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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 24 00:13:43 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Nov 24 00:08:52 2008. True. And that's why a large commuter rail is tough here. NYC grew with/because of mass transit but even now if you took all the jobs in Manhattan and spread them over the entire metro commuter rail wouldn't work as well. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 24 00:23:04 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 24 00:06:08 2008. They should start with converting the Metro Orange Line busway to light rail.Or you could cheat like CTA does and extend the Red Line at grade, but with the exception of using catenary. The only thing that prohibits this isn't a technology issue, but clearances in the tunnels. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 24 00:26:20 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 24 00:23:04 2008. That would be the ideal solution to the Orange Line issue, but I'm not sure if there's enough room for a tunnel portal at North Hollywood -- the station is, after all, quite deep. They'd likely have to rebuild the station to be able to take into account the sharp curve that the Red Line would need to take to be able to continue over the Orange Line route.Another idea would be to build a light rail line between Warner Center and Pasadena via the Orange Line, Bob Hope Airport, downtown Burbank, downtown Glendale, Eagle Rock, and Old Town Pasadena. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 24 00:30:28 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 24 00:26:20 2008. the station is, after all, quite deepOne could always build a tunnel portal further up along the line... :) |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 24 00:32:19 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 24 00:23:04 2008. I don't think that heavy rail at-grade would be politically popular anywhere in LA. Especially not in the valley. |
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Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Nov 24 00:37:41 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Nov 23 23:27:58 2008. Lol, well concidering all the pants pockets those M7's have torn up, I think this is a nice way of 'thanking them' for replacing the M1/3 :) |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Nov 24 01:48:38 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 24 00:13:43 2008. Not necessarily. Stamford hosts one of the largest trading floors in the world. White Plains, New Haven, Jersey City, Newark, Princeton, Morris county, Mineola all have offices connected by rail with significant reverse commuting.The difference is the rails were before the offices and not after. La Defense(Paris) and Canary Wharf(London) are both examples of Buisness districts outside the original city core that are supported by rail. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Nov 24 01:52:04 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 24 00:26:20 2008. That bypasses alot of areas of the Valley thou...Comprehesive coverage is what will get people out of their cars. Washington DC configures it's suburban bus network around feeding the Metro, I was thinking the same thing with LA..... |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 24 02:12:02 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Nov 24 01:52:04 2008. That bypasses alot of areas of the Valley thou...I assume you're referring to my Warner Center/Pasadena light rail idea? That traverses most of the southern Valley while providing Metro Rail service to Bob Hope Airport, Burbank, and Glendale. But it doesn't serve the northern or central parts of the valley. To effectively serve the northern part of the Valley, the Red Line could be extended northwards along Lankershim to potentially serve Pacoima/San Fernando/Sylmar, or it could follow the route of the existing Metrolink tracks west toward Chatsworth. Comprehesive coverage is what will get people out of their cars. Washington DC configures it's suburban bus network around feeding the Metro, I was thinking the same thing with LA..... Los Angeles has (to an extent) done that in certain places. For example a number of bus routes in the San Fernando Valley converge on the North Hollywood station, and the Norwalk station on the Green Line has a number of LACMTA and Norwalk Transit bus routes serving it. Los Angeles also has the Metro Rapid network of limited-stop bus routes that's proven itself to be quite successful. |
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Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon Nov 24 02:51:35 2008, in response to PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Amanda on Sun Nov 23 19:37:24 2008. Boy what's with these M7's now? Nice, thanks for posting! |
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Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 24 07:14:11 2008, in response to LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Charles G on Sun Nov 23 21:17:33 2008. I would say it's safe to bet that the traffic on the LI Expressway and other roads will be heavier than normal today.Perhaps they only saving grace is that it is a holiday week, and some people may have taken the week off. |
