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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008 turns 40 today. The station opened July 1, 1968 as an extension of the 6 Avenue mainline.It is one of my favorite postwar IND stations and still looks great four decades later with its "streamline moderne" design. Compared the the 1988 Archer line, 57 Street is functional and smooth. The location is great too, being in northern Midtown and one block from Carnegie Hall. 
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jul 1 02:12:15 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. Happy Anniversary!!!! |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 1 08:44:20 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. How do you get to Carnegie Hall? ;-) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Jul 1 08:45:58 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 1 08:44:20 2008. Practice taking the F train to 57 Street and walk a block to the west! |
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Posted by Andy on Tue Jul 1 08:46:00 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. The 57th/Ave of Americas station opening was the beginning of the short-lived KK (later K) train service, which ran in rush hours from 57th to 168th/Jamaica Ave. via the Chrystie St/Willy B connector and today's J route. Later the route was shortened to turn at Eastern Parkway-Broadway Junction, and it was finally ended in 1976 due to low patronage. It was operated by R1-9s exclusively. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 1 09:20:43 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. Well, R-42's had been known to pop up on the "KK" route, when it fully operated between 168th Street-Jamaica Avenue and 57th Street-6th Avenue, so it was not always an exclusive R-1/9 service. Here are two examples...R-42 #4916, Woodhaven Boulevard ["KK" Train], 6/28/1972. R-42 #4918, Lorimer Street ["KK" Train], 7/10/1972. -William A. Padron ["57th Street"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 1 09:23:53 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Andy on Tue Jul 1 08:46:00 2008. In reply, the R-42's also were in use on the "KK" as well. My posting was this...R-42's On The "KK". -William A. Padron ["168 St Jamaica"] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 1 09:32:49 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. I agree. The station still conveys a sense of what was "modern" in 1968, and is in pretty good shape. I'd hope that any future "renovations" preserve its current look. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jul 1 10:22:18 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 1 09:32:49 2008. Boarded many a Nostalgia Special @ this station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 1 11:18:54 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 1 09:20:43 2008. I can't top that photographically, but in 1969 at Woodhaven Blvd, I saw a 6-car mixed consist of R27's and R42's on the KK. The signs were a mess with no ability to display 57th Street on the south sign. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jul 1 12:01:50 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jul 1 10:22:18 2008. Here's the original "KK" brochure from my collection........ |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 1 12:28:35 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. What was anti-climatic about this station between 1969 and 1976 is during rush hours, it lead you to a grungy old R7-9. Even in the 1960's when they were tyoically 30years old, all the R1-9 seemed to me to be identical, noisy, old and dirty. I failed to see the improvement when they replaced the older Standards in 1968. |
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Posted by andy on Tue Jul 1 12:38:21 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 1 09:23:53 2008. Thank you for pointing this out. I rode the M between Metropolitan and Fulton Street on a daily basis in 1974-75. Those trains were mostly R27/30s with a few R32 and R42 consists (separately, never mixed as was the case for a little while around 1969-70). The J,KK, and LL trains were mostly R7-9s but a few R42 consists were also used. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 12:43:51 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 1 08:44:20 2008. You take the N/Q/R/W to 57th/7th. /sarcasm BTW, why don't they call this station "57th St/Carnegie Hall" instead of "Midtown/57th St"? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 12:45:27 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. Hmmm, that means tomorrow is the 40th anniversary of the first KK train. And Saturday was the 40th anniversary of the last JJ run. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 12:53:55 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 1 08:44:20 2008. Practice man, practice.