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brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Sep 24 13:25:55 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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Haven't seen that before.

Apparently they're washing the R32s again; I've seen some shiny ones lately.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 24 15:22:11 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Sep 24 13:25:55 2008.

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I have seen this on the R32's and the R46's

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 15:27:32 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 24 15:22:11 2008.

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Sometimes I wonder how many different roll signs routes and bullets there are on all types of trains.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 24 15:33:04 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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R to Kew Gardens?

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Dan on Wed Sep 24 15:49:02 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 15:27:32 2008.

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The brown diamond "R" is on the R46 and R44(?) as the end rollsigns are compatible with the R40 and R42. Some here believe that R46s were occasionally used on the Nassau Street "R". I think I rode one once into Broad Street but it's 20+ years ago so my memory may be faulty.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by mr_brian on Wed Sep 24 16:34:21 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 24 15:33:04 2008.

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Maybe it was from one of those shuttle trains that run from Jamaica Center to Union Tpke.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 16:47:37 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Dan on Wed Sep 24 15:49:02 2008.

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R-46s couldn't have run on the Nassau St R since BMT Eastern Division platforms cannot berth a 600 ft train.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:24:12 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 16:47:37 2008.

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I remember hearing somewhere that R44 and R46 can travel the Nassau Street line as far as Chambers St and on the spur that ends just before the Manhattan Bridge.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:27:16 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:24:12 2008.

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The cars themselves can fit but since all of the R-44s and most of the R-46s are configured in 4 car units, the liklelihood of a 6 car train of R-46s making it to 95 St is small indeed especially since it would have to originate from Jamaica Yard and S/B service from Queens would require a 600 ft train and a 600 ft trai as I said before will not berth anywhere in the Eastern Division.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by aem7ac on Wed Sep 24 17:40:03 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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i'd imagine that woulda been the M if M weren't the M. R from 95 st via 4 av thence to nassau st. and then what? to jamaica? to metropolitan ave? or go to canal st and then get on the chrystie st connection to go to midtown via 6 ave line, then via the V train routing to continental? is that move even possible?

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:46:10 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:27:16 2008.

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It is my understanding that the old brown diamond R Bankers Trains only ran a few trains solely during rushhours. And those trains ran along time ago. I think about 1967 to 1970. Or that time period. I would guess there were a few trains that were left at Coney Island for that purpose.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:48:23 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by aem7ac on Wed Sep 24 17:40:03 2008.

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Likely when the trains terminated at Chambers Street, they probably turned on the spur track north of the station then deadheaded back to Brooklyn.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:52:55 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:46:10 2008.

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They ran later than that and what is interesting about the service pattern is that at that time the RRs ran to Astoria and 4 PM layups ran light to the H tracks N/O Chambers St for storage. In the AM, these trains operated S/B in service to 95 St where they became the N/B AM bankers' specials to Chambers St. There, all but one laid up on the H tracks. The remaining one ran light to Fresh Pond Yd and came back S/B and went into service at Chambers St along with the others that hed been laid up there midday.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:53:43 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:48:23 2008.

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See my other post.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:59:45 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:52:55 2008.

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The brown diamond R trains (or the one train) were able to run light from Chambers Street to Fresh Pond Yard?

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 24 18:38:23 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:24:12 2008.

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They can travel much further than that..

They can travel over the bridge along the Bway el...to ENY..
Also over the Myrtle El to Metropolitan...



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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:54:25 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:24:12 2008.

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They can, but the Nassau St. R almost never terminated at Chambers St as the maps of the time showed. Almost all went to/from Eastern Pkwy or Metropolitan Ave.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:57:51 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 24 17:52:55 2008.

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By 1986 almost all of them originated/terminated at Metropolitan Ave. In the final months you probably saw more diamond R's on the Myrtle Ave line than actial M's during rush hours.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by kyk7 on Wed Sep 24 23:41:45 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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Saved this a long time ago while browsing here. I forget who took the picture.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by 7 Local on Thu Sep 25 00:04:49 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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I've seen one before as the endsign of the lead car of a R46 R train. Weird sight to see indeed.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Sep 25 00:39:42 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by 7 Local on Thu Sep 25 00:04:49 2008.

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I saw it also on an R46, but it was the middle of the train. 5724 I think that car was.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by 7 Local on Thu Sep 25 12:40:01 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Grand concourse on Thu Sep 25 00:39:42 2008.

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No car number...but proof



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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Sep 25 14:08:51 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:57:51 2008.

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IIRC the Banker's Specials ended when the M was shifted from the Brighton line to the West End line.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:41:08 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Sep 24 17:59:45 2008.

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That's correct.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:42:41 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:57:51 2008.

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I can't recall if all of them went to Met but I seem to recall one or two of them being in service to and from Met.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:47:24 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 24 18:38:23 2008.

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There is a problem at the Bkln end of the Willy B which prevents 2 trains of 75 ft cars from passing each other at that point so in the rare event that a train of 75 footers has to operate into the Eastern, all operating personnel have to be notified to prevent a possible sideswipe even with a train of 60 footers passing in the opposite direction.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:49:50 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:54:25 2008.

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Atually the bankers' specials which in early years carried the "RR" designation did terminate and lay up at Chambers St because I worked there from my time as a Tw/M, M/M and T/D and was directly involved with those services.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 25 18:05:44 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:41:08 2008.

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I thought they couldn't travel past Chambers Street except for the tail tracks that ended before the Manhattan Bridge.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by MJF on Thu Sep 25 18:14:07 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 25 17:49:50 2008.

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I used to get that special on the PM tour as a conductor. the jobs reported to Essex Street and the trainwas laid up somewhere between Canal Street and Bowery. IIRC, we used to go north to Essex St. to turn back southbound and go into service at Chambers.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by VictorM on Thu Sep 25 20:58:00 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 25 18:05:44 2008.

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They were only 60 ft cars.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 22:26:49 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 24 19:54:25 2008.

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I saw plenty of R Special pull into Myrtle from the M line during the mid 80's...

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by error46146 on Thu Sep 25 22:55:28 2008, in response to brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by bulk88 on Wed Sep 24 13:16:43 2008.

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i see it once in a while

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 25 23:13:36 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by VictorM on Thu Sep 25 20:58:00 2008.

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Were some of the brown diamond R train consists either R44 or R46 cars?

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 23:43:24 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 25 23:13:36 2008.

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No...

In most cases..they were R27/30A/32...with some 42's tossed in for good measure...but it was usually anything that came out of either ENY or CIY [the same cars used on the QJ/J/M]...

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by JBar387 on Fri Sep 26 02:15:49 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by mr_brian on Wed Sep 24 16:34:21 2008.

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Nope, There has not been shuttle trains for the last 3 weeks. Just Buses on the overnight for some track work. But that was a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: brown diamond R train rollsign

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 27 14:15:26 2008, in response to Re: brown diamond R train rollsign, posted by 7 Local on Thu Sep 25 12:40:01 2008.

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Nice!

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