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Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 24 07:19:57 2008, in response to Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sun Nov 23 22:01:56 2008. Probably. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 14:42:11 2008, in response to Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 23 13:26:31 2008. So here we are PM rush hour looming and the last LIRR update on the mta web site is from 9:15 AM this morning....... |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 14:46:32 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 14:42:11 2008. Hmm I'm not sure, either, but here's an LIRR statement issued this afternoon:November 24th, 2008 Press Release IMMEDIATE #132 Joe Calderone/Sam Zambuto (718) 558-7301 LIRR President Helena Williams to Discuss Anticipated Delays During Tonight's PM Rush and Provide Briefing on Sunday's Derailment at Jamaica WHEN: Monday, November 24, 1:30 PM WHERE: LIRR Headquarters 93-02 Sutphin Blvd. Jamaica Station, N.Y. President's Conference Room, 3rd Floor MTA Long Island Rail Road President Helena Williams will outline the plan for tonight's PM Rush Hour, which includes canceled trains, delays and a significant adjustment to the across-the-platform connections at Jamaica. She will also provide a briefing on Sunday's derailment at Jamaica. Members of the media wishing to attend are requested to contact the LIRR Press Office at 718-558-7301. ---- I don't see any service advisories up, however. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:05:21 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 14:42:11 2008. Effective 2:55PM the page is updated. There will be 19 cancelled trains for the PM rush. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:15:00 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:05:21 2008. Even Port Washington Branch customers are getting affected. 2 e/b trains cancelled! The 5:29 electric from Hunters Point to Ronkonkoma is cancelled but will originate in Jamaica instead. Plus the last train from Hunters Point, the 6:30 to PJ will instead originate at Mineola. That's going to do you a lot of good because if you are not there in time for the previous train you are stranded! |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Nov 24 15:17:40 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:15:00 2008. Today would have been the day to start the looooooooong Thanksgiving weekend instead of wednesday. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 15:43:11 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:15:00 2008. Even Port Washington Branch customers are getting affected. 2 e/b trains cancelled!There are some equipment swaps, so you have stuff like a Babylon train comes into NYP, changes ends, and goes out to Great Neck. I wonder if trains are going to be changing ends at Jamaica, the ones that are originating/terminating there. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Nov 24 16:22:02 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 15:43:11 2008. at 145pm the 2 western most M7`s were towed by 2 diesels into morris park.about 5 or so years ago the LIRR had a BRANDNEW heavy duty rail crane delivered to holban yard,what the hell ever became of it? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Nov 24 16:36:25 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Nov 24 16:22:02 2008. They probably used it today, why not rerailed yesterday?? simply because wreckgang and track and signal refused to come in on overtime on Sunday.Thats because Helena Williams(Marge Simpson) called her employees thiefs for abusing overtime. |
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Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 24 17:20:05 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Nov 24 16:22:02 2008. I took these on my way home today about 4 PM 
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Re: Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 17:22:19 2008, in response to Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 24 17:20:05 2008. Nice job!!The photos, I mean - not the wreck. :) |
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Re: Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Nov 24 17:33:30 2008, in response to Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 24 17:20:05 2008. Looks like the North White Plains(MNCR)wreck gang got trown in the Mix |
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Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 24 17:56:06 2008, in response to PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Amanda on Sun Nov 23 19:37:24 2008. The stupid LIRR over-scrapped as usual. WHile MN held onto 30 M-1's even though they can probably live without them, LIRR should have mothballed 20 M-1's for a rainy day. |
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Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 18:04:25 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 24 17:56:06 2008. MNCR held onto them because they have a plan for them. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 24 19:58:28 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 15:15:00 2008. "Plus the last train from Hunters Point, the 6:30 to PJ will instead originate at Mineola. That's going to do you a lot of good because if you are not there in time for the previous train you are stranded!"I have a client in Long Island City and have occasionally missed the last railroad train. So I walk over to the 7 and take it to Woodside or change to the E and go to Jamaica. That's hardly "stranded." It's a bit of an inconvenience, but it wouldn't ruin my day. |
