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Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008

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Click the map to see it! It works now, It's been tested. (PDF, 1.5 MB) Any comments, criticism, and hate is appreciated!

But, seriously, tell me what's wrong, I kind of need to know that sort of thing. And it's not final as of yet.


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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:32:51 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Tested in two different browsers, it works.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 20:35:29 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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It really does look beautiful.

If you could find something to put in the upper left, or have Staten Island as a separate map, it would make it look more pleasing to the eye upon first inspection.

It's a really nice touch with the notes about stations without entrances. 200-Dyckman on the A is another one with no northbound entrance. If it isn't getting too carried away, I would also recommend listing whether or not a station has a crossunder or not.

Since the 1 is soon to no longer be a loop track, I would make it a single line going into the station.

It looks bizarre having two separate lines on the PATH out of WTC, especially when they aren't following the same path (no pun).

Woodlawn station has a typo on "Jerome" .... what's the story with having the Bx12 line outlined? As far as I could see, none of the other bus lines are.....

There's no label for LIC and Hunter's Point LIRR stations...I would also check the layers where the Port Washington/Main line split is.

Technically Metropolitan & Lorimer St are separate stations, with a bit of a walk to transfer between them...since it looks like you were doing this with other corridor stations, you might want to fix that for consistency.

And a slight nitpick, but it seems like EVERY map does this wrong, including the official map.....the E terminal at Chambers St is on the EAST side of the A/C terminal.

There's also inconsistencies with the station dots. What does a black dot in a white circle mean? What does a white circle with a black border mean?

Keep up the great work, fellow cartographer!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 20:46:42 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 20:35:29 2008.

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Also, last I heard (and according to the current schedule), the W's terminate at 86 St, not Kings Highway.

Use a lighter shade of grey for the Franklin Shuttle and LIRR Atlantic Branch. It's indistinguishable from the street roads.

You should also label Court St as "Borough Hall-Court St"

What's with the purple color you used for the A/C/E?

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:58:10 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 20:35:29 2008.

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"It really does look beautiful."
Thanks!

"If you could find something to put in the upper left, or have Staten Island as a separate map, it would make it look more pleasing to the eye upon first inspection."
I was planning on putting a service box in that area. I may split off Staten Island, but I'm trying not to do that.

"It's a really nice touch with the notes about stations without entrances. 200-Dyckman on the A is another one with no northbound entrance. If it isn't getting too carried away, I would also recommend listing whether or not a station has a crossunder or not."
I forgot about Dyckman! Thanks. As for crossunders, I may do so, but only through an icon.

"Since the 1 is soon to no longer be a loop track, I would make it a single line going into the station."
Yeah, this is dated. I will remove the loop before the final version.

"It looks bizarre having two separate lines on the PATH out of WTC, especially when they aren't following the same path (no pun)."
You mean the WTC loop?

"Woodlawn station has a typo on "Jerome" .... what's the story with having the Bx12 line outlined? As far as I could see, none of the other bus lines are....."
The Bx12 is highlighted because of SBS. I'll fix my terrible spelling before the final.

"And a slight nitpick, but it seems like EVERY map does this wrong, including the official map.....the E terminal at Chambers St is on the EAST side of the A/C terminal."
I could swap the locations of main line and the terminal stub.

"There's also inconsistencies with the station dots. What does a black dot in a white circle mean? What does a white circle with a black border mean?"
Black dot/white circle: all trains stop
White circle/black border: local trains only

"Keep up the great work, fellow cartographer!"
Thanks! How's yours coming along?

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 11 20:59:37 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Hey it looks great!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 21:08:04 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 20:46:42 2008.

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"Also, last I heard (and according to the current schedule), the W's terminate at 86 St, not Kings Highway."
I thought the first three begin at 86 and the last three end at Kings Highway. Can someone clarify?

"Use a lighter shade of grey for the Franklin Shuttle and LIRR Atlantic Branch. It's indistinguishable from the street roads."
Noted!

"You should also label Court St as "Borough Hall-Court St"
Noted!

"What's with the purple color you used for the A/C/E?"
I used the color from this SVG.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 21:08:22 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 11 20:59:37 2008.

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Thanks!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Thu Dec 11 21:12:43 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Ah...just the thing I need to remind me of home. Looks fantastic so far. This combined with the pre-1994 styled strip map made by another subchatter (I forget who) is just perfect. Just perfect.

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Posted by R PansePCC on Thu Dec 11 21:31:07 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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I think it looks great!! How would it look with a white background for the land portions. I find it difficult seeing the dark blue of the 8th Ave lines and even the dark brown of the J,Z&M. I will only nitpick that you didn't put Ridgewood & Kew Gardens on the map. What you have right now is amazing.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by R PansePCC on Thu Dec 11 21:32:04 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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It opens well in Safari too.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 21:51:39 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Thu Dec 11 21:12:43 2008.

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Thanks.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 21:52:26 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Dec 11 21:31:07 2008.

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Will get around to it. Thanks.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 11 21:56:37 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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pretty nice.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 22:18:31 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 11 21:56:37 2008.

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Thank you!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 23:43:29 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:58:10 2008.

