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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009 Greetings Everyone!!! It appears that the end has come for most if not all of the remaining R40m's in passenger service.A look at the "V Line Car Service" Sheet for today revealed the following items of interest:Car#s4484-85 were B.A.S.(Barn After Service)and were to "Be Mothballed" according to the Notes.The same applies to#s4540-41 and the "R-41" Mismates#s4460 and 4465.So,without any fanfare,and largely unnoticed by most "Fans" another car class is lost and will very soon be history.R40m's#s4518-19 and 4506-07 are in "Non Revenue" service on the "#6-Pickup" and may end up being the very last cars of this class to operate.So car historians,if you are reading this,NOW is the time to preserve the 4460-4665 pair before they are stripped for reefing.We may have lost another R-42 pair as well,as a train of R-42s went out of service at Steinway Street this afternoon with "Smoke Issuing".The RCI inspected #4578 and found the insulation melting off the #1 Traction Motor at 2nd Avenue,and this train ran "Light" back to Jamaica Yard,so it is doubtful if this car will be repaired.Farewell to the R40m's-You will be sorely missed in this "Look Alike" R-160 world... |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Aug 27 19:49:53 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Thanks for the news, albeit bad news. I'll miss operating them. But I said the same thing about the R38's and slants too. R.I.P.I don't want to hear anybody complaining about not having enough time to get final pics of R40M's because you've been warned and had many chances over the course of the last several weeks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 27 19:59:24 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Aug 27 19:49:53 2009. Dunno what happened to them after GOH, but in their original condition, the 40's were quite peppy and had nice brakes. Pity they were all over in Queens in my time. Only got to play with them when qualifying but I really liked what I had in my hands, however briefly ... |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Aug 27 20:11:42 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 27 19:59:24 2009. They were also AC'ed when delivered and know for their coolness in the summer of '69. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 27 20:14:33 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Thank you. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Thu Aug 27 20:27:31 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. So much for the chance to operate the r-40's....... |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu Aug 27 20:40:10 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. I'm going the miss the mods, I enjoyed riding them on the (B) and sometimes (Q)! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 20:55:55 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Here's a pic of 4460-4665.
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 27 21:05:50 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 20:55:55 2009. Ahhh..the R41 you mean. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Aug 27 21:54:39 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 20:55:55 2009. here's a vid, the first car being the only R40M on that train: |
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Posted by joe c on Thu Aug 27 22:43:09 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. I rode 4578 about 2 weeks ago on the V line,it was the lead motor going to 2nd Av,no problems on that ride.the 60'SMEE's from Queens are going fast.til next time |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 28 01:13:00 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by joe c on Thu Aug 27 22:43:09 2009. There been more and more R46's put back on the V this week from what I have seen. Now the C/R who ran from it this new pick to get away from the SMEE are pissed off that they are comming back. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Fri Aug 28 01:13:39 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 28 01:13:00 2009. I think the V is about 1/3 R46 again now. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Fri Aug 28 01:14:31 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by R160 8818 on Fri Aug 28 01:13:39 2009. If my memory serves me right, after reading Widecab5's post in another thread there are 4 R46s on the V and 9 R42s. |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri Aug 28 01:17:15 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Let 'em swim. We're lucky they lasted as long as they did. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Aug 28 01:51:41 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by d_mind on Fri Aug 28 01:17:15 2009. I liked them more than the R42's. At least the R40M's don't look as bad in shape as the R42's especially the roof. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 28 02:04:45 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. R40Ms FOREVER! |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri Aug 28 02:11:47 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Aug 28 01:51:41 2009. Of all the old SMEEs, I was never fond of the R-42 appearance inside or out. Although it looks like they may be the last of their kind to swim. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Aug 28 02:18:26 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri Aug 28 02:11:47 2009. Yeah, only because they are still at ENY yard. If ENY yard got or gets the extra 4-car sets sooner then they can finally retire/displace those R42's. I'm still hoping the R32's final run is on the A [preferably the A] or C. |
