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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 07:51:38 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 25 07:28:30 2009.

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No, just tired of having to explain my posts to you :D

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 25 07:59:44 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 24 21:50:58 2009.

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You're right on all three.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 25 10:41:31 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 07:51:38 2009.

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One post was about people "people who promote transportation but then complaining about the train yard because they didn't do their homework on where they bought"...

Then a post about "how do you know what political party they are" (a post I agree with, as how would he know).

But then a post about "channeling Ann Coulter". Again, what the heck does Ann Coulter have to do with this train yard, assuming political parties, and the people that bought near there? It wasn't clear from the post, so I guess explaining was necessary.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 25 11:22:29 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Doctor B on Fri May 22 07:17:54 2009.

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To the people of the condos:
I never heard of a luxury condominium not having a supurb climate controlled heating and air conditioning system. So my advice to you to minimize the noice from the diesel engines:


CLOSE YOUR F--KEN WINDOWS!!!!



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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 25 11:23:31 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 25 11:22:29 2009.

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noise, not noice. Sorry!

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:36:05 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 10:54:12 2009.

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Conservatives do not buy condos in LIC. It's a fair bet the people agitating for the LIRR to change it's policy are well left of center. Judging by how the letter in the OP was worded, it's a slam dunk they are.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:37:01 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 07:51:38 2009.

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Stick to making sense, can the cheap shots. That usually works.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 11:57:45 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:36:05 2009.

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Conservatives do not buy condos in LIC. It's a fair bet the people agitating for the LIRR to change it's policy are well left of center. Judging by how the letter in the OP was worded, it's a slam dunk they are.

With due respect, that's just lunacy.

People who buy there usually share the values of demographics that they are in, as a matter of correlation. Since those demographics are not "well left of center", I find your interpretation of the data not merely doubtful, but just plain wrong.







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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:04:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 11:57:45 2009.

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I'm willing to bet the condo complex in question has at least an 80% favorable rating for Obama. And _thats_ being conservative.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Mon May 25 12:05:10 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 25 10:41:31 2009.

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Just sound it out buddy and you'll hit it LOL. Have a safe n happy holiday. I'm doing same.

Your pal
Fred

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Easy on Mon May 25 12:18:35 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 22 21:58:44 2009.

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Why do you keep stating that NY is a "buyer beware" state? They are not suing the people that sold them the property nor trying to cancel their purchase or get their money back. They have a petition to LIRR. What does that have to do with buyer beware?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 13:03:39 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:04:37 2009.

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I'm willing to bet the condo complex in question has at least an 80% favorable rating for Obama.

Even assuming that's more or less correct (I would hedge less a bit, although given the number of people working in financial services, perhaps it does tend higher than the norm) I that's just in line with the general negative perception of the GOP in NYS, and especially in NYC. The GOP recently lost a race in which it had heavily invested (to succeed to the seat vacated by then-Representative Gillibrand) in which it had much more of an advantage. To be sure, they have Mayor Bloomberg, but that's just nominally - I think that we agree on this; if anyone is a RINO, it's certainly Michael Bloomberg; he has this arrangement where he and friends donate to the party, and then they endorse him. To be sure, given the abysmal state of governance by David Paterson, perhaps the Republicans can stage a sort of comeback, but that's still not really changing the fact that they are viewed unfavorably right now, especially in NYC.

Anyhow, these sorts of issues are pretty far afield from the original discussion, so I am happy to table it, as this isn't OTchat.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 13:07:25 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Easy on Mon May 25 12:18:35 2009.

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They have a petition to LIRR. What does that have to do with buyer beware?

I think that this response by GP38 Chris is in response to my line of argument, suggesting that the unit purchasers are perhaps attempting to undo their sales in light of the somewhat decreased prices in the "mainland" condo market. My last take on the issue is here.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by d_mind on Mon May 25 13:31:03 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:04:37 2009.

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Yeah really, who else would be pioneers in the frontier?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by metropod on Mon May 25 15:10:06 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 22 00:15:44 2009.

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boiler explosion.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 25 19:55:08 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 22 09:07:43 2009.

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I really don't get it...If had the money to spend on a condo, why live in that part of Queens as opposed to living somewhere else.......

The cool view of the Manhattan skyline and quick subway ride to midtown ?

Bill "Newkirk:

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 20:44:56 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 25 19:55:08 2009.

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The cool view of the Manhattan skyline and quick subway ride to midtown ?

Plus the marketing. The developers' teams did a great job on that. LIC in Queens, and in Brooklyn, even more so, Williamsburg, especially 'Northside'.

Other frontier areas with new condo buildings did well to varying degrees, e.g., Harlem, Downtown Brooklyn, Astoria, but I think that the marketing edge really helped (Greater) Williamsburg and LIC.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Easy on Mon May 25 20:48:28 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 20:44:56 2009.

