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Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009

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At 12:08 today, constst S|6224-6226-6236-6238-6230-6228-6254-6252|N was spotted on the V at 34th Street, Southbound. A rare setup consisting of nothing but R46 A cars.


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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Feb 26 12:24:54 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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That's odd for NYCT!

I see that all the time on the SIR though. There's all different kinds of combos, especially on the 5-car length trains.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 26 12:27:58 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Feb 26 12:24:54 2009.

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Not surprising, the cars are not linked sets so they always take whatever's ready for service.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 26 12:28:25 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Very interesting catch.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 14:43:54 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 26 12:27:58 2009.

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Yes. I've seen the A end of an A car coupled to the B end of another A car.

Do they still run 5-car sets on the SIR? Most I've ever seen on that line is 4.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 26 14:48:46 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 14:43:54 2009.

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Yeah, one car would have to be locked out if it was a local and defeat the point of a 5-car train. I would guess this would be for the super express?

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VIDEO: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 16:26:24 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Re: VIDEO: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Thu Feb 26 16:29:56 2009, in response to VIDEO: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 16:26:24 2009.

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nice catch

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 26 19:26:22 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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I wonder if this has anything to do with the current R-46 overhaul program.

Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Feb 26 19:39:47 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 26 19:26:22 2009.

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Why would they not overhaul a complete A-B-B-A R-46 set at one time rather than splitting it? It does seem strange.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 26 20:07:14 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Feb 26 19:39:47 2009.

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Why would they not overhaul a complete A-B-B-A R-46 set at one time rather than splitting it? It does seem strange.

Beats me Andrew, can't explain why the surplus of cab cars.

Bill "Newkirk"


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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by mshull on Fri Feb 27 18:32:03 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Actually, that is the best QB line to put a set like this on.

All those cabs take up valuable passenger space, so might as well put it on the lowest ridership line.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Neil Feldman on Fri Feb 27 21:02:35 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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The G should have the A-A sets giving the rest ABBA since the G has nothing more than 4 car sets. Good catch!

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Feb 27 21:07:32 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Neil Feldman on Fri Feb 27 21:02:35 2009.

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They did that on the (F) also, Nothing New, They did this since 2001, I rerember seeing that on the (E) when most of it R32's went to the (Q) during the (9/11) service changes.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 28 06:46:43 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 26 19:26:22 2009.

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Coincidence, that's all.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 28 06:49:34 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by mshull on Fri Feb 27 18:32:03 2009.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. The best place for the A cars is on the G line since you get 4 compressors instead of 2. Tough to accomplish becasue they come out to Continental part time. With any ABBA set on the G, if one compressor is not working as designed, the t/o could be in trouble.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 28 07:39:52 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Nice catch and video, R.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Sat Feb 28 08:23:36 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Happens on the G train often.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 11:28:24 2009, in response to Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 26 12:18:46 2009.

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Rare but not super unusual, e.g., on the G.

In other news, a lot of R32s and 40s on the F. A real step down from those R46s !

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 11:29:43 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 11:28:24 2009.

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Actually I wonder if the G explains it - the two routes share equipment, don't they? Maybe 2 AAAA sets that were on the G got hooked up for V service, thus the AAAAAAAA ?

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 28 14:00:41 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 11:29:43 2009.

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I think that this was just completely random. Any 4-car sets will do ABBA-AAAA, ABAA[I think there's just one of these]-ABBA, etc.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 14:18:10 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 28 14:00:41 2009.

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Well I was just trying to explain the odds better. 2 AAAA sets on the G aren't such a major rarity, but an 8-car A set is. The reason why it doesn't happen more frequently would be that given the low probability of finding AAAA sets on the G, the odds of 2 AAAA sets hooking up to make up a V train are much lower.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 28 14:25:35 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 14:18:10 2009.

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Well true, it would be pretty rare to find 2 AAAA sets and combine them into one train. But I guess it works out how it was given to the V since it won't take up as much space as it would for the F.
Maybe that's what they need to do and that is putting all the AAAA sets on the V.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 14:38:36 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 28 14:25:35 2009.

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But I guess it works out how it was given to the V since it won't take up as much space as it would for the F.
Maybe that's what they need to do and that is putting all the AAAA sets on the V.


Yeah my claim was that because the G and V share equipment - if I recall right - then you get that part for free; no independent decision, just that some of the equipment goes back and forth between the two routes.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 28 15:06:00 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 28 14:38:36 2009.

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Yup very true.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Feb 28 16:01:36 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Sat Feb 28 08:23:36 2009.

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But 8-car G trains only happen when they run to Coney Island. That doesn't happen as often.

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Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!

Posted by mshull on Sun Mar 1 13:18:13 2009, in response to Re: Nothing but A on the V... Again!, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 28 06:49:34 2009.

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I meant an 8-car A only set. Wouldn't make sense on the E, F or R. E for too few doors, F and R for too many cabs for the ridership.

Yes, I agree with you about 4 A cars on the G.

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