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PATCO refurbished cars - where are they? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Oct 15 23:10:05 2008 Has anyone heard anything about the 12 cars that were allegedly sent away to be rehabbed? Where did they go, and are they coming back anytime soon?I'm curious to see what the final design would be. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Oct 15 23:16:33 2008, in response to PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Oct 15 23:10:05 2008. Does rehab imply a new design? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Oct 16 08:20:00 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Oct 15 23:16:33 2008. I've read that they'll be stripped to their stainless steel shells and be rebuilt inside as totally new cars. I had not heard that the plans had been finalized or that any cars had ben sent out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:21 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by chuchubob on Thu Oct 16 08:20:00 2008. Good. Their interiors are horribly outdated. I hope they leave the mechanics alone, they're some of the fastest third-rail powered trains I've ever rode. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 16 18:13:24 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:21 2008. PATCO has boasted that this is half the cost of new cars. Given their similarity to the LIRR M-1's, perhaps MTA should have pursued a similar procedure, though a rebuild like that may have meant non-compliance with the latest FRA buff standards. PATCO is not subject to it. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Oct 16 19:41:01 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 16 18:13:24 2008. Given their similarity to the LIRR M-1's, perhaps MTA should have pursued a similar procedure, though a rebuild like that may have meant non-compliance with the latest FRA buff standards.Other standards wouldn't be met too, e.g., windows maybe too small to permit evacuation through them. I would like to see the LIRR M3s overhauled, not rebuilt, but whether that's the right call in fact will depend on the cost per unit of the M9s on an augmented order. Plus, PATCO must be getting a very good price on the rebuilds. Most agencies found overhauls didn't make fiscal sense. In retrospect, e.g., NYCT would probably have been better off retiring most of their fleet and purchasing R62/As and R68/As and maybe a 60' version of the R68/A. Of course, as a trainspotter, I would sorely miss the variety, but money is money. PATCO is not subject to it. They're still subject, ideally, to fiscal reason, but if they can do the rebuild for half the cost of new stock, and obtain the same useful life, that's excellent. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri Oct 17 00:05:20 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:21 2008. I can see sprucing up the interiors with new seat coverings, floors, walls, but you know its going to turn out to be another white, bright, sterile, along the lines of an M7 or R-142 style interior with a complete rebuild. I know its outdated, but I don't go for the white, gray, void of color which everything turns out to be now. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 17 10:32:38 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri Oct 17 00:05:20 2008. I just ask for one thing: no periwinkle seats. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 17 10:33:52 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 16 18:13:24 2008. Problem is, PATCO cars are already approaching 40. How long can any overhaul extend their lives? 15 years? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 17 14:01:41 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:21 2008. I hope they leave the mechanics alone, they're some of the fastest third-rail powered trains I've ever rode.Get a job, save up, fly out to SFO, and ride BART. Acceleration rates that spank NYCTA, LIRR/MNRR, and PATCO. MAS at 80mph. OTOH, it's headways reek by subway standards, but would spank any commuter rail agency in North America... |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Oct 17 19:44:02 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 17 14:01:41 2008. Acceleration rates that spank NYCTA, LIRR/MNRR, and PATCOPATCO and BART both accelerate at 3mph/s. OTOH, it's headways reek by subway standards, but would spank any commuter rail agency in North America... All the more reason to build Riverline-like S-bahns here. Spend the money on the expensive downtown tunnel, then do the radial lines as surface routes paralleling or using some rail, pipeline, power, or interstate ROW. Don't blow 200 million a mile on extensions into the boonies. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 18 01:32:11 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 17 10:33:52 2008. Budd equipment will last forever. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 18 01:32:54 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:21 2008. They aren't outdated...they are quaintly retro. |
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Posted by Bill West on Sat Oct 18 02:36:33 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 18 01:32:11 2008. Half of CPR/VIA’s 54 year old Budd built “Canadian” is still making 250,000 miles a year between Toronto and Vancouver. I saw a photo of the shells stripped and cleaned for overhaul during upgrade to HEP in the 90’s, with the grime off they looked absolutely brand new.Bill |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Oct 18 14:11:04 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by WillD on Fri Oct 17 19:44:02 2008. PATCO and BART both accelerate at 3mph/s.I rode both, and I assure you that BART will spank PATCO. The bonus is that the BART fleet wasn't hit by the ugly stick... All the more reason to build Riverline-like S-bahns here. TRUTH! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Oct 18 14:11:40 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Oct 18 01:32:54 2008. they are quaintly retroYes, quaintly retro and ugly... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 15:21:19 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by Bill West on Sat Oct 18 02:36:33 2008. And VIA is known for junking its equipment, isn't it? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 15:23:08 2008, in response to Re: PATCO refurbished cars - where are they?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Oct 18 14:11:04 2008. Umm...BART equipment is UGLY. PATCO equipment looks nice from the side, ad an angle from the front, but the front itself is bland, not necessarily ugly, though. |
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