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Why were the B and D swapped in 2004? |
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Posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 12:41:48 2009 I'm just curious - after the Manhattan Bridge renovation was complete, why were the B and D swapped from their service pattern pre-2001? |
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| (819724) | |
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Posted by bzuck on Tue Aug 11 13:12:02 2009, in response to Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 12:41:48 2009. Because it made sense for the full time D to run on the full time West End, and the part time B to run on the part time Brighton Express. |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Aug 11 13:17:12 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by bzuck on Tue Aug 11 13:12:02 2009. Understood, but what did it not make sense to have it that way before? In other words, what changed? Sorry if the question is repetitive, but I don't follow these types of things closely enough to pick up on subtleties. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Aug 11 13:25:45 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Aug 11 13:17:12 2009. The People along the Westend line demanded full time serivce to the city once the Brige reopened in 2004. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 11 13:28:23 2009, in response to Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 12:41:48 2009. Because a NYCT survey was performed for Brighton and West End customers as to which truck line they prefer on weekends (the main basis for full time service.) The results of the NYCT customer survey showed that Brighton Line riders prefer the Broadway line on weekends while West End line customers chose 6th Ave. Therefore, the Q became the full time route on the Brighton line (to Broadway), while the D is the full time route on the West End. Though, I lose a one seat ride from the Bronx to Brooklyn (since I live near the Brighton), the transfers are much better to utilize along the Broadway line in Manhattan than on 6th Ave. |
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Posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 13:32:27 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Aug 11 13:17:12 2009. What I glean from it is that before, the B and the D ran on weekend - the D local on the Birghton line to the Bronx, and the B going to Long Island City. That's two express services on a trunk line during the weekend, which is overkill. Now, there is one weekend express service on Sixth Avenue, saving trains and manpower. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 13:33:47 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Aug 11 13:17:12 2009. After 37 years, the MTA realized that Brighton riders preferred the Broadway BMT trunk as their 24/7 line. The BMT provides the more favorable service on weekends especially. Since the Brighton is the most heavily used line throughout the ex-southern division, it pretty much dictated what ran where. 24/7 Broadway service on Brighton. Second heaviest line is the West End, so the 24/7 6th Ave route runs via West End (D). That kept the N on the Sea Beach and dictated the B running express on the Brighton.In essence, the MTA finally corrected a mistake made in 1967, having the D be the 24/7 Brighton train, a mistake which was also driven by the need to get 10 car trains on the overwhelmed Brighton line (the BMT was still all 8-car trains at this time). The current service pattern is by far the best. It would be perfect if the M could run to 95th St, instead of Bay Parkway, but that's not possible. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 13:34:01 2009, in response to Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 12:41:48 2009. Because the MTA are big fans of Futurama and in the show, the B train went to Newkirk instead of the D ...Futurama - Riding The B Train |
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Posted by edk256 on Tue Aug 11 14:02:48 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 13:33:47 2009. That makes the most sense of all.It's been good to be able to take either the B or Q from Kings Highway, though I recently moved to Fort Greene so my closest trains are the C and the G (Atlantic-Pacific isn't terribly far, however). I miss the Q so much. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 14:18:16 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 13:34:01 2009. Cute! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 14:41:13 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 14:18:16 2009. Ex-motorpeople are a twisted lot ... dunno if it was the steel dust or the leghair tingles that did it for me. :)But Kalikow came from the NYPost, which is FOX and if FOX did a cartoon saying the B train ran on the Brighton, only makes sense for Kalikow to "make it so" for the riding public ... 
