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NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009 Apparently just selling a t-shirt with a letter in a colored circle can get you a Cease and Desist notice from the New York MTA lawyer. Someone who designed a T-shirt to parody and criticize San Francisco's MUNI system (clearly protected first amendment use) received a letter from Lester Freundlich, defender of the MTA against bagel houses, cookie shops, and postcard vendors, ordering him to cease and desist.Story here Is the NY MTA claiming that they now own the trademarks and/or copyrights of the SF MUNI? Is that lawyer colorblind? And finally hasn't he ever heard of fair use when it comes to parody? Has he gone totally insane? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 19:55:31 2009, in response to NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009. As I remarked in another post regarding the MTA's alleged copyright of numbers and/or other symbols contained in variously colored bullets, since many transit systems and other corporations and agencies throughout the country and even the world use various letters and numbers inside circles or "bullets" and have probably done so long before the MTA, I fail to see how the MTA can even think of claiming copyright to those items. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 20:01:36 2009, in response to NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009. OMG he is off his f--ing rocker! What a lameass! Mr Freundlich needs to get a grip. The colors do not correspond to MTA colors while clearly corresponding to MUNI routes. If any agency has a right to gripe it is SFMTA/MUNI not NY's MTA (Although I think SFMTA would be as dumb as NYMTA is when they gripe) |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:11:11 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 19:55:31 2009. What I found so surprising about this incident is that the route symbols the guy used have nothing to do with New York's MTA. The colors are all wrong. So even if I were to concede that the MTA can protect its own route bullets - what they are doing here is way overboard.Here the MTA lawyer is wrong on two levels - he is asserting rights over another system's route bullets and second use of trademarks for parody is permitted |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:15:54 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 20:01:36 2009. That's my point in posting this - you just can't make this crap up!!! |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Aug 25 20:32:06 2009, in response to NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009. Meh. That's what corporate lawyers spend much of their time doing. They don't always have to be taken seriously. If I were him I would give the letter the attention that it deserves. None. I'd bet that they won't sue and I wouldn't worry too much until they did. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 20:38:34 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:15:54 2009. No you can't make it up. This lawyer needs his freaking head examined!! |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:39:48 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by Easy on Tue Aug 25 20:32:06 2009. The trouble is he does not manufacture the t-shirts but rather had the design for sale on Cafepress. Unfortunately whenever a lawyer says "jump", Cafepress asks "how high"...The real problem is that the profits made from that site are miniscule and not worth hiring a lawyer to defend. I just found it hilarious that our MTA would send a letter fighting over symbols that belong to San Francisco's MTA. MUNI appears to not be defending its trademarks as vigorously. Various souvenirs and products containing their logos and route symbols are sold. There is a lot of MUNI stuff on Cafepress and other sites. And unlike our MTA that is trying to declare copyright over raw data, SFMUNI is freely releasing its schedule information to all developers. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 20:44:04 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:39:48 2009. Well it is sad that the MTA is even browsing websites like this. Doesn't this asshole have better things to do? People are always suing MTA over torts and all that they do nothing but a guy trying to make a few small dollars on another transit agency's logos they go after. Time to bring this to the attention of our transit reporters and embarass some MTA butt |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Aug 25 20:44:05 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:39:48 2009. I can understand that.Speaking of defending copyright, LACMTA doesn't seem to care at all. One railfan started a website called "LA Metro Forums" which if you didn't know better you would naturally assume that it was operated by LACMTA. But they never objected even when he invited them to become members. Unfortunately there weren't enough railfans to keep it going. I haven't been there in a while but it was dead a month or two ago. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:49:26 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by Easy on Tue Aug 25 20:44:05 2009. I don't know why our MTA even bothers - the licensing program earned them a whopping $200,000, hardly enough to reduce the fare by a penny. I bet they waste that amount of more chasing after so-called infringers. And they don't get any additional licensees - the bottom line is that selling prints at train shows simply isn't that profitable. The bagel house covered over its signs rather than pay, etc. For all their efforts they have not picked up additional revenue. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:51:11 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 20:44:04 2009. A reporter contacted me about this issue a week ago - I am waiting to see if/when the story breaks :) |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Aug 25 21:01:32 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:11:11 2009. Next they'll try to sue the Unicode Consortium over the range 2460-24FF. I actually hope they try, so they can get their asses kicked once and for all. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Aug 25 21:05:40 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:49:26 2009. And I wonder how much silly lawyers' letters cost the Empty-yay... |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Aug 25 21:06:59 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:49:26 2009. I would bet then that they operate at a loss. Do you know where the NY State public servants pay data is? Lets see how much old Lester (Lester G Freundlich of the cease and desist campaigns) makes. Add overhead and a couple of paeons who do the real work and Im sure that we have half a million down the drain! |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 21:15:53 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:11:11 2009. The response should warn that if a lawsuit is filed, evidence of ownership of copyright and trademark will be subpoenaed and verified against the LOC and USPTO databases (knowing that they would come up registered to MUNI, enabling that person to countersue the MTA). |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 21:33:38 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:51:11 2009. Cool. I am thinking of giving NY1 & Times a call or e-mail. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 21:34:11 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:51:11 2009. Wait unless that would interfere with what u got going? If so I won't |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 21:50:15 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 21:34:11 2009. Go right ahead... Always helps to have more than one news outlet carry the story |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 22:01:13 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 21:50:15 2009. True :) |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 22:37:49 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 21:15:53 2009. proff? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:21 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 20:39:48 2009. Gee...maybe MUNI realizes fair use when he sees it? That is what I see it coming down to---defining fair use, if a lawsuit is filed.The real doozy will be which coast gets the case. |
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[Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:52 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 21:15:53 2009. I just did a search on TESS, using the address of the MTA headquarters (347 Madison Avenue) as the search term.Seventy-five (75) entries came up, most of them are live. The following route bullets are trademarked under G & S: Mass transit for the general public. 1 2 4 6 7 A D E F G J N The following route bullets are trademarked under G & S: Clothing, namely tee-shirts, sweatshirts, tank tops, caps, socks, ties, jackets and underwear. 1 4 7 A D F It should be noted that the above trademarked route bullets all have a description that reads something like, "White [Black in the case of N] <character> in a <color> circle," where <color> is the color of the trunk line on which the <character> line runs, according to the current normal service pattern. Also of interest The following phrases are trademarked: IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING Ms. Subways Take the Train to the Game MetroCard Be TrainSmart GRAND CENTRAL MARKET VANDERBILT HALL GRAND CENTRAL RACQUET ACCESS-A-RIDE MTA METRO-NORTH RAILROAD MTA LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD MTA METRO-NORTH RAILROAD (G&S: Model trains) THE NEW YORK SUBWAY A CENTURY OF PROGRESS IN MOTION NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT THE NEW YORK SUBWAY - A CENTURY OF PROGRESS GRAND CENTRAL DINING CONCOURSE The Campbell Apartment GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL The following designs are trademarked. A three dimensional four faced analog clock on a pedestal with an acorn at the top. (describing the clock on the info booth at GCT) the words "GRAND CENTRAL MARKET", the letters "GCT" shown in stylized monogram form, and the design of a fish on a serving platter. The lining in the drawing of the mark is a feature of the mark and does not indicate color. The MTA logo The "THE NEW YORK SUBWAY A CENTURY OF PROGRESS IN MOTION 1904-2004 MTA" logo The "GCT GRAND CENTRAL DINING CONCOURSE" logo The GCT logo GRAND [The GCT Logo] CENTRAL The GTC logo in a box with the words "GRAND CENTRAL" in a box beneath it The design of the MetroCard There were a few subway map designs that were trademarked for various non-transportation goods and services, but all are dead at this time. In either case, I couldn't find any similar route bullets trademarked to MUNI or SFMTA. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:57 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by Easy on Tue Aug 25 20:44:05 2009. However...there should be some sort of disclaimer saying Not Affiliated with the LACMTA. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by rionOne on Tue Aug 25 23:55:14 2009, in response to NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009. Meanwhile, the MTA allows books and such to be sold with people's photography with no credit to the proper photographer, like its no problem....MTA needs to get its head out of its own ass and calm the hell down with this we own letters and colors bullshit. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 00:01:03 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by rionOne on Tue Aug 25 23:55:14 2009. If it's not an MTA book and they are not the photographer, what right would they have to object? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by rionOne on Wed Aug 26 00:05:12 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 00:01:03 2009. Its on thier shelves, if they can go after someone with a SFMTA route logo on thier shirt....why not be held accountable? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 00:23:35 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 21:15:53 2009. MUNI has a different attitude - to them a route bullet is just a functioning label to identify the train and it is not trademarked. |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:24:52 2009, in response to [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:52 2009. Yeah I did that last time this topic came up. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:26:51 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by rionOne on Wed Aug 26 00:05:12 2009. um, no |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:26:59 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 00:01:03 2009. Exactly! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 26 00:27:48 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 00:23:35 2009. And based on Marrero's (R36 #9346) findings, it should be an open-and-shut case---against the MTA; the USPTO doesn't describe the N trademark as is in the pic in the article. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:28:08 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by rionOne on Tue Aug 25 23:55:14 2009. Meanwhile, the MTA allows books and such to be sold with people's photography with no credit to the proper photographer, like its no problem....Huh? That's totally irrelevant. MTA needs to get its head out of its own ass and calm the hell down with this we own letters and colors bullshit. You're way out of your league on this one. The MTA actually does own some letters and colors. So take your claimed bullshit and eat it. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:30:06 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 26 00:27:48 2009. Huh? I don't see where you admitted that you were wrong about SFMTA/MUNI having the trademark. |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 00:47:12 2009, in response to [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:52 2009. The following route bullets are trademarked under G & S: Clothing, namely tee-shirts, sweatshirts, tank tops, caps, socks, ties, jackets and underwear.If they trademarked the route bullets for use on clothing what right do they have to stop photographers from selling prints as long as they are not put on t-shirts and such? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by metropod on Wed Aug 26 03:03:01 2009, in response to NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Tue Aug 25 19:15:27 2009. color has nothing to do with it. If I make a blue mickey mouse to make money, Disney has every right to sue. |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:12:22 2009, in response to Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 00:47:12 2009. No right that I can see. But here is a little disclaimer: R36 #9346 did the search under MTA @ 347 Madison. I wonder what may pop out if a search is done under each MTA Agency and each address (e.g. MTA New York City Transit - 2 Broadway, MTA New York City Transit - 130 Livingston, etc) |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:12:39 2009, in response to Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:24:52 2009. So? |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:18:35 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 25 23:48:21 2009. True. Now, 1 think I think is interesting (from my personal observations) is that SF MUNI is more photographed than NY MTA. I say this as MUNI has tourists come and make a point to photograph them for thei cable cars, and historic trolleys. NY MTA does to get photographed but not on the scale of MUNI. Could you imagine the chaos and uproar if MUNI was as aggresive as NY MTA? You know MUNI does not get applauded often but for this I do as they recognize fairness. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:22:05 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by rionOne on Wed Aug 26 00:05:12 2009. If the book is not published, authored and otherwise affiliated with MTA then the MTA has no right to dictate what is in the book (although the author/publisher of the book should have satisfied any copyright issuies w/MTA). Just because the NYTM sells it does not mean MTA is responsible for content. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:28:52 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by metropod on Wed Aug 26 03:03:01 2009. In the Disney case there is intent in trademark/copyright violation. But here everything on the t-shirts in question is obviously intended towards SFMTA/MUNI with one the bullets being somewhat similar to NY MTA but the colors do not match at all. If you look at it overall there is NO I repeat NO real connection at all to NY MTA. This lawyer just said "bullets? That's it I'm suing!" |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:32:26 2009, in response to Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:12:22 2009. Try it and you'll see... |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 08:34:14 2009, in response to Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:32:26 2009. Yeah that is a good idea I will try to today when I get home from work, if it is not too late as I work till 11p |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 08:46:17 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:28:52 2009. Exactly!! And on top of that it is a parody which courts have ruled to be permissible and do not constitute trademark infringements.The funny thing is that if you read the blog post that I referred to in the original post, the creator of the t-shirts really believed that it was SFMTA that went after him - he has nothing to do with NY, the thought never even crossed his mind. This is clearly a case of NY MTA's attorney being so overzealous that he is now blinded to the fact that other transit companies may in fact be using route bullets - someone should tell him that there is actually a world west of the Hudson. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 08:49:44 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 08:46:17 2009. Exactly. This bozo has too much time on his hands. He needs to either be let go for lack of work or be told to find real legal issues. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 26 08:50:09 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by metropod on Wed Aug 26 03:03:01 2009. A Mickey Mouse has unique features that identify it regardless of color. No-one can trademark a generic letter in a circle. What makes it unique to the MTA IS the color combination.Also see my other posts and the court cases I cited - if you made a blue Mickey Mouse to parody Disney in some way then it would be permissible. Still the bottom line is that the NY MTA went after someone who used SFMTA bullets, which are not trademarked. |
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Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:52:04 2009, in response to Re: [Long] MTA Trademarks, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:12:39 2009. Exactly. No news is good news. |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:52:55 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:18:35 2009. has nothing to do with this |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:53:20 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 26 06:22:05 2009. yep |
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Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:55:04 2009, in response to Re: NY MTA Claims SFMTA Parody Infringes on Trademarks, posted by rionOne on Tue Aug 25 23:55:14 2009. Sounds like someone stole your photo and you're all hot and bothered by it. |
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