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Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'' |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 06:16:18 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by WillD on Wed Aug 27 23:31:14 2008. In the Northeast there are at least a few right of ways which could be used to minimize impact and reduce land acquisition costs.And the Midwest is, if anything, even better in that respect. Not true at all. Land costs in California's Central Valley are extremely low when compared with those in the suburbs surrounding the cities. That segment would comprise the most critial high speed trunk portion of a California High Speed Rail system. Isn't there some mountain-range blocking off the Central Valley at one end? Presumably they're planning some massive tunnel or something. High speed rail is in general hurt by high density outside of the anchor cities. What's the point of doing 200mph past a bunch of homes that could have provided paying passengers? Bosnywash! |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 28 09:33:51 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 04:55:39 2008. Don't we all! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 09:41:28 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by hhp664 on Thu Aug 28 01:03:45 2008. Why do you prefer AC motors?The only real advantage is at low speeds, since DC motors can't hold low speeds because it burns up the brushes due to current, or something. Also, the AC motors on the Arrows supposedly messed up their performance. The reason you rebuild instead of buying new is to save money, and to use resources more efficiently... Do you really want to start replacing locomotives every 25-30 years? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 09:45:49 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Aug 28 01:17:33 2008. No, it is just that many new things, like subway cars, and locomotives, aren't built as well as the older ones. I am sure you heard the saying "they don't build them like they used to". And that is referring to longevity. New things don't last as long as older things. Too much plastic used where it shouldn't be, very buggy, and sensitive electronics...Heck, even new cell phones are junk compared to old ones. The original Nokias lasted YEARS...now, after a few years, cell phones start going to the chit, and the batteries are worthless. Cell phones these days have become more like fashion statements that useful things, and the companies must spend more time designing the outer case than the inside electronics. It is actually a problem within our society, and materialism, that stimulates such things to occur. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 28 11:08:13 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 09:41:28 2008. Variable frequency asynchronous AC motors of the type used in the AEM7ACs, the R142s, the PCC IIs, the SD70MACs, the TGV Atlantique, Reseau, and Duplex,and just about any other MU or locomotive built since the early 1990s do not have brushes or commutators. As i attempted to illustrate in an earlier discussion the permanent magnets are mounted on the rotor, and the field magnets are mounted on the motor housing. This means there is no need to transmit electric power to the rotor and no need for brushes. Instead because the field magnets alternately attract and repel the permanet magnets on the rotor the railcar or locomotive can sit stalled at full current without fear of burning up its motors. Even in lower torque applications, like subway cars, the lack of brushes make asynchronous AC motors VASTLY cheaper to maintain than any DC motor. The computer contolled frequency generators which inevitably accompany VVF AC motors also give then a level of efficiency and controlability unrivalled by other AC or DC motors. DC motors are nearly obsolete in all but a few applications, and those are likely sensitive to stray voltages with broadband frequencies and the mess of harmonics that could create. |
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Posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Thu Aug 28 11:15:01 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 09:41:28 2008. the AC motors on the Arrows supposedly messed up their performance.It made their top speed lower IIRC. From what ive read when the arrow III's had DC traction they could go well over 100 MPH, wheres with the AC Traction they only go as high as 80 MPH. The arrows used to have a higher top speed with the AC traction, but whenever they would go higher than 80 MPH their motors would start to burn up so it was lowered to 80. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:30:32 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by WillD on Thu Aug 28 11:08:13 2008. Well, I read that the ARROW III AC motors had issues of cracking at high speeds. If you stall an AC motor, it can still burn up, by the way, even the field windings can burn up, if not, the rotor can be damaged due to overheating. And by the way, from what I know, there are no permanent magnets in those motors, rather, there are aluminum rods, and the motors run off of induction. Though AC motors are tougher due to their simpler nature, it is still possible to build a tough DC motor. Plus, I don't know how often they service either motor. Note that the R142 MDBFs aren't that great, and R68s outperform them. Maybe it has nothing to do with motors though.Do you know, by any chance, how often the brushes are changed on those motors? I know AC motors are more robust, but their controllers are not so robust... On the other hand, DC motors are not as robust as AC ones, though they are still robust, and the controllers are definately simpler, and more durable than AC controllers. Plus the parts are more interchangeable. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Aug 28 12:31:56 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 06:16:18 2008. Isn't there some mountain-range blocking off the Central Valley at one end? Presumably they're planning some massive tunnel or something.There would have to be a tunnel north of Santa Clarita. The current rail line that passes through the mountains is only a single track, which makes most Amtrak service through the mountains impossible due to the high number of freight trains using the corridor. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 12:57:02 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 06:11:44 2008. Yes, I believe they will be second class. If you have been on a Pendolino over the past six weeks or so you could have ridden first class on a standard class ticket. They downgraded coach G (a first class coach) to standard for the duration of the school holidays. I've been in there a couple of times, it's great to sit in one of those huge seats for the price of a cheap day return from Crewe to Liverpool. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:00:41 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JohnL on Wed Aug 27 15:48:12 2008. Right here John. Basically 31 Pendolinos (for now) will go to 11 cars and four new 11-car trains will be built. One of the new ones is to replace the train which came to serious grief last year in Cumbria and was written off. The suggest that all of the Pendolinos may, eventually, become 11-car trains and not before time I can tell you. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:03:18 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Chicagopcclcars on Wed Aug 27 19:11:34 2008. That's a real classy post you made. It says a lot more about you, than it does the original poster. At least he admits to being a kid! |
