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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 1 17:49:43 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Sounds smart to me. The R42's clearly couldn't handle anything but the sleepy Eastern Division and put them on a part-time service that can be avoided. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Jul 1 17:55:32 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Maybe tomorrow I catch a few pics on the (V). This will be fun! |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Jul 1 17:57:42 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 1 17:49:43 2009. I've been noticing less R-42's lately. And even less R-32's. I rode a R-32 back from Stillwell last week. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Jul 1 18:16:52 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. I am glad that I am not crazy. On my home home 1 hr ago I saw a V going toward 2nd Ave and it was R42's I thought I was seeing things :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 18:43:19 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. The French Connection cars on the Va-va-va-voom. 10-car trains, I presume? |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Wed Jul 1 18:44:00 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by arnine on Wed Jul 1 18:16:52 2009. Wow......unbelievable...... |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Wed Jul 1 18:45:51 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. I should have stayed on the V that would have been good operating those trains. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 18:59:40 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 18:43:19 2009. Of course 10 cars......600 foot train...........that pair was on the E today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 19:34:30 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Makes total sense. The remaining SMEE's in Jamaica should be restricted to weekday only service. They could even get away with running 480' trains if they so chose (but that would bring up all the issues we saw when the slants were put on the C). |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 1 19:40:16 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Crud! No more RFWs on the and  now? :(
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:41:15 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 19:34:30 2009. Not good for the Continental dispatcher. In the event of a delay in service, or a train that has to go to the yard in the rush, with R46's you can short relay and swap an R for a V and vice versa to avoid an cancelled train. Now you can't because you don't have time to change signs on an R42V to and R42R. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 19:43:23 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:41:15 2009. They ran differing length trains on the local for decades. G trains were always shorter than their BMT EE/N/R counterparts. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jul 1 19:44:33 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 1 19:40:16 2009. There was an R40M/R42 mix on the F line today. I saw it on the culver line from the BM3. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jul 1 19:45:28 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Thats an rather interesting move... |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:46:38 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 1 19:40:16 2009. I didn't say that. READ THE POST AGAIN!There are 13 trains on the V. If all are R40M/42's, there are PLENTY of R32/40M/42's available for service on the E/F. There are more than twice the 130 "tin cans" on the V that are totally assigned to Jamaica. As it is there is an excess of 60 R32's at that yard. So there are still PLENTY of RFW's around. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:49:14 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 19:43:23 2009. And during that time if there was a bad ordered train an abandonment was required. I can assure you there are very few abandonments at CTL for bad ordered trains up to yesterday. Now there has to be more. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:07:39 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Hey Bill, better late than never. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:09:32 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:49:14 2009. So if a 600' R train craps out, it would cripple the whole B division to use a 480' train taken from the V? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 1 20:45:16 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Wow! There's going to be a mass exodus of senior guys off the (V) now, especially on the C/R side. Bet the (V) doesn't look quite as appealing anymore now that the C/R won't be able to sit down. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 1 20:48:20 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:41:15 2009. Yep...no more changeovers for service. |
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Posted by Zman179 on Wed Jul 1 20:51:30 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:09:32 2009. Do you know how long it takes to change 10 cars worth of signs? In this case, a little over 15 minutes. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Wed Jul 1 21:06:32 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 1 20:45:16 2009. The V Line may be wide open this pick. Its something to consider next pick. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:16:46 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:09:32 2009. When has the V ran a 480' train? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 21:23:47 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Thanks for the info! I just hope this does't get the [you know what merger talks] going. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 21:24:16 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Thanks for the info!I just hope this does't get the [*you know what merger talks] going. *j/k |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 1 21:24:46 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. Once the ABD's start piling up at CTL that'll change... the V,G,R should run the R-160s over the E and F, because it would help CTL run far smoother especially when it comes to what trains are needed. You can easily interchange them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 21:25:07 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Zman179 on Wed Jul 1 20:51:30 2009. In this case, only 8 would change. And that scenerio is now possible with the assignment switch. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 21:25:51 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:16:46 2009. Never. But it could. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:25:57 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 1 20:45:16 2009. I can assure you many AM c/r's are pissed. They say they will pick off the line. T/O's are pissed over door enablers. Many of them have been working the V since day 1. They all got spoiled with their nice transverse cabs and decent place to sit.My take is this: the tin cans are on the way out. More new R160's are going to the F. There has been talk of possible R160's on the R/V, but with the new management structure, the decision rests on the new Group General Manager. Even if not, the R46's would be back on the V since they'll be bumped off the F. Of course later, when replacements for the R46 come in, then they have no choice. But by then, many will probably be retired anyway. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 21:26:19 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 1 21:24:46 2009. But doesn't the E need 60' cars? I can't see it being R46's or mostly consisted of it. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:29:09 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 21:25:51 2009. How? All the AA cars are now in Pitkin. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:29:51 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 21:23:47 2009. I don't follow you. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:31:53 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 21:25:07 2009. If you have a delay in R service and steal a V to supply an interval, 10 cars worth of signs have to be changed. |
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Posted by f179dj on Wed Jul 1 21:43:44 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 21:26:19 2009. Why not? The E at one time was all R-46.We can debate the four doors on 60ft vs. on the 75ft cars until the cows come home, and the ability for faster loading/unloading that 60ft cars theoretically provide (40 doors per train vs. 32 doors). But "need"? This is a case where we have done it before, and there is no real reason why it can't be done again. It would help, though, if passengers moved to the center of the cars and did not congregate around the doors. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 1 22:08:37 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 19:46:38 2009. Oh, good.Sorry, I could only skim your post at the time. I was in class, so I had to keep one ear open just in case the professor said something that I hadn't heard umpteen bazillion times. :D |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 1 22:17:47 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:29:09 2009. Eight R40/42 cars! Duh! |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 22:36:01 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 21:29:51 2009. The V-M thing. [Due to the V now getting 60' cars.] |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 22:38:22 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by f179dj on Wed Jul 1 21:43:44 2009. Well true, but I would guess maybe the E needs the 60' cars since more people are getting on it to get thru 53rd with the F going via 63rd.But if you believe the E can run fine with just R46's, then I have no arguements about it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 1 22:51:56 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 22:38:22 2009. why are you ok with it if he believes something? |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Wed Jul 1 23:22:44 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 1 22:36:01 2009. Yeah but as long as they're 10-car sets it's all good...lol |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 2 02:48:11 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 1 22:17:47 2009. Um R42's are 60 Ft trains....R46's are 75 foot trains.... Right? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 2 02:52:47 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:07:39 2009. Same person... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 06:16:39 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 2 02:52:47 2009. pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 06:16:57 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 20:07:39 2009. wtf |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Thu Jul 2 14:25:18 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. One of our Operatives said the 60-footers were only on the V and R today, July 2.Breakdown was all R-160 on E, R-46 and R-160 on F, all R-32 & R-40M/42 on V and R-32, R-40M/42 plus R-46 on R. Just R-46 on the G. It looks like there are more Jamaica retirees at Concourse than there were last week. Will check it out again. With such a huge and sudden R-160 influx, it makes sense the "Tin Cans" (60-footers) will be in the cross-hairs, real quick! Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jul 2 14:46:39 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management (July 2 Observations), posted by Widecab5 on Thu Jul 2 14:25:18 2009. Wait a minute, I rode an R-42 "E" train on this morning's (7/2/2009) AM rush hour, and which I boarded at Roosevelt Avenue toward Chambers Street-WTC. I might add that there were delays on the IND 8th Avenue line on the SB side around 23rd Street and West 4th Street, with track workers checking each of those areas.-William A. Padron ["Queens-8th Av.Lcl."] |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Jul 2 16:45:57 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 06:16:57 2009. That's what I was wondering, but I figured that maybe it was me, so I kept my mouth shut. I am still curious what Chris' point was. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Jul 2 16:48:33 2009, in response to Re: Under New Management (July 2 Observations), posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jul 2 14:46:39 2009. I'll second your observation. This morning, the E was NOT solid R160. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Jul 2 16:49:57 2009, in response to Under New Management, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 1 17:38:39 2009. This morning the V had:3............R46 3............R32 7.........R40/42 13 Total Trains |
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