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Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 4 15:54:03 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 14:16:43 2008. I disagree. If the people want to go to Manhattan, and are willing to pay for it, give it to them, at slightly inflated prices. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:04:06 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 4 15:54:03 2008. I see your point. It's unlikely that the inflated prices will come to pass, though. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 4 17:20:40 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 12:19:58 2008. I expect the latter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:25:47 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 12:19:58 2008. There's actually a third outcome — project executed (barely) but locomotives retired in less than a decade after poor performance. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:29:23 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 4 10:24:25 2008. Bombardier in Bensalem . . . hah. How about they reopen the Barre VT plant and put some Americans back to work? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:30:21 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by j trainloco on Fri Jul 4 11:29:54 2008. False argument and poor "Luddism" joke. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:34:56 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 11:42:03 2008. How can it work out? Either one or both components has to get drastically smaller. So far, the most horsepower out of twelve cylinders is about 4,400, and such locomotives on C-C trucks weigh over the 400,000-lb mark. Can we squeeze 4,000 horses out of an eight or six cylinder prime mover? On the transformer side, we are still limited by the equation VS/VP = NS/NP, so you can't reduce the number of turns necessary for voltage step-down. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 4 17:43:19 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:04:06 2008. If gas prices keep rising, I say keep making moderate fare increases (with corresponding service increases and other general improvements). |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 4 18:07:29 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:29:23 2008. Hmm are not enough Americans employed in Platsburgh's Bombardier shop.And in Dansville New York???? , The Barre Vt plant was a transportation nightmare. And in Bensalem PA , thse are not Americans ??? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 4 18:30:14 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 3 23:31:45 2008. LIRR should electify to Speonk as well. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:36:56 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 3 23:31:45 2008. I believe we all can agree on that. (Not the Bergen County Line or the Raritan Valley Line though? How about the Atlantic City Line?) |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 18:42:01 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 12:09:10 2008. Who said anything about running the Super Steels to the Secaucus lower level ? They can build a 5th track on the upper level, and relay LIRR MU's on the 2 middle tracks on the upper level. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:43:38 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 4 18:07:29 2008. So because the Barre plant was a "transportation nightmare" (details?), it's not worth it to fix whatever problems existed there to put people back to work?No, not enough Americans are being put to work by these supposedly beneficient companies. Putting Americans out of work is not excusable. The NJT multi-levels should have been built on US soil and not in Canada. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 18:46:46 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 4 13:20:08 2008. Of course the #7 extension was thrown out. It's easy, cheap, utiliarian, and requires no specialty equipment. Not a contractor's wet dream. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 18:53:48 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:25:47 2008. That's possible too, although it would be maybe the worst outcome of all. A new, more numerous, bunch of FL9ACs or DM TurbolinersThen again, there could also be a change in NJT management which would try to get out of this arrangement. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 18:57:37 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 17:34:56 2008. How can it work out?I wouldn't know. I'm the one surprised that they're still trying this approach. I was speculating that even if by whatever unforeseen technological miracles they were successful, NJT is doing both guinea pig and wallet work. |
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Posted by Russ on Fri Jul 4 19:07:39 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 12:30:10 2008. Given the short distances involved, it might make sense to consider extending the Flushing Line across the river.That would be a funding nightmare for an NYC subway to operate in New Jersey. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:10:38 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Russ on Fri Jul 4 19:07:39 2008. We got precedent. MTA express buses from Staten Island to Manhattan already operate into NJ, as does the S89 to the HBLR in Bayonne. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:12:49 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 18:42:01 2008. Trouble with that is the lack of capacity at certain peak times through the North River Tunnels. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:16:08 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Russ on Fri Jul 4 19:07:39 2008. That would be a funding nightmare for an NYC subway to operate in New Jersey.Bureaucratically, it would be a huge challenge. Possibly, it could be resolved by ceding the Flushing Line to PATH. But less drastic measures might also work. It's not much more crazy than the idea tossed around in some quarters to have HBLR extended to SI. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:17:35 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 07:59:39 2008. Uh-huh. SEC is not set up for turning big trains, and there's no through-ticketing. How is LIRR going to be convinced to buy GE dual-modes? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:21:25 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:17:35 2008. I was misled by the extension of 3rd rail, but he literally means to extend 3rd rail just beyond SEC, and to run LIRR EMUs into SEC, so DM30s wouldn't be required. NJT would lease the trains.However, the interlocking difficulties would mean reconfiguration, and there isn't available capacity at all times in the North River Tunnels. (THE tunnel doesn't connect to NYP). |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 19:27:11 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:12:49 2008. Yes, I know, so you run the new Tunnels to the real NYPS, and forget the bunker, maybe side cut and build station track 1A, 2A, 22, 23 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:30:09 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:21:25 2008. Indeed.NJT won't lease any LIRR trains, though. Some people hold onto a fantasy of turning all the commuter rails around here into RER; but SNCF didn't destroy all of their commuter stations for the purposes of implementing RER nor replace all of their traditional commuter rail with RER. Don't we all have fantasies? One of mine was for the completion of the LIRR to Boston, via a tunnel under LI Sound to New Haven and then onto the former NH Air Line towards Boston, in order to achieve a 2-hour ride between NYP and BOS. This would mean the replacement of all third rail on the LIRR with overhead wire of course and the end of all diesel operations (we can start hauling around the C3s with ALP46As, huzzah huzzah). I also want to run the Royal Blue from Jersey City to Washington DC again. Ugh, me=t3h ph04m. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 4 19:30:34 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:43:38 2008. All cars in Barre were just assembled, the shells came from la pocatier QuebecThe plant is at elevation and can only be switched one car at time, due to a see saw track heading down hill, Currently Bombardier employes more Americans that when the Barre Vt was in operation. curently no stainless steel shells are produced in USA, other than at the Kawasaki plant in Nebraska, all other car shells for all manufacurers are imported. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 19:32:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:17:35 2008. The relay track that stores an engine west of Secaucus can be extended.NJT can lease the services of the out of use LIRR MU train. It would still be an NJT service. The inept little darlings running NJT and LIRR wouldn't have to thru-ticket even though their predecessors did 40 years ago before computers. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 4 19:32:22 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 4 18:30:14 2008. Or at least to Patchogue. |
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Posted by Russ on Fri Jul 4 19:32:29 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:16:08 2008. Bureaucratically, it would be a huge challenge.Thinking about it makes my head hurt. Who pays for what portion's operations? What happens if there is a disagreement at some point over the funding formula? Can the NY side simply cease service across the Hudson? Possibly, it could be resolved by ceding the Flushing Line to PATH. That would definitely resolve some of the problems, but it introduces new ones. How is fare control handled in Manhattan? A much greater issue is, "why is the City of New York ceding its assets for the benefit of New Jersey? Will NJ consent to the reintroduction of the commuter tax?" It's not much more crazy than the idea tossed around in some quarters to have HBLR extended to SI. That strikes me as more of a PATH situation, but we'll have to see how that plays out. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 19:35:30 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 18:53:48 2008. Turboliners are out of use throughout the planet except Egypt. Doesn't mean NJT wouldn't be stupid and wreckless enough to attempt it.The first 5 go to A.M.T. (Montreal). If they prove overwwight, underperforming, or shop queens, there should be an out (with Acela-style lawsuits). I predict all the above. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 19:38:44 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:10:38 2008. To say nothing of NJT operating a Metro North-funded service north of Suffern and north of the state border on the Pascack, as well as Metro-North running east of Port Chester on Connecticut's dime.The accounting would be far easier than what NJT is planning to build in Manhattan. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:49:54 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 4 19:35:30 2008. What's really strange is that NJT management not so long ago - I remember reading it at the time, even - was in favor of further electrification. And then all of that was revisited, up until the present point where the dual mode idea is apparently once again all the rage. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 22:46:33 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 4 19:49:54 2008. The late Warrington brought in the crazy AC catenary dual-mode idea. Hmm, how come he didn't get any of those for Amtrak while he was there, so that they wouldn't need to do engine changes for trains to Pittsburgh and Newport Snooze/Richmond, run up the Inland Route, and have supplemental dual-mode power for the Empire Corridor . . . ? (Hmm, maybe because they couldn't be built?) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 5 06:30:59 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 19:30:09 2008. Leasing LIRR trains as shuttles is a fantasy as long as politicians allow NJT wander on a long leash, put out expensive ann shitty service, and order engines that can't be built to spec, let alone not perform reliably.As I said a month ago, it is time to bust up NJT. They have gotten to much like the old DMV: arrogant, inept, and expensive. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 5 06:34:59 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 4 19:32:22 2008. You can't lay-up trains in Patchogue for more than an hour. That's why Speonk is the terminus. The end of commuter service commercially is really Mastic-Shirley. AM rush loadings at Speonk itself is like 30 or 40. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 5 10:31:43 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:36:56 2008. Electrifying the Atlantic City Line is not a bad idea. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 11:31:08 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 5 06:34:59 2008. Indeed. Speonk is the logistical choice for an intermediate terminal, if electrification were not to continue further east. The yard is at Speonk, and it's also the end of speed control, and probably also the limit of daily commuters at the present running times. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 11:38:39 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Russ on Fri Jul 4 19:32:29 2008. It will be difficult, but at a certain point, it will be either embracing such thinking and overcoming the bureaucratic hurdles or else losing lots of money over the long term in bus service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 11:39:42 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 4 18:30:14 2008. Ridership drops off dramatically, Patchouge is the logical place to end electrification. Check the timetables to see how much more service there is to the west of Patchouge as opposed to east of it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 11:42:08 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 5 06:34:59 2008. You could if you build an island platform a little further east where there's space, much like what was done to Ronkonkoma in the mid 1980's. There's no real need for a yard, as Huntington has operated as a terminal since then for almost 40 years without one. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 11:48:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:36:56 2008. The RVL should be #1 on NJT's list of electrification expansion projects. It's connected to the NEC and has a high, ever increasing ridership. I'm sure NJ and CSA can come to an understanding about routings through Union and Roselle. To ease the financial burden, it should be divided into two stages, first to Plainfield, then to Raritan. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 11:48:13 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 18:36:56 2008. Not the Bergen County LineAs part of gradualism in electrification, certainly. By the time that happens, it should be clear whether or not MNR is going via a new Tappan Zee Br to GCT. or the Raritan Valley Line Difficulty from the freight railroad is the trouble, here. How about the Atlantic City Line? Sounds a lot better than the current plan for NYP-Atlantic City service..... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:52:37 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 3 23:08:57 2008. Yes, there is much expertise for hire out there. Of course, I'm as shocked as you that an RFP wasn't posted to SubChat :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jul 5 11:55:31 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:52:37 2008. <integer>0 <integer>1 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>1 <integer>0 <integer>0 <integer>1 |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 11:58:35 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 11:39:42 2008. Logistically, it's difficult enough that the relatively short distance to Speonk is rather worth the trouble to electrify out further. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:02:47 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 11:58:35 2008. It's not a short distance. It's nearly 15 miles. If there was significant ridership, they'd operate those hourly local Babylon diesels from Speonk, not Patchouge. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 12:06:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 11:42:08 2008. There's a small 'yard' west of Huntington station, which can hold several trains, albeit not with the greatest security long-term.In Patchogue, there's no such thing, and given the large number of grade crossings in the area, it's not much fun to lay up a train there, either, I'm sure. Practically, you're arguing that trains should come out of Babylon, but then that makes things more difficult at Babylon. Perhaps if LIRR gets 'third track' up on the Main Line through nassau County, they can also electrify the Central Branch. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 12:06:48 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jul 5 11:55:31 2008. That's......fascinating. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 12:08:18 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Jul 5 11:55:31 2008. There are some geeks here who caught a stock over your post, bud, but I'm not one of them :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:10:30 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 12:06:02 2008. There's a small 'yard' west of Huntington station, which can hold several trains, albeit not with the greatest security long-term. There is? |
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Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 5 12:22:58 2008, in response to Re: NJT Board considering large capital expenditure on new rolling stock, including DMs & EMUs, July 9th, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:02:47 2008. It's actually more like 17-18 miles, but think of the logistical challenge in terms of meeting car requirements: a perennial LIRR difficulty. Your suggestion is that 100% of Patchogue's service come in from Babylon and points west; it's a chancy proposition. Look at the non-existence of a holiday extra train to Ronkonkoma - the worry by LIRR is probably that they risk losing the trainset for its scheduled departure from FBA or NYP unless they basically waste the trainset for most of the peak period.The further out that operations extend, the more that yards are required, by the pure logistics of it. |
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