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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009 Today, I went on a railfanning excursion to Morristown and Danbury. The train I had coming back to Long Branch, where I live, was a doubleheaded train powered by 4214 and 4141. As I recorded the train leaving, two gentlemen approached me. I will here refer to him as "Suit," since that's what he was wearing.Suit: "Hey, How ya doin?" Me: "I'm doing alright, how about you?" Suit: "I'm doing okay. What are you doing?" Me: "I'm recording." Suit: "Excuse Me?" Me: "I'm recording." Suit: "Recording what?" Me: "The train." Suit: "Why?" Me: "Because it's my hobby." -At this point, I switched the video off, which I really wish I hadn't. Suit: "Okay. Taking a video of that train isn't really allowed, since it's going through a railyard. Following 9/11, we clamped down on a lot of things of that nature." Me: "It's my understanding that Warrington issued a letter precisely to the contrary." Suit: "Well, Warrington isn't the GM anymore. It's no problem being at a station and getting a passing trains, I understand that-a lot of guys have that hobby, but certain points, such as tunnels, bridges, and yards, can not be videod or photographed anymore. Especially railyards, since it also draws unwanted attetion to employees, which is what we are. It's no problem being at a station and getting a passing trains, I understand that-a lot of guys have that hobby, butI'm not trying to bust your chops, I'm not going to confiscate your camera or anything, but I'm telling you that you're not allowed to do that." Me: "I'll remember that." (I had a strong desire to terminate the encounter)"You have a nice night." Suit: "You too." Should I write to NJT and complain? If so, what should I write without coming across as an ass. I have the first few lines on video. Up until RIGHT before he tells me I "Can't Do That." Will that be sufficient evidence? (The video will be uploaded shortly) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 18:26:24 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. You should definitely complain (and even pay a lawyer $100 or whatever - if you can - to write a letter for you) because "suit" is wrong. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:27:19 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 18:26:24 2009. Oh I know-I would never sue. I didn't have my property taken away. However, a strong letter of complaint is in order. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Apr 15 18:35:05 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. Complain about a misinformed and possibly ignorant employee.You should get some free tickets for your troubles anyway. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:35:27 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Ken S. on Wed Apr 15 18:35:05 2009. Bingo! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 19:19:22 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. Despite the fact the Warrington was no longer the GM, all successors and/or assignees are bound by the order unless and until one of them formally rescinds same in writing. |
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VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:19:39 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:35:27 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897bjr1nEuoCuts off right before he "informs" me. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:21:00 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 19:19:22 2009. I know that, but I wasn't going to argue it with him. I just sent a letter to NJT now describing the encounter |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Apr 15 19:21:16 2009, in response to VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:19:39 2009. Your video is no longer available. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:22:40 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Apr 15 19:21:16 2009. Try it now, again?It was processing when I posted the link |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:24:43 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:22:40 2009. Copy of the message I sent NJT:Good evening. My name is Kurt Weber, and I live in Long Branch, New Jersey. This evening, I stepped off of train 2305 from Hoboken, which I had ridden from Hoboken, and proceeded to take a video of it, seeing as how A) I am a railfan and it is my hobby, and B) The train had two locomotives, which is a rare and newsworthy occurrence. As I recorded I was approached by two employees and instructed by one to stop what I was doing, since it was quote-unquote "illegal." However, the letter posted here (http://www.thejoekorner.com/njt-photo-ok-letter.shtm) issued by former manager George Warrington states that photography from public areas (which is where I was standing) is perfectly legal. However, the employee informed me that "since Warrington is no longer manager, the letter no longer applies." I do have a video chronicling the first few moments of the encounter, which is located here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=897bjr1nEuo) However, it cuts off before the employee "informed" me of this apparently contradictory policy. Additionally, he told me that "it brings unwanted attention to employees, which is what we are," I didn't not get his name or position, however I can relate to you his physical appearance: He was a sharply-dressed gentleman in a suit, tie, and coat. He had ginger-ish hair and stood about 5-8. He was accompanied by another man. I had previously seen both men get on the train at the MMC employee stop.The other employee remained silent throughout the encounter Following the "encounter" they both proceeded into the railyard, and, presumably, to the yard office. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. I apologize for the lack of descriptive information, however I trust that you will use it to the best of your ability. |
