 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 25 13:42:18 2009. As a SEPTA rider, 90% of it's ridership (Including yours truly) are people w/ no other option. That number is close to 100 when you take away the RR system.SEPTA can rape Philadelphias simply becuase they [residents] have no choice but to take it. It's not like NYCT which has the Manhattan set with the connections and money to rasie hell. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Oct 25 20:17:51 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. A respondent on Philly.com wrote this statement [and backed it up with facts and figures] and I wholeheartedly share his feelings; THE TWU IS OUT OF THEIR FRAKIN MINDS!"Unbelievable. Does this Union live in a bubble? They want 4% raises when many of the rest of us are taking pay CUTS---that is if we're lucky enough to have kept our jobs. Some stats they should consider: 1) The Philadelphia Area experience the largest year-over-year decline in food and energy prices since 1959, with housing experiencing only a modest increases. This means we're in a period of deflation, indicating that without getting a nominal payraise, SEPTA workers have received a payraise in real terms as the money they earned goes farther. The year-over-year decline in CPI was 1% in August, but food and energy were even bigger in Sept at -3.9% and -9% respectively. 2) Philadelphia area wages decreased by 1% year-over-year in August. 3) The Philadelphia Metropolitan area had a 10.7% unemployment rate in August and had lost over 90,800 jobs between Sept '08 and Sept '09. So while the rest of us don't have the job security of a job at SEPTA, we're getting laid off at a greater and greater rate and making less money if we have or get a job, these yahoos want a freakin' 4% payraise!!!!!! And they'll strike during the World Series too? Nobody will cry if you MORONS get fired for striking in the middle of a recession... and the World Series. Get a grip." These assholes are in la-la-land! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 20:27:34 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 18:56:53 2009. However, what about the World Series, especially Game 4? |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Oct 25 20:52:07 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 16:38:37 2009. I was under the impression that the "cooling off period" only applied to the railroads. Of course, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on labor law or even an attorney, but does the cooling off period only apply to railroads or are all labor disputes covered? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 21:03:59 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Oct 25 20:17:51 2009. Bad News |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 21:05:24 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 20:27:34 2009. They don't give a shit. Why would they? City Hall and or Fast Eddie in Harrisburg will give them what they want if they pull a stunt like that.Don't worry thou, Philly has already mulled closing all city libaries other than the one in CC, and I'm sure cuts to the Police, Fire and Schools are not far behind. Maybe giving away the store in union contracts wasn't such a good idea..... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 21:12:57 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Oct 25 20:52:07 2009. You're right; it may be just railroads and airlines. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 25 21:13:09 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. a blog post: SEPTA city transit union votes to authorize walkout |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 21:13:33 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 21:05:24 2009. However, this would play out on the national media stage. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 21:35:42 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 25 21:13:09 2009. Thanks, my post above yours has the same thing.SEPTA wants to give the union , zero, zero, 2% & 2% in the next four years. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 21:38:48 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 21:13:33 2009. No, it wouldn't. Yeah, maybe Joe Buck will say something snarky, but seriously, who'd care?It's sad, becuase most people who ride SEPTA desperately need that service, but again, alot of people view the needs of Inner-City Philadelphia as disposable, especally out here in the suburbs. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 21:41:28 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Oct 25 20:17:51 2009. Most unions in general are in La-La land. CA and NY are going to default pretty soon and the public employees out there are wistling dixie. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 25 21:58:32 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 21:03:59 2009. Good news: that's my photo :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 22:09:56 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. They are talking.Talking |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 22:10:31 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 25 21:58:32 2009. Nice photo!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 25 22:25:33 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 22:10:31 2009. Thanks! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Oct 25 22:34:40 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Oct 25 21:38:48 2009. If you saw thousands of empty seats at CBP and The Linc next Sunday because of a SEPTA strike, then it would embarass the city and I suspect there would be a massive backlash against the TWU as that would have to be explained to a national TV audience that otherwise would be claiming that "baseball is dying," particuarly by those who don't live anywhere near here. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Oct 25 22:50:49 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 21:35:42 2009. That looks like my pay at Lincoln Financial. I got NOTHING this year [and survived a MASSIVE purge back in the spring], and it seems that next year I won't get shit either. On top of this, we just got the details on our health benefit plans, and our share of the costs will go up considerably, with increased co-pays and deductibles and increased cost of employees' contribution.Public sector unions like the TWU gotta bite the bullet like the rest of us in private industry. Their generous current contract is not playing well with the suffering public. If I was unemployed, I would apply for a job at SEPTA, and take it and like it, unlike these ingrates. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Oct 25 22:58:34 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Oct 25 22:50:49 2009. Nothing is stopping you from applying to SEPTA for a job and become one of those ingrates. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 26 15:04:54 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. An unconfirmed source has told me the new SEPTA contract is signed, sealed & delivered.The rest of this this week is just theatrics, because of some small thing they took from the union.Stay tuned........ |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Oct 29 15:28:32 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Nabinut on Sun Oct 25 11:32:28 2009. Latest from The Metro.SEPTA Strike |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 31 16:21:14 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Nabinut on Sun Oct 25 11:32:28 2009. WPVI and Fox both confirm this - NO STRIKENO STRIKE |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 31 18:06:42 2009, in response to NO STRIKE (was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 31 16:21:14 2009. From the SEPTA site:No strike -SEPTA |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Oct 31 18:53:18 2009, in response to NO STRIKE (was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 31 16:21:14 2009. Good to hear. Thanks. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 15:48:03 2009, in response to Re: NO STRIKE (was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Oct 31 18:53:18 2009. Inching closer to an agreement.Getting Closer |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Nov 2 16:09:45 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 16:38:37 2009. idiots people don't have jobs. the economics of the country have changed. Raises are for cost of living. The cost of living in the last twelve months is down BIG time.I was just able to buy an entire kitchen set glasses, dishes, flatware for 12 for under $5. top quality too. costs of housing is down 30% |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Nov 2 16:32:23 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 25 21:12:57 2009. I thought it was just the railroads. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 16:55:38 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Nov 2 16:09:45 2009. Social securiry recipients (like me) are getting zero raises next year.Cost of living, like you said,is down. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 17:01:46 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 16:55:38 2009. Social Security recipients.... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 3 04:42:41 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 25 11:15:10 2009. |
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Posted by The I MAN on Tue Nov 3 05:18:58 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 3 04:42:41 2009. If Philly comes back and wins the next two games to take the World Series and there is no transit service to the Parade, the Union will be baked and broiled! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 05:23:07 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 3 04:42:41 2009. A SEPTA bus driver called me at 5AM, with this news. People are stranded on street cornier, waiting or buses that will never come.What a shock. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 05:37:59 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 05:23:07 2009. SEPTA kept the system running for The World Series. I heard they had a offer on the table for 3 days, that was fair to the workers and at 2AM last night pulled it off the table, so the strike was called. |
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Posted by neolife07 on Tue Nov 3 05:50:43 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by The I MAN on Tue Nov 3 05:18:58 2009. Let em burn! |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 06:10:27 2009, in response to SEPTA Strike(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 05:37:59 2009. Damm, that sucks now the people of Philly are hurting:( |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 06:18:17 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 06:10:27 2009. As are the workers sorry meant to say that too. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 07:22:58 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 06:18:17 2009. From a reliable source. The strike is not over economic issues, they were going to give them 11-1/2% over 5 years,0, 2 1/2, 3 ,3 & 3 and a $1250.00 signing bonus. The pension was raised a meager amount, but acceptable.The main issue was that seniority and picking rights of the maintenance employees could not be guaranteed, so an employee would have to work anywhere. SEPTA kept saying "We will be fair with this and do the right thing". This language is not binding and vague for the workers so they went on strike. Unfair |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 07:44:58 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 07:22:58 2009. No I understand. I still am unsure if this was the right way to call the strike, but I guess it was better in the middle of the night versus in the middle of rush hour. But, I do feel for the workers but the public sentiment as usual will not be with them. I hope this gets resiolved soon.I do have a question, I am not wishing it but how come the Regional Rail employees aren't out in sympathy? Just curious. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Nov 3 07:52:08 2009, in response to Re: SEPTA Strike(was)Re: SEPTA Strike or not?, posted by arnine on Tue Nov 3 07:44:58 2009. I believe they're covered by railroad laws that prohibit strikes. |
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