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Posted by terrapin station on Fri Aug 28 02:40:04 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Aug 28 02:18:26 2009. why do you care? it's not like you'll attend as long as you have anything else to do that day, LOL. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Aug 28 03:04:45 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by terrapin station on Fri Aug 28 02:40:04 2009. Yeah and your job is so important you couldn't wait a few seconds for while you can spend a whole day chasing/riding the same train... you're one to talk. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 04:13:03 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. To all you sub chatters: the R-38s through R-42s and also the R-62s and 68s were never SMEES. By the time those cars were ordered, the WABCO schedule for the current brake system was RT-2 not SMEE. The last SMEEs on the property were the R-32s which actually were delivered after the R-36s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 28 07:57:48 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 20:55:55 2009. The Oddest of Odd Couples. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 28 08:54:33 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 04:13:03 2009. Stop being so Nit Picky. They were all called SMEEs while I was in School Car. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 28 09:57:22 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Aug 27 19:49:53 2009. Good lord, who's complaining? When I was younger the only way I found out about a car class's imminent retirement was when I didn't see them anymore. The R16's disappeared overnight in the spring of 1987, I was waiting for them to come back as late as early 1988! |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Fri Aug 28 11:06:56 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Unless an unexpected miracle...er, shortage occurs today, the last train containing an R-40M is running on the V, with 4484/4485 in the middle of 8 R-42's (would it end any other way?). All others were confirmed as out-of-service this morning, and the 4484/4485 is set to be "mothballed" after service today--Friday, August 28, 2009.As stated, 4506/4507 and 4518/4519 remain on the Garbage Train so are technically the last operational cars of this type, though have been out of passenger service since July. Bye-Bye, So Long and Farewell to the third class of 60-footers, now just two more to go. Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 28 11:19:49 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40M's...Last Train Today, posted by Widecab5 on Fri Aug 28 11:06:56 2009. Thanks George, I will try to catch it during the PM rush (if they hold out for that long. . .). |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Aug 28 12:18:06 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Aug 27 19:49:53 2009. I agree 100% Railfans always complain about how they did not get a chance to get a photo, I got plenty of photo's last Night. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 13:03:02 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 28 08:54:33 2009. Generically they were, perhaps because their operation was identical as far as the M/M were concerned but the instructors' lack of knowledge of proper terminology is no excuse for those of us who know better to perpetuate the misinformation. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Fri Aug 28 13:03:11 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40M's...Last Train Today, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 28 11:19:49 2009. I think they should. If they are going to be pulled out of service through a "Barn After Service" then they should hold out until anywhere between 7-9 PM - if problems don't arise first. Of course this is just speculation on my part. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 27 19:59:24 2009. Now I feel old. The R40S and R40M were the first cars that I rode when they arrived brand new, on the "F" Culver in 1968-69. Prior to the "F", in the "D" Culver days we only had R1/9 equipment, at least from what I remember. Post-Chrystie we were pleased to look up and see shiny R38s on the McDonald Avenue el.What was the first "new" equipment you ever rode? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 13:23:12 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009. For me, the first new equipment I ever rode were the R-10s when you could still see the 2 tone grey with the red/orange stripes. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 28 14:29:19 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 13:23:12 2009. For the IRT, it was the R-29/33's (tartar red) for the main lines and R-33s/36's (blue/white) for the Flushing line. For the BMT-IND, the R-32's (blue exterior doors) on the Broadway lines going over the Manhattan Bridge.-William A. Padron ["NYCTA"] |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 28 14:41:32 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009. R44/46 on the F. I was so curious about the BING BONG door chime.I also remember the first R68 on the D, right before the Manhattan Bridge/Brighton line service changes in 1986. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Aug 28 15:35:55 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 28 14:41:32 2009. I waited for an hour and a half, I did not see it at all, I think they pulled it in the morning. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Aug 28 15:37:31 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009. Jesus I feel old.First new equipment I ever rode was an R-27 on the Brighton Line, probably in 1963. I was coming home (alone) from my music lesson at the Brooklyn Music School on St. Felix St, and knew that the "new trains" were running, mixed in with the old Standards, because I had seen one of the new ones from the street carrying a big banner on the front announcing the new fleet. So I let several trains pass me by until a new one came. I remember being amazed at how bright the tunnel wall became as the train came around the curve from DeKalb (at that time, neither the Standards nor the D-types carried headlights). I also thought the green-lights behind the directional signs were really cool, especially the way they illuminated the otherwise invisible word "To" in a little half-moon to the left of the destination roll. And, because the storm doors on Standards and D-Types were always locked, I thought it was very cool that you could walk between cars, especially in the summer, when all the doors would be left open and you could see from one end of the train to the other. But even then, I missed the wicker seats and the transverse seating, and the musical sound of the old motors and the compressors. The only other problem was that I was so late getting home my parents were frantic and were really mad at me. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 16:18:59 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Brighton Private on Fri Aug 28 15:37:31 2009. Initially, when the R-16s and later the R-27s were delivered, the bulkhead doors were kept locked between the cars like they were on the steels. Not too long after the delivery of the R-27s, the TA decided to leave the doors between 60 ft cars unlocked since they didn't present the same danger from a long end excess that the steels did. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 17:49:51 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Brighton Private on Fri Aug 28 15:37:31 2009. The R27s must have seemed like wonder cars compared to the standards. But the standards did have a certain old-subway charm to them. The R1/9s had more of a classic industrial look to them.Thre was a nice old man in my S.I. neighborhood who passed away a few years ago at age 97. He was about 16 when the SIRTOA went electric and remembered the days of steam service! |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Aug 28 18:01:22 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009. For me, its the Bombardier R142s and R143s. On the (2) and (L) lines. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 28 18:08:33 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by Dan on Fri Aug 28 13:19:52 2009. R32. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 28 18:11:20 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 20:55:55 2009. A couple of weeks ago I finally saw both odd ball pairs together on the V: 4460/4665 added to 4727/4684. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 28 18:17:01 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40M's...Last Train Today, posted by Widecab5 on Fri Aug 28 11:06:56 2009. Ah 4484..........awright, it was in 1982, but 4484 was the car I was operating once when 600 volts got into the am-meter and the cab lit up with me in the seat! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 28 18:21:43 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. So,without any fanfare,and largely unnoticed by most "Fans" another car class is lost and will very soon be history. Well at least you posted it here. So therefore it wasn't totally overlooked by fans. Take Pride,
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Aug 28 18:44:55 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Greetings Everyone!!! It looks like the end of the R40m's arrived sometime this morning as the 4484-85 operated in service for the last time on the "V" Line.It looks like this train operated in the early A.M. rush,and then was "laid Up" to Jamaica Yard.So for the record the consist was as follows: 4752-53,4660-61,4484-85(The Last Pair)4720-21,4763-62. This is it then,the end of the R40s in passenger service.They will be missed.Farewell to the greatness! |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Aug 28 19:21:53 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's-The End., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Aug 28 18:44:55 2009. My guess would be the 32s are next, IMO last day the 32s run in service will give the R40 Slant last day in service a run for its money. Like in terms of intrest. Its going to be intersting to see the 42s last day in service, most likely its going to be on the (J) line. It would be funny if they ran the 42s on the Z with it laying up during the midday then coming into service for one last round trip on the (Z) before retiring. There would be a bunch of Railfans waiting on the Mantthan bound platform at Chauncy st station like its an fan trip on something lol.They will be missed.Farewell to the greatness! I agree! |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 28 19:49:41 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40M's...Last Train Today, posted by Widecab5 on Fri Aug 28 11:06:56 2009. Just talked to someone who was out on the V for about 2 hours and didn't see it. Looks like the train might've been pulled in earlier today. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 29 02:10:12 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's-The End., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Aug 28 19:21:53 2009. What always amazed me is that many railfans myself included would stand and wait for the first train of new cars in order to ride it. Then, sometime later, the same railfans would stand and wait for the last train of the older cars that the new ones were intended to replace. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 29 02:13:28 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. Shucks...now all the 40s are gone.No more flat seats. :-( |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Sat Aug 29 03:22:20 2009, in response to Re: Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 29 02:13:28 2009. they will be missed but I Really hope the R42s are next and finaly the R32s. then Railfaning will be dead after that nothing here left in nyc. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Aug 29 04:21:42 2009, in response to Swan Song For the R40m's..., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Aug 27 19:44:03 2009. I rode a R-32 on the (V) today 3932 northbound head car, But noticed no R-40m's or R-42's. I did noticed more R-46's back on the (V). |
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