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Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 19:44:53 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:24:43 2009. You could have asked to see his identification. If an employee gives you an oficial order, he has to tell you his name and function. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:58:57 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 19:44:53 2009. I know, and that's another reason I'm kicking myself-I should have asked for name and rank. He was an employee though-he proceeded into the yard following the encounter |
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Posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:24:43 2009. The same thing happened to me twice last year.Once I was at the 125th St Station of Metro North, and 2 MTA Cops came over to me, and asked what I was doing. I told him that I was a railfan, just got off the train from Marble Hill, and was shooting videos as my hobby. I told him in 50 years nobody has ever stopped me. He said that some of the employees aboard the trains felt uncomfortable.I asked him since when is it against the law, he said it wasn't but he saw the videos and said ok, In 20 minutes he came back, and I told him I was leaving. A few months later I was at Harrison on PATH and a PATH Motorman, said I am not allowed to take pictures, I asked since when, but he left. 5 minutes later (It was rush hours) 2 PA Cops got off the next train and I asked them the same question, since when is it against the law, and they said it was not, but against the rules. I was not going to argue with them, so I left.since I only had a 4 hour layover at EWR between flights. I have been taking pictures at both places since I was a kid in the 50s and this never happened before. What ever happened to freedom of the press. Maybe unde Obama, things will change |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 22:11:35 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009. Maybe unde Obama, things will changeYou got that right! But it will NOT be the kind of changes that will improve life in this country. He has already thrown news reporters off of his airplain when their papers supported a different candidate. ROAR |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 22:14:47 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009. Maybe unde Obama, things will changeYeah, right, the way things changed under Mussolini or Stalin. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 22:17:02 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 18:26:24 2009. Maybe Ron would pay for the lawyer for you. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Apr 15 22:19:05 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. Times like these..... me love my NJT Photo Permit (which specifically also states permission for video) on teh back. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 22:24:59 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009. Maybe under Obama, things will changeUnfortunately I don't see that happening. The post 9-11 paranoia in this country has taken on a life of its own. Much of the harassment of photographers and/or photography restrictions are happening at the local level. Even where it is occurring at the federal level - it is getting worse, not better: |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Apr 15 22:42:05 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 19:21:00 2009. 1- Carry the Warrington Letter. 2- If you even go to NJT HQ (Raymond Blvd. at Newark Penn) they'll even tell you a permit is NOT required for photography/video in the NJT system. 3- Don't think they give out Photo Permits any longer (as they're not required per no. 2 above) but whippin out my Photo Permit was/has always been an immediate silencer in any approached-case. Genuinely Sorry for your experience. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Apr 15 23:12:15 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 22:24:59 2009. The man is telling the truth we should have a right to take pictre were we wantThank you for posting this video |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 23:21:42 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Apr 15 23:12:15 2009. THAT is something the ACLU needs to tackle at the federal level. Too many photographers are being harassed at federal buildings. The fact is there are no laws (federal, state or local) that in any way prohibit taking a picture OF a federal building from a public street or sidewalk. |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Apr 15 23:25:03 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Apr 15 19:44:53 2009. Oh brother.....here we go again. You had every right to ask for his name and to see his ID. You could have done that in a nice, respectful way. If he then refused to identify himself, he'd have been in more trouble than he already is.Who did you send the letter to? I hope you sent a copy to Richard Sarles. I hope you follow up and post the outcome of this. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Apr 15 23:36:40 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 22:24:59 2009. Thanks for posting that video.That guy spoke the truth. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Apr 15 23:38:38 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by South Ferry on Wed Apr 15 22:42:05 2009. I beleive photography didn't become legal on NJT to about 2006-2007. I remember they had a photo ban in place in 2005. |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Apr 15 23:40:54 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009. Oh by the way, next time leave the video recorder on. At least it would have recorded the conversation, especially if you had asked him to identify himself. It would have made an audio record of the incident.And you say you were standing in a public area? Tell him that you spotted a Yellow Bellied Sap Sucker that flew by and you were shooting video of it! |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Thu Apr 16 00:06:03 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 23:21:42 2009. life of a photagrapher is tough real tough we cannot takephotos without being harrass by cops |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Apr 16 01:18:21 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. This seems to be an ongoing issue with NJT. You can be at a station taking photos, videos and whatnot and the next thing you know, you have some authority breathing down your neck and busting chops. That's why I don't photograph there very much but the difference is when I do photograph, I'm either at the train station or on the train itself. I'm not trespassing on railroad property. IDK WHAT their problem is whatsoever but I see nothing wrong with that video you posted. It was taken at a train station...NOT at a train yard. What's this stunad smoking?If I were you, I'd report the incident to the ACLU. If they can resolve the issue with the NYPD, then they can get this straightened out as well. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 16 01:39:20 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Apr 16 01:18:21 2009. If they can resolve the issue with the NYPD, then they can get this straightened out as wellThe incident took place in New Jersey... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 16 01:40:36 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by South Ferry on Wed Apr 15 22:19:05 2009. Lol at needing a permit to take pictures of trains in legal areas. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 02:48:19 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 16 01:40:36 2009. That too. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 02:50:49 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Apr 15 23:38:38 2009. Yeps and after the Warrington, the permits and the restrictions were presumed "lifted". Then again, maybe the train stopped --at-- the yard to pick up these employee blokes and he had the camera pointed TOWARDS the yard for the 2 or 3 minutes it took for these blockheads to get on-board fully. (I can understand panning a shot past the yard, but if he's got the camera pointed AT the yard the whole time it took to board these guys, and they seen it, then ok they can be curious but HELLA NO dont be claiming a policy which is null and void). |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 02:54:21 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 02:50:49 2009. NEVAMIND.. Just seen teh video.... AINT NO RAILYARD in sight!! I took the OP to mean that the train was stopped at the Meadowlands Railyard Complex thingie place and that he was filming towards the yard.... Scroo that... the angle he had was a platform-level view... aint seen no train yahd in teh shot.. and ugh wtf... I see no point in the apprehension. Disregard my previous "Yard" scenario.. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 03:19:25 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BMTLines on Wed Apr 15 22:24:59 2009. He should have called 911 - Kansas City, Missouri Police - and reported an assault. KCPD would have shown up. KCPD has jurisdiction in the park and could have arrested and disarmed the security guards. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 03:51:54 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 03:19:25 2009. If you are ever hassled by private security on a public street or public park, CALL LOCAL POLICE OR SHERIFF to help you. Call in an assault or menacing complaint and then state your disagreement with the guard in the presence of a police officer.Police do not appreciate private guards interfering in their jurisduction, no matter who hires them. They will not automatically side with the guard. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Apr 16 07:46:47 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 16 01:39:20 2009. The ACLU is a national organization. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 16 08:00:59 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Apr 16 01:18:21 2009. Stations are not public places, they are public acces platforms for purpose of transportation.Lingering after train left is loitering. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Apr 16 08:14:48 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 16 08:00:59 2009. The problem is that NJT Customer Service tells photographers that they are free to take pictures of any publicly accessible area. They do not qualify it in any way.NJT made a promise to the NJCLU and Railpace during the Warrington years? Are they reneging on that promise now? Is their word meaningless? I think someone should call NJT and record the conversation with customer service - then record an encounter they have with an NJT employee. Make a video overlaying NJT customer service and the crap they get from the NJT police or employee and post it on YouTube and send links to the press and the NJCLU. Make NJT eat its words and publicly embarrass them!!! Maybe that will be one of my projects this summer! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 16 10:31:07 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Apr 16 07:46:47 2009. Issues in NYC were being handled by the NYCLU not the ACLU.ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 16 10:42:20 2009, in response to HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Wed Apr 15 18:23:27 2009. Never let an EMPLOYEE talk to you like that. Busting your chops? Tell the guy to kindly go away before he has him reported for harassment, that he'll be mopping the puke out of multilevel bathrooms by the time you're done with him. (apologies to all the COOL employees like TMP and 5301). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 16 10:45:38 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by BrightonExpBob on Wed Apr 15 20:59:14 2009. Maybe unde Obama, things will change What the hell makes you think that? The MTA, NJT and the PA are run by Democrats! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 16 10:52:16 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 16 08:00:59 2009. Wrong. As long as you have a ticket, you are entitled to be in a public area, before, during and even after your train leaves. It's not loitering. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Apr 16 11:01:59 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 16 10:42:20 2009. Oh please. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 11:32:18 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Apr 15 23:40:54 2009. This is Kansas City - he could have said he was chasing a brown bat (of course they come out at night, but still...) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 11:33:00 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Apr 16 11:32:18 2009. Sorry, I was referring to the YouTube video posted.... |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Thu Apr 16 11:57:09 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Apr 15 23:25:03 2009. I didn't send a copy to Sarles, and I'm still waiting for the reply from CS. Hopefully, they'll bring it to his attention, or to the attention of whomever is the new Transit Chief of Police |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Thu Apr 16 11:58:57 2009, in response to Re: VIDEO-HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Apr 15 23:40:54 2009. I tried to explain that it was a rare and newsworthy event, but I suppose his hearing turned selective. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Thu Apr 16 12:01:27 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 02:50:49 2009. The blokes got on the train right after I did, and got off that the same stop as me, which is where I was harassed. They were already walking that way (towards the yard) and saw me. The train was still leaving as the encounter began. That's how I got a piece of his voice on the end of the video.The video wasn't even really directed at the yard; it was directed at the train. The only piece of the yard really visible is the catenary poles. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Apr 16 12:09:51 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 16 10:52:16 2009. Then under those conditions, I've been loitering for years. One of my favorite pastimes is to hang out on the platform of LIRR stations with crossing gates, locals and expresses, and a mix of equipment during rush hours. New Hyde Park and Mineola are the foremost examples. Hanging out at the Jamaica outbound platforms during PM rush is also fun. No one has ever asked to see my ticket.There are also people meeting people coming off arriving trains. They'll wait on the platform and wave for the person disembarking. It's quite comforting if this person is new to the area. Likewise, you might wait on the platform with someone you're putting on the next arriving train- especially if it's at night. If you're doing these things, you generally wouldn't have a ticket because YOU'RE not getting on or off the train. Does that constitute loitering? The only time I was ever challenged was back in 1978 during my phase of photographing LIRR trains going through street crossings. I'd done this from the street at Little Neck, NHP and Albertson with no problems. Then one day on Woodmere Boulevard, some old guy walking a dog demanded to know why I just took a picture of that train. My explanation that I was interested in trains and liked to photograph them at crossings seemed to arouse much suspicion in him. WHY would I be interested? WHY would I like to do this? Mind you, this was 23 years before terrorism-driven paranoia became an issue. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Apr 16 14:08:14 2009, in response to Re: HASSLED BY NJT EMPLOYEE OVER VIDEO, posted by NJCL2308 on Thu Apr 16 12:01:27 2009. Yeh, ok but I'd be more concerned if the revenue train had stopped at MMS (or whatever the Meadowlands Rail Facility) on-the-way-to-NWK is called... geese trains normally stopover to pick up employees there and the whole time (2-3 mins) a sitting geese has FULL VIEW facing teh yard complex while the C/R boards the waiting yard staff... --THIS-- is what I thought you meant till I saw yer video.... you really dont' even *see* any yard in your shot (so I dont see offence). I thought you were saying they got on from the Rail Facility and saw you pointing yer camera INTO teh yard (which is not more than 30 feet at that location). Hence, I said nevermind, brah. |
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