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 11 14:44:19 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 13:33:47 2009. It would be better if the (M) didn't go south of Broad Street and the (W) went to Bay Parkway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 14:46:26 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 13:34:01 2009. Linking to Hulu....weak. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 14:51:13 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 14:46:26 2009. Don't tell me ... Hulu is "liberal?" It's owned by FOX, yaknow ... Rupert hisself! |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 14:53:39 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 14:51:13 2009. Dang... What will he not buy? |
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Posted by mci guy on Tue Aug 11 14:55:54 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Aug 11 14:44:19 2009. D /QJ/QB WERE FINE AS WAS D/M. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:20:43 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 14:51:13 2009. Hulu is to online video viewing as AOL was to ISP's 10 years ago.If you can't find it ad-free, you are a lazy noob. (not a personal opinion, just what I've picked up on in recent months across these internets) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 15:21:42 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 14:51:13 2009. Joint Fox-NBC/Universal at first; now ownership is also split with ABC and a financing firm. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:22:07 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:20:43 2009. I'm supposed to invest HOW much time on a simple gag? Watch the ad and enjoy the show. By DOING so, you're supporting FOX. Have you gone anti-American on us? :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:22:48 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 14:53:39 2009. Hulu is a joint venture of Newscorp, GE (NBC Universal) and Disney (ABC). |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 15:23:55 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:20:43 2009. The ad came after teh video clip for me; once the clip ended, I backed out.And your little 'ad-free thing? Typically illegal. |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:24:05 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:22:48 2009. Almost every network involved in Hulu! Nice!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:24:23 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:22:07 2009. I know, I'm not defending the association with Hulu and lazy, corporate stoogedom. I'm just noting it exists. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:25:36 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:24:05 2009. Yes, I can watch Battlestar Galactica episodes sans Chinese subtitles ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:27:35 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 15:23:55 2009. I'm not personally anti-ad, but most "hack the planet" internet subcultures are, and I chose to tweak the tech-savvy Selkirk by referring to it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:41:47 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 15:21:42 2009. Yep ... but from its inception, FOX was the major owner. Rupert's been trying to raise cash the past year and change to keep his money-losing newspapers going. He sold the last of his stock in DirecTV last year also. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:42:54 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:24:23 2009. No prob ... first attempt to link up the cartoon resulted in it having been pulled from that site ... FOX does own the clip ... personally, I hate doing a remote link only to find it broken for others ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:43:59 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:22:48 2009. The others came in later, wanting a piece of the action in exchange for clearing copyright for Hulu to use them ... but in the beginning, it was ONLY Newscorp ... |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:45:06 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:41:47 2009. That's true. The Post is hemorrhaging big time here in NYC, but cuts were made all over his outlets. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:45:06 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:27:35 2009. Heh. I've always been a white hat myself, although I prefer a blue hat just to confuse the glitter geeks. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:48:35 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:43:59 2009. NBC/Universal was involved from the beginning. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:50:41 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:45:06 2009. There is only ONE thing Rupert cares about ... his print newspapers. If Fox studios or Fox TV went under, he wouldn't care. The ONLY thing he cares about is his print newspapers at any cost. He fancies himself as a Hearst. I know people who worked at the top levels of News Corp and worked with him daily. He *lives* for rumors and gossip (only thing he'll stop yammering and actually LISTEN to) and nothing else matters to him. Rupert is still living in the 1920's. :-\ |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:51:49 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:45:06 2009. All newspapers are hemhorraging to one extent or another. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:52:10 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:48:35 2009. Minority partners, and only after Rupert approached them for some TV shows. Nancy was involved with Hulu since its pre-alpha "by invite to test" only days. And back then, NBC hadn't signed up yet. |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:55:02 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:50:41 2009. Very true... and I hear this too at the level where I work at Fox. |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:55:44 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 15:51:49 2009. Absolutely True. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:58:19 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:55:02 2009. Congrats on the paycheck! Heh. Yeah, knew a few people since I'm a WNEW-FM/TV alumnus of many years ago. When Rupert sacked Metromedia, heard enough then, still hear from them every now and then. So you work at the home of the "Newsblonde" eh? I won't hold it agin' ya. :) |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 16:02:38 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:58:19 2009. Thanks! I've been here for a little over 2 years, but greatful I have a job. Some of my former classmates weren't so lucky. :-/Believe it or not, 2 of my co-workers were here even from the Metromedia/WNEW era. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:09:08 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:41:47 2009. According to Marketline, Hulu is owned 30% NBC-Universal, 30% Fox, 30% Disney-ABC, and 10% Providence Equity Partners. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:11:04 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 16:02:38 2009. If you run into them, see if any of them remember the Chief Engineer. His name was Mitch Katz ... I worked for him. :)And yeah, a gig is a gig even if you have to hold your nose. God never meant for pictures to fly through the air anyway. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:11:33 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:09:08 2009. That's NOW ... I wasn't talking about now ... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 15:52:10 2009. My info has the original partnership being 40/40/20. 40% for Fox, 40% for NBCU, and 20% from the venture capital firm. ABC joined and got 10% of each stake, so now it's 30/30/30/10. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:13:53 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:11:41 2009. Even earlier than that when Fox was doing early trials with NO partners. That's what I was saying, this was FOX' baby. But they needed more content before the official launch ... NBC was first to come aboard, that's true ... but only after it was actually up and running and through alpha testing headed towards public beta. They were there for that ... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:14:20 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 15:55:44 2009. English-language non-specialty print media will be dead in 10 years. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:21:19 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:13:53 2009. But at no point since the launch has it been majority controlled by Fox. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 16:26:38 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:14:20 2009. Not dead, but not dominant. |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 16:30:17 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:11:04 2009. I can definitely ask one of the Master Control guys. I could try my co-worker. He's been in the Traffic department, so he might know. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:38:34 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 11 16:21:19 2009. I didn't say that. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:39:51 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by Bklyn2NJ on Tue Aug 11 16:30:17 2009. If they've been around since the early 70's, then they'll know Mitch. He was a fabulous chiefie to work for. Hand built lots of what's in the ceilings of East 67th. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 11 16:40:01 2009, in response to Re: Why were the B and D swapped in 2004?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 11 16:38:34 2009. But it's what you wanted people to believe. The idea may have come from Newscorp, but the project has been a joint one since it's inception. |
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