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Posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009 Well I got to see the movie. Too many incosistencies to comment on. They have probably all been commented on already. Here are just a few:I never knew that the Pelham Bay terminated at Coney Island!! It also went past Shea Stadium on the way to CI. I never knew that subway cars can travel at 60+ mph. The most I have seen is about 42 MPH going downhill under Queens Blvd. It was a one car train but that should not make a difference. Instead of halting all traffic under Lex. for a "police action," express trains passed and some of them were R32 cars. There were many more and I am sure I will see even more inconsistencies after I watch it for the second and third times. |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 17:17:28 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. Here is a question. When did the command center arrive in this century?Do they now have those NASA type computer boards, or is that fiction? I thought NYCTA still uses 1930's Great Gatsby vintage equipment. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Jun 12 17:25:55 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 17:17:28 2009. You have to allow for cinematic compromises in the making of the film. As I said before it's a movie aimed at the mass audience, not a railfan documentary. But did you enjoy the film? |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 17:31:22 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Dan on Fri Jun 12 17:25:55 2009. Yes, I enjoyed the film very much. And it was different in many ways from the 1974 film.It would be nice if NYCTA had those NASA type computers. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jun 12 17:40:57 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. Its a movie, so don't expect everything to be 100% accurate. I was surprised that they even put Coney Island in the movie tho, since a quick glance at a subway map would have corrected that. The inclusion of W8 gives me the impression it was intentional though.Yes, the MTA DOES have a NASA-ish RCC, which the movie had a nice mockup of. Its on 54 St (not 2 Broadway as in the movie) but they only control A division and the L from there. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Fri Jun 12 17:41:49 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. IIRC wasn't Bklyn Brdge station shown but with pillars reading 96 street?? Coulda sworn they ran into 76 street when lugging the suitcases to the elevators where there was a redbird looking schoolcar 3 sitting there mid-platform all darkened out. |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 17:50:04 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jun 12 17:40:57 2009. OK, thanks, I did not know that. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jun 12 18:47:36 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. They can hit 60+ in the BMT 60 Street tube. The record is reportedly 63, with a R68A. I've personally been 58 with a R46. |
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Posted by jabrams on Fri Jun 12 21:37:10 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. The elevated structure looked like the West End with trains running on the center track while the one car train appeared on the local track. The first outdoor scenr appeared to be the F line approaching Smith Ninth, however they showed a "Q" running in the opposite direction in another scene. The train should have tripped with a red over red near the bumper block rather than in between two stations. They kept on showing a women on the train (was that the one that had the small part, stating her husband were that ring"), I thought that would be the undercover policewoman from the original.The subway scenes were shot too fast to actually see them properly. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Fri Jun 12 22:41:41 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by South FERRY on Fri Jun 12 17:41:49 2009. and before the redbird show-up, the first car wasnt that an R12?..correct me if im wrong. i would like to see that scene again.I like the movie but wow, some stuff were very dumb that anybody can tell. Like when the train was heading to coney island and it shows the shea stadium, so my cousin ask me "isnt that shea stadium on the 7?". i will give a 6/10. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Jun 12 23:05:34 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Fri Jun 12 22:41:41 2009. Agreed. Since when does the IRT go to Coney Island?And since when is the Lex desk the same as the Stillwell desk? |
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Posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Jun 12 23:34:23 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by jabrams on Fri Jun 12 21:37:10 2009. I haven't seen the movie yet. The 1974 Walter Matthau/Robert Shaw pairing was perfect. I hope Travolta and Washington play off each other well.I saw Washington last night on Letterman. The clip from the movie was pretty good. May they do better than that dreadful TV version with Lorraine Bracco a few years back. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:00:04 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Jun 12 23:05:34 2009. yeah..but lets remember that is just a movie. Not a railfan documentary. If it was railfan documentary it will be rated 2/10. In terms of movie, it was good. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:06:02 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by jabrams on Fri Jun 12 21:37:10 2009. also in the scene, where "ramos" goes in the train, when the train is departing, why the hell is a lady in the last car (in the cab)?i know is a movie, but come-on they cant hide obvious stuff that anybody can tell? |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 13 00:09:29 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:00:04 2009. Yes, but I don't think it was quite as good as the original. The dialogue was still pretty snappy. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:13:33 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 13 00:09:29 2009. agree with that.yeah it was a lot of dirty talk. I was waiting for "RAMOS" to cought just like in the original, but he didnt. He got shot in the head instead...lol |