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Re: Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Nov 24 19:59:51 2008, in response to Photos (was Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 24 17:20:05 2008. Well, that was a very short life for #7267.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 24 21:26:25 2008, in response to LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Charles G on Sun Nov 23 21:17:33 2008. I didn't know there was a train which originated at Valley Stream. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 21:30:30 2008, in response to Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 23 13:26:31 2008. mta website updated at 9 PM with information about Tuesday AM service. 10 w/b trains cancelled outright, 2 cancelled at Jamaica. 6 AM reverse peak trains cancelled out of Flatbush Ave. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Nov 24 21:46:50 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 21:30:30 2008. why not post it outright.Service Alert Monday, November 24, 2008 9:00 PM LIRR CUSTOMERS ARE ADVISED TO EXPECT CANCELED TRAINS, DELAYS FOR TUESDAY AM RUSH, NOVEMBER 25 MTA Long Island Rail Road customers are advised to anticipate schedule changes that include canceled trains and delays tomorrow (Tuesday) morning as a result of a derailment that occurred in Jamaica on Sunday. Over 200 LIRR employees have been working round-the-clock to re-rail the three train cars on the west end of Jamaica Station. The work also includes repair to the damaged switches and track caused by the derailment. Currently, three tracks remain out of service due to the accident. "We are grateful to our customers for their patience during this time," said LIRR President Helena Williams. "The Monday evening rush hour went smoothly under the circumstances. Our LIRR crews have been working nonstop to repair damaged rail and switches so that we can resume normal operations as soon as is safely possible. We are making progress and will keep our customers updated on our efforts." The Tuesday AM Rush service plan includes cancellation of 12 westbound AM rush trains. As a result, there will be residual delays from added station stops and not all scheduled connections will be available at Jamaica Station to Penn Station, Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn, Hunterspoint Avenue, and Long Island City. LIRR station personnel will be available at Jamaica to assist customers with service information. The modified plan also includes service changes for the eastbound AM Rush � in particular 9 of the 15 eastbound reverse peak trains from Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn will be canceled. Westbound AM Peak Service: The following westbound AM Rush trains will be canceled Tuesday morning in the modified service plan: · 6:25 AM train from Hicksville, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 7:11 AM · 6:26 AM train from Massapequa Park, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 7:22 AM · 6:57 AM train from Freeport, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 7:40 AM. · 7:23 AM train from Hempstead, scheduled to arrive in Flatbush Avenue at 8:20 AM · 7:29 AM train from Freeport, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 8:13 AM · 7:40 AM train from Ronkonkoma, scheduled to arrive in Flatbush Avenue at 9:01 AM · 7:43 AM train from Merrick, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 8:31 AM · 8:03 AM train from Long Beach, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 8:54 AM · 8:03 AM train from Valley Stream, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 8:42 AM · 8:38 AM train from Long Beach, scheduled to arrive in Flatbush Avenue at 9:26 AM The following trains will terminate in Jamaica Tuesday morning: · 7:12 AM train from Hempstead, scheduled to arrive in Penn Station at 8:03 AM · 7:16 AM train from West Hempstead, scheduled to arrive in Flatbush Ave. at 8:03 AM Eastbound (Reverse Peak) Service: LIRR eastbound, reverse peak service from Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn will be extremely limited -- with one passenger train departing the Brooklyn terminal per hour. Customers should consider using Penn Station reverse peak service, which is expected to operate at regularly scheduled times; however customers should anticipate delays en-route. The following reverse peak trains will operate from Flatbush Avenue on Tuesday morning: · 5:29 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in Long Beach at 6:22 AM · 5:52 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in West Hempstead at 6:38 AM · 6:48 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in Long Beach at 7:36 AM · 7:51 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in Hempstead at 8:38 AM · 8:37 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in Hempstead at 9:26 AM · 9:36 AM train from Flatbush Avenue, scheduled to arrive in Hempstead at 10:28 AM Service Updates: The LIRR will continue to update this Service Advisory as track repairs are made. Customers should monitor news media reports and the LIRR's website (at www.mta.info/lirr) for updates to this AM modified service plan and information regarding PM train service. For up-to-date travel service information, customers can also contact the LIRR's 24-hour Travel Information Center in Suffolk County at 631-231-LIRR, in Nassau County at 516-822-LIRR or in New York City at 718-217-LIRR. The Travel Information Center's TDD telephone number for the hearing impaired is 718-558-3022. |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 21:54:01 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 24 19:58:28 2008. "Plus the last train from Hunters Point, the 6:30 to PJ will instead originate at Mineola. That's going to do you a lot of good because if you are not there in time for the previous train you are stranded!"I have a client in Long Island City and have occasionally missed the last railroad train. So I walk over to the 7 and take it to Woodside or change to the E and go to Jamaica. That's hardly "stranded." It's a bit of an inconvenience, but it wouldn't ruin my day. Last eastbound from HPA is # 566 to Oyster Bay, departing at 6:41pm.... |
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Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 22:01:22 2008, in response to Re: LIRR cancellations Monday (Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 24 21:26:25 2008. Makes all stops to NYP, # 2819 |
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Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 24 22:07:48 2008, in response to Re: Another LIRR derailment at Jamaica, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Nov 24 21:54:01 2008. OK. 566 lashes with the wet noodle. |
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