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Jersey City condo marketers also did well. And Hoboken realtors. The NYC area is so gentrified.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Nilet on Mon May 25 21:08:07 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 12:04:37 2009.

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I'm willing to bet the condo complex in question has at least an 80% favorable rating for Obama.

...who is significantly right of center...

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 22:10:45 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Easy on Mon May 25 20:48:28 2009.

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Jersey City condo marketers also did well.

Parts of Jersey City were already somewhat establish going back quite a while, e.g., Pavonia-Newport. The really successful marketing there created neat sounding named developments out of things that were just vacant industrial lots before!

And Hoboken realtors.

The Hoboken market, for whatever reason - and I confess to knowing a lot less about that side of the river generally - never got the influx of new highrise condos that JC did. Of course, their existing housing stock did go from lame to fame, though.

The NYC area is so gentrified.


Some of it, yes, especially the areas that went from, say, zero or even less than zero to hipster mecca. But certainly not all.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Tue May 26 03:49:49 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:37:01 2009.

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Haha the other born politician chimes in.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 10:30:07 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Nilet on Mon May 25 21:08:07 2009.

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Obama is right of center? LOL, you must be one of those REALLY falling over left leaning leftists.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Tue May 26 10:59:02 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:36:05 2009.

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And I get questioned for bringing up Ann Coulter. Well here she is. Same "I am the oracle, how dare you question me" attitude. I can't wait to hear more LOL

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Tue May 26 11:02:29 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 25 11:57:45 2009.

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IAWTP

your pal,
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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Fred G on Tue May 26 11:08:46 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by BarnYard on Sun May 24 17:54:07 2009.

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I'm not a big fan of yuppies but I'm not thinking THAT. Howbout u switch to decaf? I have to agree with GP38 Chris here.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 11:36:38 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 10:30:07 2009.

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And you must not be paying attention. Obama has decided that he actually favours "preventive detention," ie, locking up innocent people because they might, at some point, commit a crime in the future.

At least I hope you're just not paying attention. I'd hate to think we've descended so far into madness that only the "far left" supports personal freedom and rule of law.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 11:45:28 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 11:36:38 2009.

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Lots of OTchat going on here, but

Obama has decided that he actually favours "preventive detention," ie, locking up innocent people because they might, at some point, commit a crime in the future.

While I don't support the efforts of either President Obama or former President Bush in many relevant respects, I don't think that either of them favored detaining "innocent" people. The question has always been one of what legal process should determine whether there is sufficient evidence to convict or hold someone.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:00:33 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 11:45:28 2009.

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Exactly, and only someone falling down so hard as Nilet would fail to see that.
It's the far left that has actually turned on Obama, for just doing what a president HAS to do. Unfortunately they are so drowned in their own far leftist ideas that they can't even see the forest for the trees.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:07:29 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 25 10:41:31 2009.

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Why not have a cup of coffee at Starbucks with D_mind and he'll "give you the low down" on it...ok? thanks....I hope can clear up your misunderstanding here...have a great day.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:17:05 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 10:30:07 2009.

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What does Ann Coulter and Obama have to do with Long Island City or a trainyard? I didn't know either one of them had a position on diesel engines in a trainyard......sound familiar?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 13:24:09 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:00:33 2009.

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I have my own problems with a lot of the Bush administration approach and some of the Obama administration approach, but I will table that for OTchat. I think that the devil in these plans is always in the details. Especially who will determine by what standards whether evidence supports some finding or not. My thinking on this subject has been that the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) should be applied, which obviates any complaints that our justice is being made up as it goes along and/or is unfair.

As for preventive detention, I am not sure whether the constitution allows it, especially as most read it. But I believe that almost everyone, perhaps everyone, who would be held under preventive detention schemes under discussion could be held under an UCMJ procedure, so that it moots the novel question while achieving the same practical result.

But my comment to Nilet was that surely the current and former Presidents do not and did not claim authority to detain any innocent person. The debate was always about how best to determine who is innocent, who isn't, and what should be done with those who are and aren't.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:27:05 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:17:05 2009.

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Again. What does this have to do with Ann Coulter?
Nilet thinks that Obama and Bush wanted to hold "innocent" people, and is screaming that Obama is right of center because of that?
It's absurd. And yes, if Nilet really thinks that, then he (as well as you apparently) are so far too the left that you think your views are actually "centered".

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:28:30 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 13:24:09 2009.

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But that's because your views are actually towards the center. You haven't come up with stuff that is very left leaning and try and pass it off as "centered" as Nilet and Streetcarman has done.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:29:21 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:07:29 2009.

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Huh?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:30:44 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:29:21 2009.

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Are you unable to review the threads now?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:36:03 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:27:05 2009.

