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Increased Capacity HST In Europe |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008 Just what WOULD Amtrak do if demand increased.....was always a popular discussion. The power cars had sufficient power to haul more cars was always a given. Maybe if Amtrak could improve on trainset availability, they might double a set like the Thalys and TGV. On my last trip I was treated to a private tour of the ICE servicing facility in Hamburg and talk about availability, of their 59 assigned sets, 55 are available daily. Topping that is the 60 minute servicing cycle. Anyway, here's two trainsets.Paris to Zurich via 200 MPH line.;   Thalys at Paris   David Harrison |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 28 00:25:42 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. Just what WOULD Amtrak do if demand increasedadd cars |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Aug 28 00:32:20 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. Slightly OT, but...The first shot is spectacular. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 28 00:51:18 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. I keep waiting for SNCF to go ahead with their powered Duplex intermediate car concept. There are some two unit TGV Duplex sets that run without being separated from Paris to Marseille. Those sets currently lose a bit of space to the two powercars in the center and for a while it sounded like SNCF was going to get some duplex cars with gangways to a coupled set and motors to create 18 car walk-through trains. I believe it was called the TGV Duplex Grande Capacite project, and at least garnered an illustration on Wikipedia: When they ran the 350mph train with powered intermediate cars I thought it was a sign they were pursuing the TGV DGC project, but so far I haven't seen anything else on it. |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Aug 28 01:15:59 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 28 00:25:42 2008. Short of buying new cars....in a new ratio perhaps, of business class and first class, time consuming and expensive, the quickest availability of cars would be in a trainset freed up by a more efficient maintenance cycle or less hold-back due to increased reliability. Depending on how the new higher demand is spread out or concentrated, a spare trainset could be divided up and spread throughout the system or if a peak exists, a double trainset AKA European practice. If ICE worked like Amtrak, their 55 out of 59 would be more like 39 out of 59.David |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 02:43:19 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. Germany's running 16-car ICE trains too.Acela Express has couplers in the nose of the power cars, as well. First, though, you have to get the trainsets up to eight cars, like the German and French trains. And frankly, it's not a question of demand. This really is a case of "if you build it, they will come". |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Aug 28 02:53:06 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. That's all well and good, but can our stations platform such long trains? (I know some can, but probably not all.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 03:08:28 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Aug 28 02:53:06 2008. The stations that matter should be able to. After all, they had to platform trains in excess of 20 cars in the past . . . |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:00:19 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Aug 28 00:32:20 2008. Thanks for the compliment.Dave |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:15:07 2008, in response to Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 00:21:01 2008. Hmm, what do you mean by a 60 minute servicing cycle? They get inspected, cleaned, and get maintanence all in 60 minutes? |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:31:35 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:15:07 2008. You don't believe its possible??? They also do any wheel changeout needed, and any mechanical repair or replacement within the same time frame, so its not just routine cleaning and maintenance. If you would spend less energies spouting off the mouth about keeping old equipment and stop arguing with people who know and have done transportation business for their lifetimes, and stop claiming that transit agencies and their managers are all liars and thieves, you would get better. But you seem steadfastly determined to never change. And at such a young age, how you got so stymied is a mystery to us all. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:33:51 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:31:35 2008. Hmm, how do they change the wheels? Do they heat them and press them on like in America? Or are those bolt on wheels?Also, how do you get a private tour of the shops? |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:41:19 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:33:51 2008. No to either.....they change out the entire wheelset.You get private tours by being respectful and by not being accusatory against everything and everyone. You build a personality that supports mutual trust and friendships. You remind me of several unruly classes who dared ask, "Why don't you take us on field trips?" "You're lucky I take you to the washroom." |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:46:49 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:41:19 2008. I see, thanks. |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe/K-Car Lessons Learned |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 12:07:30 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 11:46:49 2008. There's your response that means, "nothing will change."I see, thanks. You "see" what? You understood what part of the conversation? You will attempt, or not attempt what changes? And when you evaluate your prior performances here on SubChat, ask yourself. Who on SubChat would take you "behind the scenes", who here have you built up a trust with based on what you have done, what you have written. If answers you come up with are not to your liking, then ask yourself why did you do what you did and was it worth it? |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe/K-Car Lessons Learned |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 12:42:38 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe/K-Car Lessons Learned, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 12:07:30 2008. I understood that they change out wheelsets, which is definately faster than shanging out a single wheel.I haven't met anyone here in person. The only person that I know I met, who people her know, is Denis Riga. What did I "do"? I know I complain about the managment, but I never attack people here. I know sometimes that I can seem arrogant, but I acrually know I have much to learn. It is just that people sometimes say stuff, and it is not correct. And when it turns out I am correct, no apologies. I, however, do apologize when I argue, and it turns out I was wrong. |