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Posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Thu Aug 28 13:05:38 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:03:18 2008. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOUO COWARD. Why is it everrything you don't understand is BAD IN YOUR ASSHOLE EYESIGHT?You call that classy? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Aug 28 13:07:39 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Thu Aug 28 13:05:38 2008. sarcasm |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 13:14:02 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Easy on Thu Aug 28 13:07:39 2008. It got his attention. Remember the story about the talking mule?? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 13:20:16 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:00:41 2008. An entire 11 car train was written off? why? |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:28:23 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Thu Aug 28 13:05:38 2008. Not in the slightest. See Easy's post. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:33:30 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 13:20:16 2008. They are only nine-car trains for the moment, but never mind. It was because (as I remember) a set of points/switches moved when the train was passing over them at about 100mph and the it ended up off the tracks and down an embankment. One or two cars were wrecked but the others were OK/could be fixed. However each car is very 'particular' and contains specific equipment, thus the train could not be used without the wrecked cars. It was written off by the insurance company; the cars that were OK are, I believe, now used by Virgin as stationary training vehicles.See here. |
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Posted by hhp664 on Thu Aug 28 13:53:16 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 09:41:28 2008. Doesn't make a differance to me. Buy new every 25-30 years i only have 18 years left to retire. Who the hell wants to run some old broken down junk for 30+ years. i suppose you still have the first car you bought and rebuild every so often. If you keep rebuilding it every 10 years or so it doesn't save money. The DC AEM 7's should go. Well the AC AEM 7's run good and accelerate better and have better dynamic and blended brake also unlike Dc motors if you lose a traction motor you still have dynamics just like in the AC freight motors. |
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Posted by hhp664 on Thu Aug 28 14:04:59 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 04:53:16 2008. Thats what i meant ALP-46a's or whatever there designation is. Supposeedly the orginal ALP-46's are going to regeared also when the new ones arrive. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 14:34:22 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:33:30 2008. I see, thanks for the info. Only one person died... After the accident, though.I wonder how well those cars are built, I read that American railcars are the most well built, due to the FRA's high standards. American railcars also seem to survive wrecks... But I guess it depends on the wreck. In the end, it is a shame that the switch malfunctioned, and it seems to be caused by lack of inspection or something. Plus, I think they should have a time limit on those switches, about ten to fifteen seconds or so(fast trains will pass faster than that) after the switch detects the train passing by...to prevent things like this from occuring. Such accidents occured in NYCTA as well, where an R46, I believe, the last car's rear was sent to diverge, and it was slammed against the tunnel supports, and it split in two. Guess those R46s aren't well built, but who knows. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 14:49:20 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Dave on Thu Aug 28 09:33:51 2008. The hoggers certainly do not. At least the hoggers I know on NJT that used to run them, towards their last runs in the 80s . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 14:50:50 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 06:06:11 2008. leave NJT with running trains serving sub-rural middle-of-nowhere locationsNot very many of those in "North Jersey". Hoboken and Jersey City are very urban indeed. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 17:59:32 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 12:57:02 2008. If you have been on a Pendolino over the past six weeks or so you could have ridden first class on a standard class ticket.Shame I was in Cardiff from June until last week... The most exciting train I got was that 121 they have on the Bay Shuttle a few times. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 28 19:18:01 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 14:34:22 2008. In the end, it is a shame that the switch malfunctioned, and it seems to be caused by lack of inspection or something. Plus, I think they should have a time limit on those switches, about ten to fifteen seconds or so(fast trains will pass faster than that) after the switch detects the train passing by...to prevent things like this from occuring.It wasn't that sort of malfunction. It was a crossover to allow single-line working in an emergency, and therefore shouldn't have been moving at all. The problem was that the track maintenance people hadn't done their job properly. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 20:57:54 2008, in response to Re: Acela schedule (Re: Amtrak may ...), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 28 00:04:16 2008. Why would it be non-stop though? Why not stop in Newark? They don't have express tracks. And the trains slow down as well. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 28 21:02:40 2008, in response to Re: Acela schedule (Re: Amtrak may ...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 20:57:54 2008. It would be non-stop so that it would be faster. Isn't that obvious? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 21:10:46 2008, in response to Re: Acela schedule (Re: Amtrak may ...), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 28 21:02:40 2008. By only two minutes. Maybe less, since Newark would be a slower station to approach, though I am not sure, maybe Philly is a slower station to pass by... But after Newark, there is a curve, and switches, trains don't go that fastt around that area anyways.Plus, you loose many potential riders. Trenton, on the other hand, is a FAST express station. I was on the platform there once, and a GEEP pulling a few coaches BLASTED by at what must have been 100MPH(my estimation), and it picked up a lot of dust as it passed by. And the amtrak express goes faster, most likely. You will never see trains blowing by Penn station at anything greater than 45 MPH, I think, so there is not much use. Same might be true for Philly. New york penn as well, since trains go through there even SLOWER. And the fact that it was non-stop might be the reason it didn't have enough ridership. Kind of like the NX in NYC...it ran over the express tracks in brookln, or sonething, though I forget the exact configuration. Or was it non-stop from 34th to Stillwell? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 28 21:11:31 2008, in response to Re: Acela schedule (Re: Amtrak may ...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 21:10:46 2008. And the fact that it was non-stop might be the reason it didn't have enough ridership.Duh. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Aug 28 23:27:58 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 27 22:05:01 2008. The Fulton Transit Center would be a great place to put one IMO. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 04:35:32 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Aug 28 23:27:58 2008. Well then, you're going to have to kick PATH out of there. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 29 05:19:25 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 04:35:32 2008. Or just make it very very deep. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 29 11:47:21 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:03:18 2008. I have to agree, he asked a question, he didn't go on with his usual babble...although I'm sure that will come. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 29 11:51:56 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Thu Aug 28 11:15:01 2008. With transit MUs, acceleration is more important than top speed. Is acceleration better with AC than DC? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 29 12:01:36 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 04:50:38 2008. Obviously, if you're going to implement this massive an infrastructure project, you'll make the stations to accomodate the trains. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 12:16:43 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 29 11:51:56 2008. I saw some SEPTA Silverliner MUs pull out of stations pretty quickly. They ALL have DC motors. Though I don't know the exact statistics. Nor do I know h HP rating. Though I think the Arrows were rebiult with more powerful motors, but fewer. Each double unit has one unpowered truck. I think I read here that the DC LIRR M3s have better acceleration than M7s. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 29 16:40:10 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 04:35:32 2008. Is the new World Trade Center terminal going to be part of the Fulton Transit Center? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 16:40:53 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 29 16:40:10 2008. No, as far as I know. One is PA, the other is MTA. There's probably going to be a connection passageway between them (if they haven't gotten rid of that yet.) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 16:41:15 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 04:35:32 2008. PATH goes to Fulton Street now? That's news to me.... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Aug 29 16:48:54 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 16:40:53 2008. Alright, thanks for the info. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 17:34:48 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 16:41:15 2008. Fulton and Trinity, anyhow.Thing is, I'm still figuring out where to put a commuter rail station anywhere in that vicinity. It'd have to go from WTC to at least Nassau, unless it's a little rinkydink station like 34th Street Batcave. (How much would a deep-level 20-track station cost, after all?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 17:37:24 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 29 12:01:36 2008. I can't say that is really the right way to do it. Especially after hundreds of years of building the trains to accommodate the stations (which is still being done, e.g. NJT mulitlevels, SEPTA Silverliner Vs). |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 17:55:52 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 17:34:48 2008. Why do you call NY penn a Batcave? Just because it lacks the nice building, doesn't mean the tunnels were altered. Or were they? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 17:58:22 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 17:55:52 2008. Why do you call NY penn a Batcave?Where did I say "NY Penn"? I mentioned the 34th Street Station that's supposed to be built 100 feet below Macy's. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 18:15:05 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 17:58:22 2008. Oh, you mean for the metro north connection?Had PATH gone to GCT, there probably wouldn't be a need for that... But the MTA crime association does not want to loose the monopoly, and wants as much federal $$$$ to waste as possible. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 30 03:45:38 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 18:15:05 2008. Oh, you mean for the metro north connection?He means the proposed THE Station aka "NYP North". It's a badly designed NJT project that hopefully will never happen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 04:05:56 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 30 03:45:38 2008. We agree on something. I suspect this will come crashing to the ground once a change in adminstration occurs . . . |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 30 09:42:53 2008, in response to Re: Amtrak may Lengthen Acela Express Trainsets to ''Meet Demand'', posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 30 03:45:38 2008. He means the proposed THE Station aka "NYP North".Ahem. "New York Penn Station Extension" is what the politburo uses in its literature. :) |
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