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Thanks! How's yours coming along?

I need to conquer Gold St interlocking next.....I need another drink.....

As for the SEPTA map, I'm about 2 miles to Paoli.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 11 23:57:19 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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A very nice map, easy on the eyes and most pleasant to behold.

* You have omitted Bushwick-Aberdeen station on the "L".
* You should move Montrose Avenue a little to the north.
* the reverse curve south of 175th Street on the "A" needs to be better defined. It is 75 degrees leaving the station southbound.
* Ditto between Bedford Park and 205 on the "D". Move the line a little further north on Concourse THEN turn it. Your curve should be just shy of 90 degrees.

Everything else looks dead on. Very well done indeed.

wayne

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 11 23:58:13 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 23:43:29 2008.

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will you have something before the mid-winter trip?

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 00:17:04 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 11 23:57:19 2008.

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Noted. Thanks!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 12 00:18:27 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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I really like it-
My one issue is that shuttles are really hard to see. IMHO making them the color of the L would be ideal.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 00:20:02 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 12 00:18:27 2008.

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Noted (about the second time). I'm probably going to change that. Thanks.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 12 04:58:37 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 21:08:04 2008.

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Northbound in the morning, the Brooklyn (W) begins service at 86 Street.

Southbound at night, the Brooklyn (W) terminates at Kings Highway, discharges, crosses to Track E3, and runs light to Coney Island Yard.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 12 05:14:15 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Broadway
LIRR Port Washingtob Branch


If you want to be exacting, and I know you do, the times in which the (E) runs express through Kew Gardens differs in each direction.

Southbound, the (E) bypasses Briarwood - Van Wyck Boulevard and 75 Avenue between 6:00 AM and 6:00 PM. Northbound, it's between 6:00 AM and 7:45 PM.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 12 06:06:33 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Very nice.

Nitpick: the commuter railroads are virtually invisible.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Dec 12 08:15:22 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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What is the name of the graphics program you used to make the map?

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 12 08:16:24 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Thu Dec 11 21:12:43 2008.

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This combined with the pre-1994 styled strip map made by another subchatter (I forget who)

That would be me.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 10:19:42 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 12 05:14:15 2008.

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I haven't rode the E off peak lately, but a few years back - 2004ish - you had E trains running local to 75 Av on occasion. There wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it, and it wasn't even necessarily the 6 E trains that must terminate at 179 St because Jamaica Center can't handle even 15 tph.



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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:28:19 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 12 05:14:15 2008.

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Noted, will spell check. Thanks!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:29:16 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 10:19:42 2008.

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Still happens now, mines ended up going local at 10:00am.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:30:12 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 12 06:06:33 2008.

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Noted (about the fourth time). Will change that. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 10:32:03 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:29:16 2008.

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Yeah - I guess that you could take the suggestion and use an asterisk that the policy on the ground actually in effect might be otherwise?

Same dilemma with the G route. Until just after New Year's it will operate as the MTA advertises, but otherwise it will return to just defrauding anyone who believes in the level of service advertised.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:34:23 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Dec 12 08:15:22 2008.

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Adobe Illustrator.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by aixccapt99 on Fri Dec 12 10:38:21 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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137th St on the 1 line is missing.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Michael Wares on Fri Dec 12 14:17:29 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Metro-North disappears south of 149th Street.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 15:00:00 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 11 23:58:13 2008.

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I seriously doubt it. Maybe if the trip actually WAS in Mid-Winter, rather than a week after winter starts.....after finishing the R5 (I haven't decided if I'm gonna stop at Thorn or go all the way to Harrisburg), there's still everything north of Wayne Junction to do, not to mention the various subway lines...

I did post a work-in-progress version of my SEPTA map about a month ago, which has the NEC down to Wilmington on it, which is the bulk of that trip.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 18:39:09 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 15:00:00 2008.

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The trip is actually in Mid-winter. cf Midsummer.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 19:28:45 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by aixccapt99 on Fri Dec 12 10:38:21 2008.

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Already noted, will get to that tonight. Thanks!

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 19:32:30 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Michael Wares on Fri Dec 12 14:17:29 2008.

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It doesn't disappear, but the line becomes gray. I'm going to change the color to something slightly brighter. Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 19:33:58 2008, in response to Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 11 20:06:46 2008.

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'll start revising things over the weekend, since I'm done with finals.

You can keep 'em coming though.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 19:36:35 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 23:43:29 2008.

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"I need to conquer Gold St interlocking next.....I need another drink....."
You're gonna need more than a drink. I'm thinking green! : )

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 19:38:25 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Dec 11 23:43:29 2008.

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"I need to conquer Gold St interlocking next.....I need another drink....."
You're gonna need more than a drink. I'm thinking green! : )

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Dec 12 22:01:38 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 12 10:34:23 2008.

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Adobe Illustrator.

Thank you.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Dec 13 03:51:56 2008, in response to Re: Map Project--IT WORKS NOW!, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 10:19:42 2008.

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*shrug*

I work PM's, and there are four (E) trains in the evening that run local from 75 Avenue to Jamaica - 179 Street. The rest run express as intended barring any service disruptions.

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