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Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe/K-Car Lessons Learned |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 13:11:17 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe/K-Car Lessons Learned, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 28 12:42:38 2008. Better response this time. I gotta go to work. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:22:59 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 11:31:35 2008. All he did was ask a question. No need to go off at the deep end is there? Shit like that, as I have said, makes more of a statement about you than it does anyone else. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 14:53:43 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 13:22:59 2008. All he did was ask a question. No need to go off at the deep end is there?You need to read a few more of K-Car's posts. Mr. Harrison is justified indeed. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:07:24 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 14:53:43 2008. I have read plenty. No, he wasn't justified. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 15:13:50 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:07:24 2008. You may have read plenty, but not enough. K-car owes Harrison an apology and then some. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:18:28 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 15:13:50 2008. Oh right. I must of missed the posts you're talking about Olog so perhaps you could point me in their direction? I've seen one or two where Chicagowhatever is frothing and swearing away like some kind of lunatic though. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:18:52 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:18:28 2008. 'must have', even.... |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 19:44:46 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:18:28 2008. So sorry you have that impression of me, I'll work to improve it, for judging from your posts of info and photos, you are one person among many that have made fine contributions to this forum.Regarding the comments I made to one K-Car, trust me I am not the first to tell him that and in those exact words. I only judge the right or wrong of it this way...he knows me, he remembers who I am, he understands somewhat what changes I believe he needs to make in his very young years....he's only completed high school. David |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Aug 29 08:57:15 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 03:08:28 2008. Yeah, double stops every where. I live in Baltimore, and PRR ran 23 and 24 car trains (always through cars from the southern trains) with 2 G's on the head end. Stop the train with the first 15 cars on the platforms, pull up and load the last 8 or 9 cars.PRR wasn't running trains on 10 minute headways, so it never slowed the railroad down. |
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Posted by Deaks on Fri Aug 29 10:25:16 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Thu Aug 28 19:44:46 2008. OK, fair enough. Yes the guy can be a little OTT but he does (seemingly) mean well and appears harmless. |
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Posted by Deaks on Fri Aug 29 10:26:10 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Thu Aug 28 15:18:28 2008. So I assume by your silence, Olog, you can talk the talk but walking the walk is a problem! |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Aug 29 10:43:22 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Deaks on Fri Aug 29 10:25:16 2008. "A little over the top" is way to mild. Go back and read about the bananas and the golden nuggets. I do get the feeling that he really, really feels he has done little wrong, because as he says, he doesn't attack forum members...only those so-called invisible managers and CEOs. Well there are a lot of people on here who think they could do the job better, but they are not in the same boat as K-Car. If he could move away from those blatant attacks and the feeling that riders really want to ride 30 year old cars, he's OK in my book. Some changes have been made to his credit. Now to work.Dave |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 18:19:41 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Aug 29 10:43:22 2008. Only problem with your post is that passengers don't mind riding 30 year old cars as long as they are maintained, and comfortable. New cars are less comfortable. And some people thought Arnines were new in the december runs... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 19:10:55 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Aug 29 08:57:15 2008. That's a wonder that Baltimore was like that and the PRR didn't extend the platforms at Baltimore Penn. Newark NJ has some really long platforms; the Amtrak LD trains with 16-car trains left so much room to spare.What about the B&O? |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Aug 29 19:15:00 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 18:19:41 2008. It's a rather obvious conclusion that passengers would rather ride new vehicles than 30 year old ones..the only logical exception would be when historical equipment is run. Your opinion that most passengers wouldn't mind riding maintained and comfortable cars goes against the accepted norm, therefore your statement needs backing to prove your point....a survey, testimony from passengers. Since you didn't ride the historic NYC trains, how can you make that statement that they were mistaken for new trains, with sincerity. You might want it to be true, but wanting is not factual.When its your opinion, own up to that. Let your statements stand on their own merits. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 19:41:37 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Aug 29 18:19:41 2008. New cars are less comfortable.How can you prove that? |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Aug 29 21:20:36 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 19:41:37 2008. K-Car never proves anything. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Aug 30 05:26:58 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 19:10:55 2008. That's a wonder that Baltimore was like that and the PRR didn't extend the platforms at Baltimore Penn.Might that have something to do with all those bridges getting in the way? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Aug 30 05:28:47 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Aug 29 19:41:37 2008. "New cars are less comfortable."How can you prove that? If he were talking about long-distance trains in Britain, that would be demonstrably true. Everyone knows that they've been using harder, cheaper seats. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 16:07:05 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Aug 30 05:28:47 2008. If he were talking about long-distance trains in Britain, that would be demonstrably true. Everyone knows that they've been using harder, cheaper seatsThat's very ambiguous language used to illustrate what's supposed to be fact. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Aug 30 18:08:33 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 16:07:05 2008. It was all over the magazines a few months ago. One of them (IIRC, it was RAIL) explained exactly how "ergonomic" was a bullshit term for "cheap". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 18:15:05 2008, in response to Re: Increased Capacity HST In Europe, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Aug 30 18:08:33 2008. Thanks for being more specific.And yes, "ergonomics" is a plague that has invaded offices and industry beyond rail transport. |
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