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Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009 Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1967THE TUSCARORA ALMANAC APRIL 29,1967 – SATURDAY This will be the last full day of service on the Jersey Central Railroad into Jersey City and Newark, as well as on the mainline west of Hampton and the Perth Amboy Branch. The last eastbound SEASHORE LINE train is No. 3366. It leaves from Bay Head Junction on the New York and Long Branch Railroad at 8:59 PM and arrives in Jersey City at 10:39 PM. The last westbound SEASHORE LINE train is No.3367. It leaves Jersey City at 9:47 PM and arrives at Bay Head Junction at 11:29 PM. The two trains actually past each other in the vicinity of Port Reading about 10:15 PM. They close out the service on the Perth Amboy Branch which had connected the CNJ Mainline at Elizabethport with the New York and Long Branch Railroad at Perth Amboy. The last eastbound NEWARK SHUTTLE is No. 7262. It leaves E-Port at 10:25 PM and arrives at Broad Street Station in Newark at 10: 39 PM. The last westbound NEWARK SHUTTLE is No.7267 . It leaves from Newark at 10:55 PM and arrives in E-Port at 11:10 PM. The consist for both these runs were RDC’s 557 and 559. these two trains closed out the service on the Newark and Elizabeth Branch Newark and New York Branch . The premier train on the CNJ was the QUEEN OF THE VALLEY which ran all between Jersey City, New Jersey and Allentown, Pennsylvania six days a week. It still carried an open platform observation car. The last eastbound QUEEN was No. 1102. It left from Allentown at 8:00 AM and arrived in Jersey City at 10:15 AM. The last westbound QUEEN was No. 1199. It left from Jersey City at 5:12 PM and arrived in Allentown at 7:45 PM. With the Queen’s passing all passenger service west of Hampton, New Jersey came to and end. The last eastbound MAINLINE train was No. 1436 which left Raritan at 11:14 PM and arrived in Jersey City at 12:15 AM, early in the morning of April 30. The last westbound MAINLINE train and the last train of all to leave Jersey City was No.2483. It left from Jersey City at 12:42 AM on April 30 and arrived in Raritan at 1:39 PM. This ended all service on the Mainline east of East 33 Street Station in Bayonne. This was also the last day of operation of the Jersey City-Communipaw Ferry. During the day both THE TIDES and THE NARROWS had been in service but only THE TIDES was running at the end. The last eastbound ferry left Jersey City at 12:19 AM, April 30 and arrived at Liberty Street eight minutes later. The last westbound ferry left from Liberty Street at 12:30 AM and closed out the service. A PERSONAL NOTE: The CNJ was an all diesel road which was kind of adopted by the electric rail fans of the New York-New Jersey Area. In a very real sense it was New Jersey’s own railroad even though its operations extended into Pennsylvania. (Not to mention a freight terminal in The Bronx which was reached by car float.) It had major terminals at both Liberty Street in Manhattan and Jersey City. Both terminals had the usual services associated with railroad stations, ticket offices, baggage rooms, shoe-shine stands, newsstands and even a fruit and vegetable stand for homebound commuters. After the Aldene Plan was implemented CNJ trains arrived at Pennsylvania Station in Newark and then proceeded into a yard located in Harrison . Here several old CNJ coaches were coupled together to form a makeshift yard office and crew quarters. This yard was of course closed to the public and the only public face of the CNJ at Penn Station in Newark was a few ticket windows down at the end. I remember both the Liberty Street and Jersey City Terminals at Christmas times with Christmas trees and other decorations. I was there that night for the end. I rode the last outbound SEASHORE LINE train to E-Port and the caught the last round-trip of the NEWARK SHUTTLE. I them caught the last inbound train , No. 1436 to Jersey City and the last eastbound ferry. The CNJ Terminal in Jersey City still stands although it is no longer served by trains. Trains of the Hudson Bergen Light Rail Line now operates over portions of the former CNJ right-of way. Larry, RedbirdR33 4/28/07 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 29 20:10:01 2009, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009. Did the CNJ and ERIE share a terminal in Jersey City in the old days, or were they separate?I am aware that ERIE moved to Hoboken around 1960. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 29 20:18:24 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 29 20:10:01 2009. ERIE had its own terminal at Pavonia. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 29 20:43:54 2009, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009. Aldene Plan - The slow death of the CNJ Communipaw Terminal. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 30 15:09:45 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 29 20:10:01 2009. Did the CNJ and ERIE share a terminal in Jersey City in the old daysIINM, the Paterson & Hudson River RR (later Erie) joined the New Jersey RR at Marion Junction to operate into the terminal at Exchange Place. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 30 15:11:16 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Karl B on Wed Apr 29 20:10:01 2009. Did the CNJ and ERIE share a terminal in Jersey City in the old daysIINM, the Paterson & Hudson River RR (later Erie) joined the New Jersey RR at Marion Junction to operate into the terminal at Exchange Place. The CNJ operated into Exchange Place as well (joining the New Jersey RR at Broad Street in Elizabeth, when both railroads were at grade and crossed at a diamond) before they built their extension across Newark Bay into Bayonne from Elizabethport. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 30 15:12:10 2009, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009. Thanks for the salt in the wound! For penance, you shall review this thread. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 30 15:40:16 2009, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009. Great information, Larry. Note that a longer trip between Raritan and JC took the same amount of time it takes today to go from Raritan to Newark. Aldene sucks. It's handicapped the RVL by putting it at the mercy of CSA (on the Lehigh Valley segment) and Amtrak (into and out of Newark). I know the CNJ was broke and desperately wanted to close the Jersey City terminal (and it's costly ferry service, which was necessitated by the lack of PATH service). I know people wanted that bridge to Bayonne removed. A connection to the DLW and the use of Hoboken for it's remaining minimal services would have sufficed. Since E-L gutted their own commuter/inter-city service the year before Aldene, capacity should not have been an issue. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 30 15:44:40 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 29 20:43:54 2009. Slow death? Wasn't it immediate death, with everything that wasn't eliminated being routed into Newark Penn and the segment between Cranford and Bayonne reduced to a dinky? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 30 22:34:25 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 30 15:44:40 2009. Yup, immediate death for the service into CRRNJ Terminal (which I don't call "Communipaw" since that was the first station out from that terminal); and while the station headhouse is relatively active as a "museum" and you can get ferryboats out of the slips, the platforms and Lincoln Bush shed are certainly dying a slow death . . . |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 09:30:46 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 30 15:40:16 2009. Didn't the bridge to Bayonne nevertheless remain until 1987? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 1 11:49:44 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 09:30:46 2009. I'm not sure. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Fri May 1 15:15:23 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 09:30:46 2009. I think it might have. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Fri May 1 15:22:10 2009, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 29 17:40:47 2009. Today the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail runs on part of the old CNJ line. The portion from Liberty State Park south. The West Side Avenue branch uses part of the old Jersey City-Newark Direct Line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 16:11:04 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by 67th Avenue on Fri May 1 15:22:10 2009. More salt in the wound. To think of what was spent to put a trolley back on the line after the same entity (NJDOT) had a big hand in getting rid of passenger service in the first place. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 16:11:45 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 09:30:46 2009. The demolition was probably complete by that year. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 16:20:56 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 30 15:40:16 2009. It's the PANYNJ that wanted the Newark Bay bridge gone more than anyone else. NJDOT could have helped the CNJ by not going with Aldene and instead building a PATH connector to CRRNJ terminal; but more than that, the PRR's interference (since the 50s) was the driving force behind Aldene.(Remember when someone posted that PDF, outlining one of the PRR's plans for the CNJ to actually run into Exchange Place via the Aldene/Hunter connection? Most likely the Port Authority got in the way of that when they took over the H&M, and didn't want the CNJ to run on PATH's rails. But then again, what if the PRR didn't close Exchange Place and we had Metroliners running out of there to Washington DC, eh . . . ?) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 1 16:24:10 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 16:20:56 2009. I guess the Aldene routing was cheaper, and it was pushed by the PRR. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 16:59:42 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by 67th Avenue on Fri May 1 15:15:23 2009. Let's put it this way- A bridge that connected Jersey City to Bayonne was demolished in 1987- I remember it.But I don't know if it was the same bridge as is under discussion here. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 20:12:50 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 16:59:42 2009. A bridge that connected Jersey City to Bayonne was demolished in 1987Thanks for clarifying. The CNJ main line drawbridge connected Bayonne to Elizabeth. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 20:13:31 2009, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29 - The Aldene Plan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 1 16:59:42 2009. A bridge that connected Jersey City to Bayonne was demolished in 1987Thanks for clarifying. The CNJ main line drawbridge connected Bayonne to Elizabeth. (BTW, where would you need a bridge to connect Jersey City with Bayonne, since they are connected by land?) |
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