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Again...what does that have to do with the noise and trainyard issue? Please stick to the original thread...how on Earth does a quality of life issue become a political bombshell? The question is really...will these folks get their way...and the answer is a BIG NO. These are people who were sold "fools Gold" and now they want to make it into real Gold by changing the neighborhood to suit their desires.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:47:21 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:36:03 2009.

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Again...what does that have to do with the noise and trainyard issue?

Absolutely nothing. That's why I don't understand why Ann Coulter was even brought up. I never mentioned the woman, so don't blame me.

Please stick to the original thread...how on Earth does a quality of life issue become a political bombshell?

I didn't make it a political issue. Check the thread. I agree it has nothing to do with politics, I already said that how many times?

The question is really...will these folks get their way...and the answer is a BIG NO. These are people who were sold "fools Gold" and now they want to make it into real Gold by changing the neighborhood to suit their desires.


We agree, so what's the argument?



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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:48:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 13:30:44 2009.

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What exactly does a train yard have to do with "D_Mind", Starbucks, Aunt Coulter, etc?

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 13:58:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:28:30 2009.

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Taking center as electoral center +/- 1 SD, I think that the President very probably isn't "very left leaning". I think that he is within 1-2SD on most issues, and there is an symmetry on certain issues which goes "left".

But I am also uncomfortable mapping broad discourse into the narrow left-right axes. Take some recent issues, e.g., the bailouts. Far left and far right were opposed to those. But many somewhere in between approved. (As to most of it, I personally didn't). The Supreme Court's overruling of Michigan v. Jackson today? In many nations which are electorally to the left of the US, they don't suppress unlawfully procured evidence, and indeed some on the left, including veritable geniuses like Guido Calabresi, a founder of the law and economics analysis (and Judge Sotomayor's colleague), argue that suppressing unlawfully procured evidence as we do here in fact leads to more violations of privacy because now to say that something was unlawful means that you are probably allowing a criminal to go free. But then the mainstream left position in this country is that the rule is a sound one. (Personally, I am not in favor of the rule). What do you put down something like President's Obama's 'cap and trade' program as? Etc.

So I generally like to say, instead of "Mr. X is very left/right/center", that "Mr. X agrees with Ms. Y on a, with Mr. Z on b, etc.". To be sure, I find it interesting that if you find out some people's view on one issue, you have an excellent forecast of other views, but that's not always the case. (E.g., I think that the trimester policy in Roe v Wade is fairly sound, which for most tends to predict support for affirmative action, which I oppose). You have some people who are fairly libertarian here who support mass transit. Etc. So I really don't like these broad brush approaches.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 14:01:45 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 13:58:53 2009.

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and there is an symmetry on certain issues which goes "left".

--an Asymmetry, I meant to say!

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 15:28:37 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by BarnYard on Sat May 23 07:59:07 2009.

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I don't see the difference here between your labeling of them as Yuppies vs lets say the nice folks in Garden City, LI who don't ever want to see or hear or breathe Diesels hauling freight throught GC SPUR as they used to. The ROW was there for decades and they managed to force Pataki to sign into law to shut down the SPUR to ALL freight.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by BarnYard on Tue May 26 17:52:01 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 15:28:37 2009.

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What the differnce is that Yuppies move into neighborhoods for their
flavor,then try to change the flavor.This while they act superior to the long time residents.They are a mix of NIMBYs with an obnoxious
attitude.I would also have no use for the folks in Garden City,or
anywhere else who knowingly move next to something,then start whining.
Englishtown & Riverhead Raceway have the same problem.The track has been there for decades,then someone buys a McMansion & expects to
be catered to.Check the neighborhood BEFORE you buy.Don't come in
& start telling people to change what went on for years because you
it's not to your liking.

Also,Yuppie is short for Young Urban Professional.Folks in Garden
City are suburbanites.Many Yuppies grew up as suburbanites.
Garden City has bankers & brokers.Many of these Yuppies label them-
selves artists.
I have no attachment to Garden City;but my people go back generations in Greenpoint.What I said about them is mild & sanitized compared to what most Greenpointers say about them.
Yuppies display a similar demeanor to those people spoken about
in they're baaaaack!Maybe they leave their enclaves for the Hamptons.
Yes,they have many similarities.Just some walk out to lawns &
some step on sidewalks.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by BarnYard on Tue May 26 17:52:01 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue May 26 15:28:37 2009.

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What the differnce is that Yuppies move into neighborhoods for their
flavor,then try to change the flavor.This while they act superior to the long time residents.They are a mix of NIMBYs with an obnoxious
attitude.I would also have no use for the folks in Garden City,or
anywhere else who knowingly move next to something,then start whining.
Englishtown & Riverhead Raceway have the same problem.The track has been there for decades,then someone buys a McMansion & expects to
be catered to.Check the neighborhood BEFORE you buy.Don't come in
& start telling people to change what went on for years because you
it's not to your liking.

