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"Take The Train To The Plane"

Posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009

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Do you remember the old JFK Express and did you ever try it?

It had a blue route bullet with a white plane silhouette and made only one stop in Brooklyn during its' time with us.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 12:38:18 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Never rode it. But I found this.



Talk about the cheese factor in the commercial.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by f179dj on Fri Sep 25 13:00:39 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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I operated it. Later supervised it.

Great experience. Had the right of way over everything else on the road. Those held behind red home signals, of course, will think otherwise. Nice while it lasted.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Sep 25 13:07:24 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by f179dj on Fri Sep 25 13:00:39 2009.

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Some towers still have punch indicators for "JFK".

At West 4th Street Tower, when I trained there, I received a print-out of basically a manipulation chart for common moves. It mentioned the levers necessary to route the JFK Express.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by f179dj on Fri Sep 25 13:15:06 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by G1Ravage on Fri Sep 25 13:07:24 2009.

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Should have been easy. Come in against the wall on 6th; cross over to 8th; opposite coming northbound.

Many a night I was held northboud o/s W4 and had to watch that little blue meatball go by first. But when the shoe was on the other foot, priceless.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 13:28:04 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by f179dj on Fri Sep 25 13:00:39 2009.

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If ridership didn't kill it, the 63 Street connection would have in the end; no easy place to turn it in Manhattan anymore without going up Central Park West.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 13:45:52 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 12:38:18 2009.

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Interesting commercial; I notice they say "Avenue Of The Americas".

The second commercial mentions "over one million people" have ridden the J.F.K. Express.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 13:50:31 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 13:45:52 2009.

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Should be: Over 1 million suckers.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 25 14:00:40 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 13:50:31 2009.

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Ha, especially when the A train costsno more than a regular fare and only 20 minutes longer from Manhattan - - - to the same station and bus transfer as the JFK Express.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 25 14:20:25 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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I wrote the first timetable for the JFK Express. The then Chief Schedule Maker came up with a set of running times and I suggested doing a physical running time check and he said it wasn't necessary. After the first timetables were printed, we discovered that a JFK had been scheduled to pass an A train on the same track at Utica Av. At that point, a special light train was assigned and I and another schedule maker along with Trainmaster Nat Ford who later became Chief Transportation Officer did a complete running time check in the rush hour and realizing that even a train bypassing stations on the same track as a train stopping at these stations needed the same running time as the train making the stops we rewrote the timetables to reflect the reality of the situation.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 14:38:37 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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It's funny how this topic keeps being resurrected every few months.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 14:42:47 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 25 14:00:40 2009.

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Oh yes, the bus...the one that in busy travel seasons would have gotten bogged down around the then Terminals 8/9 (now just Terminal 8).

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Sep 25 15:13:56 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 13:45:52 2009.

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Interesting commercial; I notice they say "Avenue Of The Americas".

Why is it that corporate types cannot speak English?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by TheCiskoKid on Fri Sep 25 16:04:58 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 14:38:37 2009.

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It certainly beats the rehashing of the "Howard Beach Air Train double fare" debate

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 16:09:48 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 14:38:37 2009.

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I apologize, Dave.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 16:11:28 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Sep 25 15:13:56 2009.

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Good question.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Sep 25 16:13:33 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Sep 25 15:13:56 2009.

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They lack the strategic vision that will empower them to enhance their capacities to leverage syngeries across communications media.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Charles G on Fri Sep 25 16:16:37 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 12:38:18 2009.

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Nice find. That dopey jingle has been stuck in my head for 30+ years...

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 25 16:38:55 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Yes I rode it once. 1986. R46 #1212-1213-1209-1197-1196 sez my numbers book.

-w-


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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 17:14:08 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 16:09:48 2009.

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No need to apologize! I just found it funny how certain topics come up again and again. Any day now we should see a "new" thread on 76th St....*g*

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 17:16:37 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 17:14:08 2009.

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Dammit! They put in a speed restriction there too!



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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Sep 25 17:21:54 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 16:11:28 2009.

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Do you mean why do they say "Avenue Of The Americas"?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by poobaa on Fri Sep 25 17:26:34 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Dave on Fri Sep 25 17:14:08 2009.

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What is 76th St ? :>)

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Sep 25 17:29:41 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by f179dj on Fri Sep 25 13:00:39 2009.

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The only exception to the JFK NOT having the right of way over everything else on the road was when the train had to travel to south of Howard Beach on the s/b track; then chamge ends to pull into the station because of a road train.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by SLRT on Fri Sep 25 17:32:21 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 25 16:38:55 2009.

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A five-car R46?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Sep 25 17:46:09 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by poobaa on Fri Sep 25 17:26:34 2009.