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 12:54:51 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 1 11:18:54 2008. The days of smorgasbord trains. I remember it well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:04:49 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Dan on Tue Jul 1 12:01:50 2008. I have that same brochure which I acquired at that time. I was actually in the city on 7-1-68; my mother and I went out to LGA to meet my aunt, who flew in from Chicago to take in some sort of performance at Lincoln Center. She was staying at the Lincoln Center Motor Inn (instead of staying with us), so we headed back to Manhattan on the 7 - the first time I ever rode on it - and from Times Square we took a 1 to 66th St. I knew by then that there was no free transfer from the Times Square complex to the IND 8th Ave. line. That morning we took an R-1/9 Ethel from 42nd St. with a dark first car.That afternoon included a joyride up CPW on an R-32 D train en route to the Bronx and a yarn store my mother used to frequent. When we got home that afternoon, it was still brutally hot - our thermometer read 104 degrees in the shade. We were back in the city the following day and met my aunt at the Museum of Natural History. I remember her saying that she saw on the map that there was a CC (it was rush hour), so that's what she took from 59th St. It was about that time that we reverse railfanned a CC to 81st. Might have been a few days earlier when I accidentally went through the turnstiles to the s/b platform at 42nd St. and had to use the underpass at the northern end of the lower level. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:06:59 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 1 12:28:35 2008. To me, the R-7/9s were a welcome sight on the Larry - at least they had signs up front. That was my biggest gripe about the BMT standards. By the time I saw them for the first time, I'd gotten used to seeing route and destination signs on the front bulkhead. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:08:40 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 12:45:27 2008. Actually, that's today.:) June 30 was a Sunday in 1968. Oh and the TT made its last run on 6-30-68. Once the 57th St. station opened, the Bob started running 24/7. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:10:16 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 12:43:51 2008. That's a very good question. Think about it - Carnegie Hall was already there when that line opened. Lincoln Center OTOH didn't exist when the original IRT line opened and yet that station today is labeled, 66th St.-Lincoln Center. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 1 14:17:53 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:08:40 2008. >>June 30 was a Sunday in 1968. Oh and the TT made its last run on 6-30-68.<<It sure did. For your picture viewing pleasure... R-32 #3525, 36th Street-4th Avenue ["TT" Train], 6/30/1968. -William A. Padron ["TT | West End Local"] |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 15:17:55 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:06:59 2008. When the R-9s went to tne BMT Eastern, they only displayed the route designation but not the destination since by that time it had become TA policy to only display the route on the front of trains starting with the R-40s. The original IND destination signs were retained but kept blank. When I was a M/M on the 14 St Line I would turn the end destination sign to the IND destination "Rockaway Park" on Canarsie bound trains since it was close to the side sign destination reading of "Rockaway ParkWAY." |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 15:24:03 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:08:40 2008. On the morning of June 30 1968, there was a trainmaster, Chris Callaghan on duty at the 50/6 tower. I had known Chris for quite some time and I was a BMT towerman so although the 50 St interlocking machine is usually kept on automatic, Chris placed it on manual when the first B train arrived. I then manually lined the first B into 57 St, and boarded it to ride it into 57 St. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jul 1 16:11:40 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by andy on Tue Jul 1 12:38:21 2008. Some claim that a few BMT Standards ran in "KK" service on 6th Avenue. IIRC there's a photo on Dave's sight but no way to really verify that it was a "KK". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:17:37 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:10:16 2008. LC is exactly the comparison I wanted to make. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:18:29 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 13:08:40 2008. I thought 7/1/68 was a SUnday. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:25:15 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 15:24:03 2008. Was the train full of foamers or confused riders? My only experience with a newly opened station happened in 1988, when Archer Ave. opened up. Everyone on the J train I rode into the new complex was either a buff (the RFW was jam packed!) or a lost soul wondering where they could get the Q49 bus. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 1 16:34:45 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:18:29 2008. I just checked a calendar applet I have. July 1, 1968 was a Monday... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 17:01:58 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:25:15 2008. There were quite a few foamers and some serious subway buffs as well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 17:45:20 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 1 16:18:29 2008. We were in Chicago the following weekend. July 7 was a Sunday. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 17:54:21 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 15:17:55 2008. I remember the blank destination curtains very well. If you ever worked the Larry on Saturdays in 1969-70, I may have very well ridden on a train of yours.There are photos of 1575 on the Larry showing s front destination. They must have stuck an R-16 curtain in one end; I think that curtain is still there. That same curtain may have been used on 1802 last December when it was the north motor on those Sunday runs so it could say Queens Plaza. |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 17:57:04 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 17:01:58 2008. ---There were quite a few foamers and some serious subway buffs as well.