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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 11:33:34 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:15:17 2008. In retrospect, much as I would be against it from my perspective as a fan of seeing all sorts of different trains in service, it would have been far more cost-effective to replace rather overhaul. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:43:53 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Dec 11 20:26:16 2008. I remember them more like this, only more R42 than R40:  Not many cars got those double lettered Diamond Jubilee colored bullet rollsigns. I recall them being mostly pink into 1985. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:53:32 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 11:33:34 2008. But they were overhauled and NOT replaced. The MTA simply made due without them. They were able to do so by the 1992 service cuts which significantly reduced the number of cars needed for C service. And that prevented any significant service increases until 2002. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Fri Dec 12 11:56:58 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by South FERRY on Thu Dec 11 18:23:21 2008. Yeh. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 11:59:18 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:53:32 2008. Not just R30s, I meant in my prior post. But all of the trains that received overhaul, perhaps with the exception of the R44/46. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 12:01:36 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by South FERRY on Thu Dec 11 18:23:21 2008. I remember the R42's with no lights, but they at least had the emergency incandescant bulbs at the car ends to at least give you some ability to see. But if you got one without even these, the experience of speeding through a tunnel in darkness only broken up by passing a tunnel light was almost psychedelic. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:05:11 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 12:01:36 2008. 60 St tunnel on the B but especially RR most rides was a wicked psychedelic trip during the good old days. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 12:07:21 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:05:11 2008. I remember one ride on a dark R42 D train in 1986, zooming up the CPW express, back when it actually was FAST. If I had epilepsy, I'd have never made it past 86th St. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:14:15 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 12:07:21 2008. The upshot of riding an R10 on CPW express was that you came off the train deaf and with the sense of being violated by the train too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 12:34:27 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:14:15 2008. Heh, those things roared through Cranberry St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 12 13:22:58 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:14:15 2008. I rode on them many times on the CPW express and the noise level was never intolerable. Heck, compared to Chicago's 6000-series cars in the State St. subway, the R-10s were quiet as mice. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 12 13:25:24 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 11 20:41:21 2008. Not every train can be green-green.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 12 13:27:39 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:43:53 2008. I remember when they started retrofitting the R-32s with those multicolored front route curtains. Never liked the idea; I much preferred seeing a destination sign. Back then, I predicted that someday, front destination signs would return to the R-32s and by golly they did - at least up until GOH. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Dec 12 13:28:58 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 11 13:08:10 2008. with the pink AA circle bullet on the frontAccording to my recollection, the AA had a purple bullet, not pink. 
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 13:47:02 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 12 13:22:58 2008. Were you at a metal concert beforehand? :)Loudest things I ever heard on a regular basis. I don't even think that the Grand St Shuttle approached it. Never had the honor of doing CTA's 6000s. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 14:33:49 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Dec 12 13:28:58 2008. This looks pink to me. Purple is the color of the #7 line. If you want to get technical, I can live with calling it magenta.  |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 14:36:18 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 13:47:02 2008. But those flat-wheeled R27's came close on the shuttle, especially speeding down the grade from 23rd to 34th Sts. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Dec 12 14:37:54 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 14:33:49 2008. Now that you point that out, you are right.My mistake! P.S. Wasn't Magenta one of the women in the Rocky Horror Picture Show? :-) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 14:40:31 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Dec 12 14:37:54 2008. Don't know, I saw it once, then spent thousands on hypnotherapy trying to purge the memory of it from my head. All I remember now is the Time Warp. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Fri Dec 12 16:16:17 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 14:33:49 2008. In those color-crazy days, orange was the map color of the (7) wasn't it? Thanks for the nice pic of the (AA). That color looks about the same Topps used for 1974 California Angels and Chicago Cubs baseball cards. I always thought it was pink too. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Fri Dec 12 16:38:56 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Dec 12 13:28:58 2008. Eighth Avenue was reflective of the times. The (AA), the (CC) was qreen, the (E) was blue and the (HH) was red. I loved the 1974 map with its' color code pennants and station checklists on the back. Thanks for the nice (AA) route bullet image. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 12 18:08:45 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 14:19:13 2008. Actually before 6 Av opened, Concourse service was provided by s C express and a CC local. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Dec 12 18:24:55 2008, in response to The (AA), posted by 67th Avenue on Thu Dec 11 13:05:32 2008. My best memories of the "AA" were from 1971 thru 1973 when I used it to travel from 59th Street to 86th Street on weekends when I went to visit friends on West 90th Street. The stock was particularly R32 in nature- RARELY did I see anything else, and that was pretty much limited to the occasional R42. Before that, I remember seeing R-1s, but that ended pretty quickly (up to mid-1969). I saw an R27 once (1970 I think) and after 1973, it was mixed stuff - R32, then R38 with R42 thrown in for good measure.wayne |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 12 18:26:23 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 11 20:41:21 2008. Probably not. Sometime in the 1970s, the TA changed the markers on most of its lines and the AA markers were changed from R/G to G/R. In the early days of the Ta and possibly the private companies as well, light trains carried Y/Y markers and certain lines like the 1 V/C - S/F, A 207 - Leff, LL and most shuttles carried R/R. After the changes only shuttle and light trains carried R/R and some lines like the J started carrying Y/Y. Also, the concept of "terminal markers" was introduced whereby trains on a given line going to the same terminal carried the same markers regardless of their point of origin. Under the old system, for example, #1 trains from V/C to S/F carried R/R in both directions and #1 trains from 137 St carried W/R in both directions. Under the terminal marker concept, all S/B trains headed for S/F carried Y/R, trains for V/C kept the same markers N/B but trains for 137 St changed to the W/R markers. On the A Line Lefferts bound trains carried R/R in both directions and Far rock Trains carried R/Y in both directions under the old system. Under the new system, Lefferts trains carried R/G S/B and Far Rock trains carried R/Y S/B. N/B both Lefferts and Far Rock trains carried the R/G markers to 207 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 12 18:45:18 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 11 21:46:15 2008. The AA ran just about every configuration of car service imaginable. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the TA didn't want to cut due to equipment problems and the AA ran 8 car trains at all times. I remember the AA from the pre Chrystie days when it ran with all R-9s and on occasion I remember when weekend AA service was provided by R-10s sometime in late 1959/early 1960. Even in r-9 days, there were occasional 8 car AA trains in the shoulder period of th AM rush. The AA/BB service pattern was quite interesting. Midnight service was provided by 3 car trains which were added to 6 car trains for the early part of the AM rush. I don't recall exactly how it was done but for the peak of the AM rush, train length was increased to 8 cars. At the end of the AM rush, tese 8car trains were cut to 2 4 car trains for AA service. In the PM, the first few BBs were 4 cars and these added up upon rturn to 168 St to an 8 car consist. The 2 south cars of the first add were cut off, the 6 north cars were rlayed for a 6 car train and the 2 car butt was pulled to the north end of the station and added to the next arriving 4 car train and th 6 cars were relayed. This continued until all the trains were drilled into 6 car consists. At the end of the PM rush, the 6 car arriving trains were relayed and cut on the southbound track int 2 3 car trains for the PM and midnigh AA service. Some time in the mid 1960s just before Chrystie St (I'm not sure exactly what year), the PM servce pattern changed and the rush hour BB consists were simply added to 8 car consists. This made the cutting down to 3 car consists for the PM a little trickier but still manageable. Immediately after Chrystie, the AA/B service was provided by both R-9s and R-32s and as much as possible, the R-9s were laid up after the rush hours and off peak service was provided by 4 car trains of R-32s although in 1969 when I was a M/M I did operate an 8 car train of R-9s on a midday AA. |
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Posted by El-Train on Fri Dec 12 18:50:05 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 12 11:43:53 2008. Hmm.....so the now-standard MTA white-on-black lettering started popping up in the early '80's? I thought they were still into black-on-white at the time. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Dec 12 18:55:20 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 12:14:15 2008. 5 August 1971 - deaf AND dark on the "A" from 59 to 207 - #3194 was the north motor, and no lights (save for the bulbs neath the bracket fans) - quite a trip, at top speed in the dash and faster still north of 145th. Bouncy, too.-w- |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 12 22:39:53 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 13:47:02 2008. I rode on them mostly in the late 60s through 1970. They weren't so loud back then. OTOH since it was winter, the windows and storm doors were kept closed, so that may have had something to do with it. Those trains didn't putz around, either - they rocketed along CPW, blowing past local stop after local stop as if nothing could stop them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 13 12:28:26 2008, in response to Re: The (AA), posted by 67th Avenue on Fri Dec 12 16:16:17 2008. Yes. The F was the closest to purple used back then. Sometimes colors used by multiple lines had slight differences. The D orange was not as dark as the 7 orange and the red used for the QB was much deeper than for the 2. |
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