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Posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009 Click here for NYDN articleApparently they developed software and analyzed a whole lot of routes...will they beat the record?! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jan 22 20:08:10 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. Did they take into consideration General Orders ?Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 20:15:04 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jan 22 20:08:10 2009. I hope they did, becuase looking at tonight, oh boy are they in for it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 20:17:49 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 20:15:04 2009. I love it when theoretical engineering meets construction foremen. :) |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Jan 22 20:29:45 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 20:17:49 2009. Especially when they don’t seem to be particularly bright:"We've been studying for six months - it's not that complicated," said Ferrisi, a quantitative analyst from Astoria. "It's only 468 factorial," he added - without a hint of sarcasm - referring to the number of subway stations in the system. The number of worthwhile solutions is considerably less than 468! since stations in a row effectively count as one in the combinatorics (and I’m sure that five minutes would show other similar optimizations). And 468! isn’t trillions: 450! is approximately 2E1000. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 20:38:01 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by JohnL on Thu Jan 22 20:29:45 2009. Heh. But the good news is that once they reach Stillwell for the umpteenth time, they can sit down and have some Pi. :) |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:46:52 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. A computer can't beat the record. You need instinct. Everyone who uses a computer to try to figure out the best route are always the ones who end up taking 30+ hours, since the computer didn't realize that X line gets backed up at certain hours, or Y line is GOed out, or Z line is gonna make a battery run - stay on or get off? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:49:54 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. A computer can't beat the record. You need instinct. Everyone who uses a computer to try to figure out the best route are always the ones who end up taking 30+ hours, since the computer didn't realize that X line gets backed up at certain hours, or Y line is GOed out, or Z line is gonna make a battery run - stay on or get off?They also don't seem to realize that when you start in the Rockaways, it is significantly smarter to start at B116 rather than Mott, as there is one less transfer AND you only have to wait for the damn H train once (or no times, depending on whether they start the clock when they swipe, or when the first train leaves the station). |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Jan 22 20:53:37 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:49:54 2009. It would, however, be interesting to see what the computer thinks is the optimal route. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:56:04 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 20:38:01 2009. Theoretically, you should only reach Stillwell ONCE on the entire trip. This is one station where the bathrooms are always open, although you might find someone trying to make soup in a sink.I participated in an Ultimate Ride a couple years ago where no matter how hard or clear I explained it, one of the other participants just didn't get at all that it doesn't matter if you do the N & D at the beginning of the trip, and the F & Q 12 hours later, or do them both in a row. He insisted that doing all 4 Coney lines in a row would save time, simply because a big chunk of the map could be crossed off....... |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jan 22 21:05:03 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:49:54 2009. Why wouldn't average delays and GO's be able to be programmed? Especially if they take a laptop or something with them. They may have developed a more complex and flexible program than what you're imagining. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 21:10:06 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:56:04 2009. Greetings! I recorded that when it ran on D/T and burned a DVD from it. The mapping was the least of your problem back then, it was the production crew. :)Should be interesting though to see what a mess a computer makes of it, might be even worse than a production crew wanting to get that shot again. Heh. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jan 22 21:11:22 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jan 22 20:08:10 2009. I wonder the same thing... |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 22 21:18:48 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. Good luck! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 22 21:21:37 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. No, the system is too slow. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 22 21:22:24 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:49:54 2009. They could have access to the MTA's delay tracking and detailed ridership data. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jan 22 21:24:49 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 22 21:22:24 2009. Or more likely they could have ridden lines and talked to others to get a rough estimate. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 21:54:31 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 20:15:04 2009. Yup, especially the Brooklyn IRT and BMT Montague southbound. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 21:56:49 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 22 20:56:04 2009. Agreed, that's why the F is the odd line of the Coney 4; you can't use it to/from Atlanitc and Pacific complex. |
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Posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Thu Jan 22 21:57:47 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 21:54:31 2009. Wow, I can't even remember the last time they bustituted the Eastern Pkwy Line...let's see how they make out. |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 22:26:08 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 21:54:31 2009. thier options for crosstown are really down. The ehcos are still visitng broadway and the Canarsie isn't going past USQ with single track shuttle to bedford.the Ns and Ds are running expres northbound in brooklyn, the Lex is express downtown from GCT to BB, Northbound As are express on CPW, while the Southbound A's are heading are using rugters. On that thought, how do they count Chambers/WTC? |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:33:35 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 22 21:24:49 2009. When doing these trips, no one's group wants to "talk to others" because they all go into it with the bighead approach like they're gonna pwn the rest and they pose with a map and their cheesy wall street grins looking like bar hoppers on any given weekend. It shouldnt matter where the bathrooms are.... most people can focus well enough on the intended task that taking a piss is the third-most distant concern from one's mind. Doubt any group whose ever completed this feat has ever "consulted with another group". |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:34:16 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 20:15:04 2009. ha-ha suckaz!! |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:34:41 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 22 21:21:37 2009. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 22:40:59 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 22:26:08 2009. Should be as separate stations. Best way to handle it is to take the A, drop back one interval for the WTC visit before taking the next A. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:41:28 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 21:10:06 2009. No, Moo.. Richie wasn't on --OUR-- D/T trip. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:42:20 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:41:28 2009. Ju dont see anyone on that TeeVee show named Richie, do ya???? |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:43:36 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 21:56:49 2009. Yo, whatever complex equation you used for the SECOND trip we ran, that's wuz teh w1nner!! When taking teh marathon tripz, I've had (and always will have) complete confidence in a route plan drawn up by KooL-D. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:44:58 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 21:10:06 2009. might be even worse than a production crew wanting to get that shot again. Heh.It wasn't about "getting that shot again" as much as it was "getting a puff of that Marlboro." (and we all just gleefully waNted a puff of Gena but OhWell.... 0:) |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:46:10 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Jan 22 20:53:37 2009. ya but if teh computer doeznt factor in G/Os???? you is teh scr3wud. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 22:48:45 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:41:28 2009. You guys shoulda copyrighted that "Ultimate ride" title, yo. :) |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:48:49 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. I think there was a group www.myspace.com/subwaychallenge whom dabbled on media's ears and was all big talk about their trip WHICH INCLUDED EXPRESSES AND SKIP STOPS and was ultimately denied admission to Guiness and lo and behold we never heard peep from those maggots again. There was a clan of five or seven classmates whom tried and drank beer or something I dont remember the specifics of their outcome... or if they were sober at the end to realize their correct time.... |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:49:37 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 22:48:45 2009. We did... but Gena or Roger or Derek never gave in the paperw0rk. |
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Posted by joe c on Thu Jan 22 22:50:06 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. How about lowering that station count by 2,then you'll get the idea.til next time |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 22:50:33 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:44:58 2009. Heh. Yeah, looker ... ah well, if I'd been with yas I woulda just broken out my church key and turned the #2 end cab into a lounge. :) |
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Posted by joe c on Thu Jan 22 22:58:14 2009, in response to OTHERS WHOM TRIED Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:48:49 2009. I guess in order to make the record,you have to visit every stop inthe system while taking a local train? til next time |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:01:39 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 22:50:33 2009. ....and soon after, you'd have KOOL-D banging on teh d00r and shouting "wii geddin awwf next stop!!" |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 22 23:02:49 2009, in response to Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Clayton on Thu Jan 22 20:01:39 2009. Don't know - but apparently they got off on the right foot - a Slant on the "A" - #4399, to be exact! (Fox 5 news @ 10). I've been aboard that one a number of times.wayne |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:02:57 2009, in response to Re: OTHERS WHOM TRIED Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by joe c on Thu Jan 22 22:58:14 2009. Yes, one would hope this rule is honored. And Yes, according to Guiness you must. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:04:17 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 22 23:02:49 2009. wuz their trip starting TONIGHT or LAST NIGHT??? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 22 23:05:12 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:04:17 2009. Started earlier today.-w- |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 23:14:38 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:01:39 2009. And everyone else dancing the indecisijig as to whether THIS train is leaving first, or the other one. Heh. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:18:52 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 22 23:14:38 2009. Oh yea, lots and lots of that!! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jan 22 23:19:54 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 22 23:02:49 2009. Did their computer program tell them what time to start their journey? |
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Posted by newlots#2 on Thu Jan 22 23:23:13 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 22 23:05:12 2009. Ok here's a question. When running the entire system, do you count Union Sq for instance as one station or as 3 stations i.e. do you have to hit that station on ever line that goes through it (bway, lex and 14 th st)? |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Thu Jan 22 23:29:39 2009, in response to OTHERS WHOM TRIED Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 22:48:49 2009. Ms. Rebecca Morris Autumn 1973. She started at 168th Street-Jamaica Terminal and IIRC her point to point took twenty-five (25) hours including the Rockaways Round Robin. I remember the article she wrote in the Sunday News Magazine about her trip. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 22 23:33:46 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jan 22 23:19:54 2009. or when best to piss? |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Jan 22 23:38:35 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 22 22:40:59 2009. that's what I thought. I hope thier schedual doesn't have them stoping there untill tommorow's rush (If they didn't already cover it), since World Trade Center is closed tonight with the Echo G.O. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jan 23 00:09:08 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 22 21:05:03 2009. Not all GOs get published. Unless they have inside information, they wouldn't know about things like trains single tracking through tunnels, since technically that isn't a service change, just a delay. The Joraleman tunnel was single tracking during one of my rides and I had no idea....had to sit at Wall St for a while to wait for the 4 in the opposite direction to come through. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Jan 23 00:16:05 2009, in response to Re: Math Geniuses Attempt Guiness NYC Subway Riding Record, posted by newlots#2 on Thu Jan 22 23:23:13 2009. Depends on who you ask. I personally count a station if you arrive ANYWHERE in it. Some people claim you have to stop at every single platform. Guinness agrees with my rule.Someday I still want to run a "class A" ultimate ride. The goal is not to visit every station (expresses are allowed and encouraged), but to trace the entire subway map by riding every Right of Way on at least one track. That means EVERY east river crossing. It also means factoring in a time when you can ride between Court Square and Queens Plaza, and between Broad St and Court St. |
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