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It was an el station on the UES.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 25 18:48:20 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 25 16:38:55 2009.

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They ran 6-cars IIRC. I think I might have missed a number when I jotted them down.

-w-

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 25 18:55:05 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 25 18:48:20 2009.

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Most JFK trains were 4 car..before the 44's..3 car 46 were used..

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by JohnL on Fri Sep 25 20:09:45 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 25 18:55:05 2009.

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…with two of them usually locked off and everyone crowded into one, luggage and all.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 25 20:16:29 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Yes, no and yes. Unsuitable compared to the A express train to Howard Beach.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by B1bus on Fri Sep 25 21:22:38 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by JohnL on Fri Sep 25 20:09:45 2009.

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During evening hours, it served as a shuttle to from 57 to 50 st when no other service was running.
Also, during AM shoulder, there was a single track shuttle from S/B F track to 57 st.
Also, I used to ride from 50 to 57 st when I missed a Q train.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 25 21:58:27 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by TheCiskoKid on Fri Sep 25 16:04:58 2009.

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Sir, you are a very smart man.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 25 21:58:27 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by TheCiskoKid on Fri Sep 25 16:04:58 2009.

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Sir, you are a very smart man.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 25 21:58:27 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by TheCiskoKid on Fri Sep 25 16:04:58 2009.

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Sir, you are a very smart man.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by WayneJay on Fri Sep 25 21:59:25 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Remember it well. I rode it once when I arrived on a late flight at JFK as I didn't want to deal with a late night local A train. We used to watch the JFK Express with envy. It had it's dedicated fleet (33 of them) of clean R-46s and had priority over everyhting else on the road. I remember from time to time you could see it using a 4-car R-46 consist from Jamaica's fleet with the signs displaying S-Special. Anyone remember when the occasional 4-car R-38 would show up on the JFK Express?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 26 03:19:22 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Sep 25 16:13:33 2009.

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You win buzzword bingo!

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 26 03:23:12 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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We all remember it.

Speaking of trains, has anyone tried taking the train to Islip? How would you get from Ronkonkoma to Islip airport?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Sep 26 14:21:02 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 25 14:00:40 2009.

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The shuttle bus wasn't free when the JFK Express ran. The fare was $2 when a token was $1. And they were timed to meet the JFK trains so if you came there on an A or C, wait times for the buses were longer.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Sep 26 14:22:23 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 25 13:28:04 2009.

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They could have turned at Queens Plaza via 53rd St.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Sep 26 14:24:15 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by WayneJay on Fri Sep 25 21:59:25 2009.

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Anyone remember when the occasional 4-car R-38 would show up on the JFK Express?

I remember R27/30 showing up when the C ran them.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 26 14:29:01 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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That "one stop" is Jay Street-Borough Hall, ya dick. You probably didn't even know that the JFK Express ran 3 cars of the R46's.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Jon Bell on Sat Sep 26 14:29:58 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by randyo on Fri Sep 25 14:20:25 2009.

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Trainmaster Nat Ford who later became Chief Transportation Officer

Is that the guy who became general manager at MARTA?



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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 26 14:34:57 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 26 14:29:01 2009.

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The JFK Express also ran 4 cars of the R46's. Around 1989 or so, I remember seeing an R44 on that line because the R46's was going through GOH at the time.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 26 14:38:38 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Did you know that the JFK Express used to run 15-20 minute headways? Hmm, guess not.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by hotbetty on Sat Sep 26 15:41:18 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 26 16:08:05 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Jon Bell on Sat Sep 26 14:29:58 2009.

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It's hard to tell from the picture but it could be. I had heard that his son was also involved in MARTA so its either him or his son.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 26 16:16:06 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 26 14:34:57 2009.

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By the time 21 St Qnsbr opened, the JFK was using 4 car R-44 units since the TA felt it was more economical to have the cars inspected at Pitkin and the crews reporting there rather than having to report crews to Jamaica Yd to bring the put ins from there.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by The I MAN on Sat Sep 26 16:20:09 2009, in response to "Take The Train To The Plane", posted by Union Turnpike on Fri Sep 25 12:31:07 2009.

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I rode it once just to say that I did. Spotless R-46's with hostesses on each car and a very speedy ride on the Fulton Street Express tracks.

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 26 17:20:39 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by randyo on Sat Sep 26 16:16:06 2009.

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Have they replaced the put ins with med vedevs yet?

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Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane''

Posted by David on Sun Sep 27 09:30:58 2009, in response to Re: ''Take The Train To The Plane'', posted by Jon Bell on Sat Sep 26 14:29:58 2009.

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The son (Nat Ford Sr. -- his father has a different middle initial) is the one who went to MARTA.

David

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