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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:41:37 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 12 11:07:22 2009. The Mets colors are orange and blue, which also happen to be the official colors of the City of New York. You forget that the station does not only serve the Mets, but also serves the US Open at Arthur Ashe and Louis Armstrong Stadiums, neither of which have anything to do with the Mets and everything to do with New York City.The el and station at Willets Point station is not painted orange and blue because of the "state of NY". If that was the case, those colors could come up on any el in the city, yet haven't. It was painted orange and blue for the SOLE reason that it's the Mets station. That's even worse than "Mets/Willets Point." What does East 153rd Street have to do with the Yankees? Zip. The Yankees have been identified with East 161st Street and River Avenue for decades. Beacause the MN station is apparently at 153rd St, not 161st St. Why in the WORLD would they name a station "161st St" when it's at 153rd St? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:42:30 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:39:27 2009. Exactly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:46:17 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by znufrii on Thu Mar 12 09:07:18 2009. Why is a corporate name any different? It should be irrelevant as to how a destination got it's name. I sure hope MTA employees are even allowed to answer questions about how to get to "Citifield" when asked by a customer. Or is that prohibited as well? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:49:01 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 11:06:16 2009. No. The stadium is called "Citifield". That's not a corporate name to the MTA, it's the name of a potential destination and "Citifield" is simply the vernacular used by the masses heading there. There is absolutley no need for the Mets to pay the MTA to do it's job properly. They alone are responsible for any confusion caused by this (and at the New Yankee Stadium station). |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 12 11:54:20 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:49:01 2009. I thought you were a big believer in economic freedom.The MTA tried unsuccessfully to negotiate a business deal: money for station naming rights. The only leverage they had was the threat that in the absence of money they wouldn't name the station in the desired fashion. So once the negotiations fall through, they have to make good on their threat or no one will believe hem in any future negotiations. How is this any different than Amtrak having the right to bar photography if they so chose? Doesn't a quasi-public entity have the right to manage its business? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:17:21 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 12 11:54:20 2009. I am simply trying to figure out why the MTA thinks it needs to be paid to properly identify public destinations. This isn't about naming a station, it's about notifying the riders what's available at any given destination. |
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Posted by znufrii on Thu Mar 12 12:24:41 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:17:21 2009. Same reason they do anything inexplicable. Because they can. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 12 12:26:57 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by znufrii on Thu Mar 12 12:24:41 2009. Is this your myspace? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Mar 12 12:38:45 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by WillD on Thu Mar 12 03:29:59 2009. There real question is, do I really care about grammar at 3am... and then the 2nd question is why do you care, are you grading it for a term paper? If the answer is "No"... then find something else to waste 10 seconds of your life making a post about. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Mar 12 12:48:12 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 10:53:50 2009. Anyone has a photo of the giant blue 161 St. sign from the eighties? |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:14:59 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Mar 11 22:29:17 2009. According to the Daily News, it was a favor. Kalikow "wanted to extend a 'courtesy.'" Tishman Speyer initially wanted the station renamed.MTA pulls plug on Top of Rock promo |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:22:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 08:56:18 2009. How about "126th Street-Mets-Tennis Center." |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:34:41 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:37:00 2009. That's only a major draw for that stadium two or three weeks out fo the year.For spectators. The courts are used by the public year round. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:41:03 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:17:21 2009. I am simply trying to figure out why the MTA thinks it needs to be paid to properly identify public destinations. This isn't about naming a station, it's about notifying the riders what's available at any given destination.Then any business located near a subway station should have the right to have its name as part of the station. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:42:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:13:12 2009. How would anyone know that is the stadium station?126th Street/Mets? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:44:12 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 01:13:44 2009. Anyone has a photo of the giant blue 161 St. sign from the eighties?It's in the Transit Museum's book/exhibit catalog Subway Style |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:45:29 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:41:16 2009. The Cubs' ballpark was opened in 1914, the Sox's in 1991.Like the Mets, the Sox's new ballpark is on the parking lot of the old one. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 13:47:28 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:34:41 2009. Yes, I know, but anyone using the place to play Tennis will already know where it is, as they obviously had to get a membership there.The same is not true of the spectators two weeks out of the year. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 13:48:01 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 13:47:28 2009. ....not to mention those people playing tennis in the courts there aren't using Armstrong Stadium. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 13:48:31 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:41:03 2009. Stadiums are not the same as "any other business". |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:51:35 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 13:48:01 2009. Yes, I know, but anyone using the place to play Tennis will already know where it is, as they obviously had to get a membership there.The same is not true of the spectators two weeks out of the year. And almost anyone going to a Mets game will able to find the park without calling the station "Citifield" (or even "Mets," for that matter). ....not to mention those people playing tennis in the courts there aren't using Armstrong Stadium. Armstrong and Arthur Ashe are right next to each other; I've always considered them a single complex. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:55:01 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:46:17 2009. This isn't black and white. There are a lot of attractions that are named for both nonprofit and for-profit corporations, and some have stations named for them, most don't. Times Square was Longacre Square until it was renamed for the Times Building in April 1904. Should NYT be paying the City? Should they have paid the IRT? Many public and private (nonprofit) universities are identified in station names. What about MSG? It is the attraction and there are signs in the stations, but they did not change the station names when it relocated (twice). On the other hand, the Museum of Natural History is in the station name, as as WTC and Rockefeller Center. "Lawrence Street" is now "Lawrence Street-Metrotech," right?My preference, something like "Flushing Meadows-Mets-Tennis," is not going to happen. If identifying the place as Willets Point-Mets works, I guess that is okay. If a conductor happens to mention CitiField, as much as I despise corporate naming, I wouldn't go crazy over it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 14:06:52 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:51:35 2009. And almost anyone going to a Mets game will able to find the park without calling the station "Citifield"I have no problem with the MTA not calling it "Citifield", but totally understand them putting in "Mets". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 14:07:52 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:51:35 2009. Armstrong and Arthur Ashe are right next to each other; I've always considered them a single complex.I meant "Arthur Ashe" when I said that, sorry for the typo. But my point is the same, it's only two weeks it's used, and the people playing the rest of the year at the tennis center aren't playing in the AA statdium. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Mar 12 14:10:12 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 01:13:44 2009. Another station that I can think of is Pattison Station in Philly. People get off there for Citizens Bank Park but the name of the station just says Pattison. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 12 14:16:23 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 06:36:36 2009. Wasn't the Jerome Ave line station that way at one time?--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 12 14:17:00 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 07:29:32 2009. Why not Flushing Meadow Park?--Mark |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Mar 12 14:22:23 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Mar 12 14:10:12 2009. All of the SEPTA maps and diagrams clearly state either "Sports & Entertainment Complex" or the names of all the stadiums/arenas right next to the Pattison Station listing. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Mar 12 14:33:26 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by WillD on Thu Mar 12 03:29:59 2009. As I have said - you need to lose the Mr Confrontational persona. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:15:26 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:41:37 2009. What about 69th Street-Fisk Avenue where Fisk Avenue doesn't even exist! Or Woodhaven Boulevard-Slattery Plaza, Metropolitan Avenue-Grand Street, and many more. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:18:24 2009, in response to NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 11 22:04:48 2009. Wouldn't it make more sense to just call it "Mets Stadium/Willets Point Boulevard", "Mets/Willets Point" sounds like it would confuse a lot of people and is just retarded. |
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Posted by BRONX EXPRESS on Thu Mar 12 15:19:19 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:15:26 2009. The best one was when Parkchester was called E.177th St-Parkchester.In all my life in THE BRONX, i've never seen E.177th St anywhere. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:21:57 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:15:26 2009. True, but what does that have to do with the MN station being at 153rd St? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:23:11 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:21:57 2009. If the Metro-North station was indeed named 161st Street, it wouldn't be the first to be incorrectly named geographically and few riders would mind. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:24:55 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:18:24 2009. Wouldn't it make more sense to just call it "Mets Stadium/Willets Point Boulevard", "Mets/Willets Point" sounds like it would confuse a lot of people and is just retarded.When it was Shea Stadium/Willits Point, the Willets Point part of it without the "Boulevard" part never confused people before, so why would it now? Most people don't care whether the Willets Point Blvd used to be a street there or not. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:27:19 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:24:55 2009. Because "Mets" is not a location, but rather a team name. If I'm telling you that I'm going to a Mets game, I'm telling you that I'm going to CitiField, not "Mets" lol. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:31:58 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:24:55 2009. My original suggestion was when this scenario came up with the closure of Shea, and the world of corporate names, and to not worry every time the name of a stadium changes to a new corportation was to just call it "Mets stadium-Willets Point". |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:42:58 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:31:58 2009. My thoughts exactly, why won't the MTA just save money and just cover the "Shea" on the signs at the station with "Mets". |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Mar 12 15:44:35 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BRONX EXPRESS on Thu Mar 12 15:19:19 2009. E 177 St does still exist in the Bronx in parts, it does pop up after West Farms by the bus depot near the end of the Sheridan Expressway. It also exists by the (4)(B)(D) trains (with W 177 St).By the (6)<6> train area and beyond some "177 St" references could be seen if one walked in the "correct areas". 177 #1 (now gone) 177 #2 177 #3 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:49:55 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:23:11 2009. By 8 blocks? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:50:19 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:42:58 2009. Haha, it would be a lot easier. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:51:48 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:50:19 2009. Although those stations signs are worth a FORTUNE. The only people nutty enough to spend a small fortune for memorabilia than subfans are sports fans. They can fetch a fortune for those Shea Stadiun signs. Out of all the stations in the system, only World Trade Center and perhaps Yankee Stadium could fetch more. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:58:14 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:49:55 2009. I thought that East 153rd Street is only two blocks away from East 161st Street? |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 16:01:53 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Mar 12 12:48:12 2009. This 1939 IRT route map indicates Yankee Stadium as a nearby attraction, not part of the station name: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/irt_1939_small.jpgAs does this Hagstrom map from the same year: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1939.jpg This official 1948 map indicates 161st-River Ave: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1948_small.gif And 1951: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1951_a.jpg "Yankee Stadium" seems first to appear as part of the station name in 1972, http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1972.jpg, which is consistent with my general recollection about changes to station signage. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 16:05:50 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 06:36:36 2009. It was that way, for a very long time, apparently until the mid-1970s, at least on maps. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 16:08:11 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 12 14:17:00 2009. Because the name is Flushing Meadows-Corona Park. But for that quibble, I agree with you. I think that's what it should have been named. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 12 16:15:02 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:49:55 2009. Check a map. 153rd street is not a straight east-west street, so it is much farther north than you would expect at the railroad tracks. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 16:15:47 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 12 15:58:14 2009. I thought that East 153rd Street is only two blocks away from East 161st Street?East 153rd Street runs parallel to the tracks and in a NW-SE direction and intersects East 157th Street. East 157th is two blocks from East 161st. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 12 16:17:11 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BRONX EXPRESS on Thu Mar 12 15:19:19 2009. E. 177th is a former street that ran past Parkchester where the Cross Bronx is now. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 16:18:54 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 15:24:55 2009. When it was Shea Stadium/Willits Point, the Willets Point part of it without the "Boulevard" part never confused people before, so why would it now?People call the Iron Triangle "Willets Point," so there's some confusion going on there. Most people don't care whether the Willets Point Blvd used to be a street there or not. Willets Point Boulevard is still a street there. |
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