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Posted by 1/9 broadway local on Sat Jun 13 00:20:34 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. it was a fucking hollywood movie, you nitpicking fucking FAGGOTS. get the fuck over it and pull your heads out of your fucking asses. its FICTION. sort of like how the idea of any of you seeing a fuckin vagina in your lives is fictitious. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 13 00:30:16 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:13:33 2009. Thanks for the spoiler warning. :(Was going to see it tomorrow, will wait for Starz. Damned foamers. :( |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 00:35:11 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. Well, I loved it. There were times that the railfan in me screamed WTF, but we have to remember, the majority of folks will never or hardly ever know the inconsistences |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 00:44:03 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 13 00:30:16 2009. noooo!! just watch it..is worth it if you have a free movie ticket :) |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sat Jun 13 01:09:53 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. Why should we care about this? It's just a movie! DAMN! I never expected the movie to be right with the scenes anyway!REALIST I TELL YOU! REALIST! |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Jun 13 01:10:57 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by 1/9 broadway local on Sat Jun 13 00:20:34 2009. Wow, it's only a movie calm down. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sat Jun 13 01:14:50 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Dan on Fri Jun 12 17:25:55 2009. IAWTP! I be honest that I am only going to see it because it's an action type of movie. I don't care how real or fake it is, it's just an action movie to me! I am deeply into Action Movies! Otherwise, I won't see it! |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 13 01:56:00 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by rushhoursardine on Fri Jun 12 23:34:23 2009. It's better than that TV version.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 02:13:57 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 00:35:11 2009. agree.i say that when they were going to coney island and they show the shea stadium in queens... |
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Posted by South Ferry on Sat Jun 13 02:14:35 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 13 01:56:00 2009. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Sat Jun 13 08:16:19 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 00:35:11 2009. True, but a subway-savvy NYC audience WOULD spot some. When the order went out to "clear all signals from 68th Street to Coney Island", there was an audible perplexed audience reaction. Likewise at 'Grand Central' where R38s were clearly seen passing in the background.If only there really were a "derelict tunnel" with what looks like a 1/9 and a Redbird stored in it! One thing for sure: John Travolta using a redneck accent is cringe-inducing. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Sat Jun 13 09:47:03 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Fri Jun 12 22:41:41 2009. 5/10 for me |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 12:08:31 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 02:13:57 2009. Yeah, that wass quite a stretch even for non-railfans |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 12:13:58 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Howard Fein on Sat Jun 13 08:16:19 2009. I did not mean to say that every single non-railfan would not know the inconsistency, some will know which is why I said 'never or hardly ever', but either way it was a movie, I think most people understand that movies are not always going to be 100% accurate, plus these inconsistencies really did not affect the story line. Personally, I did not have an issue with Travolta's accent. |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Sat Jun 13 12:21:51 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 12:08:31 2009. yepp..my cousin ask me that and hes not even a railfan. Any New yorker or mets fan noticed that. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Jun 13 13:27:38 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Howard Fein on Sat Jun 13 08:16:19 2009. I think that was supposed to be the FDR platform at the Waldolf which now moved from Metro North at 50th St. to somewhere near 33rd St. on the IRT. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Sat Jun 13 14:57:47 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jun 12 17:40:57 2009. That was not a mock up. They filmed at the real RCC |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jun 13 16:09:26 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Jeromeline on Sat Jun 13 14:57:47 2009. They filmed the RCC as a baseline to construct a realistic set for the film. The train control board does not look like the actuaal RCC board. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 13 16:32:25 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. On this, you really have to check the "railfan" at the door. It's entertainment. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 16:56:11 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 00:35:11 2009. Look at it this way: at least it was NYCT MTA property and not Toronto or some other city... |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 16:57:21 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by QM18Express on Sat Jun 13 01:09:53 2009. lol, agreed. Just be happy this is NYC MTA and not Toronto or whatever filling in for NYC. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 17:17:41 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 16:56:11 2009. Exactly. This was much better than the second remake. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 17:26:20 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 17:17:41 2009. That one should be burned from memory and forgotten. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Jun 13 19:04:35 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 17:26:20 2009. Hehe I Agree |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jun 13 19:21:40 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by jabrams on Sat Jun 13 13:27:38 2009. I thought the use of that idea was very clever. Considering the whole premise of the history behind that place is questionable to begin with. |
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Posted by The Rail king on Sat Jun 13 20:45:12 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 16:57:21 2009. Well, I've read all of U guys post, I haven't seen the movie yet but, I'm gonna have to go with the folks who are looking @ this movie from a a movie goer stand point: It's just a movie!!!!!! Looks good despite the inconsistencies that r in it. Some of the routing of the train is interesting though to say the least. For all of u BVE freaks out there, think of it like how ya'll create them fictional subway routes. That ain't right either so. I'm going 2 C it 2nite. Also I will say this cuz nobody has brought it up: This would probably b the first full length movie EVER done on transit property since Money Train although most of the shooting was done in California. But the token booth stunt had prompted transit to deny the film industry from doing full length movies since that stunt resulted in the actually death of an employee (That was back in the hay day of torching booths). I think folks in my age bracket 28 - 33 or older could reflect on that alittle bit better than me. But I just wanted to point that out so. I'm grateful that NYCT was willing to have this movie produced on their property after 14 years after Money Train was produced. I'm sure folks can agree on that here. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 21:05:54 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by The Rail king on Sat Jun 13 20:45:12 2009. Minor nitpick, but for Money Train, why did they turn Union Sq into Wall Street in the opening chase scene? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 21:08:22 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by The Rail king on Sat Jun 13 20:45:12 2009. But agreed it is nice a movie is flimed on MTA property. I mean how many people still thinks the subway is as bad as it was since the Warriors? lol |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jun 13 23:45:07 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 13 21:08:22 2009. I've thought that the MTA might try to send a good image of the system to the rest of the country through this movie in hopes to fade those memories of graffiti, crime, and grit which it has long been associated with. Most of the equipment shown was new tech including brand-new shiny R-160s along with some more vague shots of various older equipment. Most stations shown were renovated with the exception of one small part which looked like the end of Chambers St with the steps. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jun 14 00:35:34 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Jeromeline on Sat Jun 13 14:57:47 2009. They filmed nothing at the RCC. They were allowed access so they could take notes and build a convincing set at Kaufmen-Astoria Studios. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 14 00:38:52 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Jeromeline on Sat Jun 13 14:57:47 2009. Numerous articles mentioned that they didn't use the real RCC. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 14 00:39:21 2009, in response to Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by peppertree5706 on Fri Jun 12 16:50:06 2009. 99% of the people going to the movie are not railfans. It's aimed at the general public. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 14 00:41:09 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by Howard Fein on Sat Jun 13 08:16:19 2009. I don't think even NYC people would notice stuff like that. Unless the 6 is your train, most people probably wouldn't know. For the most part, most subway riders are only familiar with the lines they take, and have no idea where other lines go. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 14 00:52:15 2009, in response to Re: Taking Of Pelham Bay 1-2-3 (2009), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 14 00:39:21 2009. Curious thing about Albany ... 20:30 hours on a Saturday night, ONE screen, four other people in the room besides me and the missus. Looks like it was a flop in Albany ... Star Trek Imax and Night at the Museum Imax were sold out. Hmmmm. |
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