Also,Yuppie is short for Young Urban Professional.Folks in Garden
City are suburbanites.Many Yuppies grew up as suburbanites.
Garden City has bankers & brokers.Many of these Yuppies label them-
selves artists.
I have no attachment to Garden City;but my people go back generations in Greenpoint.What I said about them is mild & sanitized compared to what most Greenpointers say about them.
Yuppies display a similar demeanor to those people spoken about
in they're baaaaack!Maybe they leave their enclaves for the Hamptons.
Yes,they have many similarities.Just some walk out to lawns &
some step on sidewalks.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 20:24:45 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 26 13:58:53 2009.

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To be sure, I find it interesting that if you find out some people's view on one issue, you have an excellent forecast of other views, but that's not always the case. (E.g., I think that the trimester policy in Roe v Wade is fairly sound, which for most tends to predict support for affirmative action, which I oppose). You have some people who are fairly libertarian here who support mass transit. Etc. So I really don't like these broad brush approaches.

And that is the case. You can't generalize. While I am right leaning on some things, I am also left leaning on other things.
For example, on things like abortion. I am pro choice, even though I think it's "wrong". But that is probably because I do not like the idea of too much intrusion by government on people's personal lives (which I guess would be a right leaning position). While I think it is killing a baby to have an abortion, it's not my place to impose my views on others, nor do I think it's right for the government to impose that on people...so I am pro choice, which is generally a left leaning position.
I am also pro transit.
But then I am right leaning on other things when it comes to taxes, spending, etc, as well as government intrusion.


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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:00:46 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 11:36:38 2009.

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1) They are NOT innocent: They are combatants who *could* have been killed on the battlefield.

2) Obama has realized that there was NOTHING else that he could do with them that would be safe. No other country wants them, we surely do not want them here. It would have been best to liquidate them in place without bringing them to Gitmo, but that did not happen.

ROAR

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:22:00 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 20:24:45 2009.

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God is Pro-Choice.
God gave people-kind the opportunity to choose,
to choose between right and wrong.
To take that ability away is to make people-kind less than human.

And so God gave us an instruction: "Choose Life".
Of course he was looking at a picture larger than abortion
but is nonetheless still applicable.

Now then, on abortion: People-kind are free to make mistakes, and even to commit murder. And God is free to forgive these sins and to wipe them clean again. Thus I have no objection to the state also offering the compassion of forgiveness and understanding.

I wish that there could be some ground to make the necessity of abortion less likely. But Obama did suggest that, did he not? But is the state to interfere in yet another choice? Anytime you do something to prevent the need for abortion you are imposing your morality onto the soul of others, and attempting to deprive them of their God given free choice.

There is no real solution to this issue, and it does not help to continually inflame the issue, polarizing peoples into opposing camps. THAT is quite counter productive.

All of this being said: I am OPPOSED to Abortion, I will NEVER have an abortion, nor will I ever assist in the performance
of an abortion. But that is easy for me to say. I am not a 20 year old girl who had plans for her life and a mistake in her womb. A trip to Fargo has it allurements at a moment like that.

As I said, there is no solution to the problem, so it is time to bank the fires of wrath and let the issue fade away. I hate to say it, but there are more important issues on our platters than simply life and death. Let the Good Lord sort things out in his own way. We must succor those who are living, who survive, while never forgetting those who have died, and who will die, and focus ourselves on prevention and support for those in trouble.

ROAR

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 26 23:27:53 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:22:00 2009.

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Nice post Lion man.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:28:18 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 11:36:38 2009.

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You want to see how far LEFT Obama is. Look at his first supreme court nominee. Nothing could possibly be further to the left than that. The lady has made simple legal mistakes in many of her decisions already. She thinks that the Supreme Court is supposed to be a bastion of correcting wrongs.

WRONG. That is the place of the lower courts.

The Appellate courts then determine if the rules of law were followed in the proceedings, and if not to send the case back to the lower court or to dismiss it outright.

The Place of the Supreme Court is to determine that the laws that were followed were constitutional in the first place. The Supreme Court is to concern itself with the Constitution and its protection, and not for tilting at social windmills.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:30:09 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 26 13:47:21 2009.

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We agree, so what's the argument?

Hey! This is Subchat. THAT is what we do here.

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Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 26 23:37:03 2009, in response to Re: Hunters Point vs LIRR Round 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 25 11:36:05 2009.

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The LION *is* a Conservative.
The LION would be delighted to buy a condo there in Long Island City.
Close to transportation. Yes it is in the middle of a railroad yard. Who cares? I *like* railroad yards. It would give me the biggest train layout in the neighborhood, and I wouldn't have to buy anything.

ROAR

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