---I think we have more foamers today, the serious subway buffs have been chased away by foamer antics and behavior. Subway fantrips used to more of a family event from what old-timers tell me. You can see it in the photos of 1950s and 60s fantrips. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Jul 1 17:59:31 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by randyo on Tue Jul 1 17:01:58 2008. What's the diffence between a train buff and a foamer? |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 18:01:56 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 1 16:34:45 2008. Excel says the same: 07/01/1968 Monday |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 1 22:31:34 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Jul 1 17:59:31 2008. From what I have been told about foamers is the last time they were in a bathtub was when they were still in diapers. :-) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 1 22:37:27 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Andy on Tue Jul 1 08:46:00 2008. HA...Everybody believes the "company line" that "LOW PATRONAGE" killed off the KK/K line. That a bunch of bull.... The TA was looking to cut trim EVERY THING they could at the time to save money...includiong WHOLE STRUCTURES..if they could get away with it... Did You know that they tried to remove the Jamaica Avenue elevated COMPLETELY as far as CRESENT ST..and replace it with bus service? Did You know they tried to eleiminate 8TH AVENUE EXPRESS SERVICE COMPLETELY..? Did You know they wanted to SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN overnight and replace it with buses? Did you know the wanted to eliminate ALL BRANCHES and keep major trunk lines only? Do you REALLY know how much DIRT the MTA is into...how it was REALLY formed..and WHY we didn't get our new subways during the 70-80's? Yeah.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 22:59:51 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Dan on Tue Jul 1 16:11:40 2008. Wayne aka Mr. Slant R-40 says he saw a train of BMT standards along 6th Ave. once that was signed as a Broadway-Brooklyn Local, which would make it a KK. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 2 03:24:41 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Jul 1 17:59:31 2008. A train buff has a healthy interest in trains.A foamer has an unhealthy obsession with trains. A train buff passes his love and knowledge of trains on to new generations by letting a child look out of the RFW. A foamer hogs the RFW and ignores a child who may want to look out that RFW. A train buff always follows the laws and the rules even when the laws and rules are stupid. A foamer will sometimes disregard necessary and common-sense rules if they get in the way of his obsession. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 2 03:54:19 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 18:01:56 2008. service to 57 & 6th started approx midnight. It was a B |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jul 2 08:16:21 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 12:53:55 2008. Early George Clarin special "Geroge Carlin at Carnegie Hall" opens with a bit in the street in the Bronx of him asking NY'ers "How to get to Carnegie Hall".Some of the answers are great, kinda of like the "Jay Walking" with Jay Leno. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 2 09:19:06 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jul 2 08:16:21 2008. One of the performing groups from my alma mater played there - after I had graduated, of course. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Jul 2 09:26:35 2008, in response to IND 57 Street..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Jul 1 02:10:54 2008. 57/6 has always reminded me of the Muni/BART Market Street subway. |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Wed Jul 2 10:58:26 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 1 12:54:51 2008. After the Big Change, the R1-9 rollers had signs that were never used saying "MM-6th Avenue Local". Now that would have been a good idea, though they might have always been pretty empty. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 2 11:13:45 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 18:01:56 2008. Well, you just taught me something- I didn't know that Windows-based programs could calculate dates earlier than January 1, 1980. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 2 11:21:09 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Jul 1 17:59:31 2008. Bathing, interest in females, era-appropriate fashion sense and at least some sense of humor. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 2 11:22:36 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 1 16:34:45 2008. I just assumed that a new station would open on a Sunday, since that's when both Archer Ave and 63rd St. stations did. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 2 11:29:09 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 17:57:04 2008. The LIRR fantrips are still more family oriented. The subway ones for some reason do have a much more higher proportion of "way too into it" people than the LIRR ones do. Don't get me wrong, there are "way too into it" people on the LIRR trips too, and of course, there are "normal" people on subway trips....but in my experience, the subway fantrips draw a lot more "foamer" types than the LIRR fantrips do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 2 11:33:04 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 2 11:21:09 2008. That's the thing I can't understand.... So many people on some of the subway fantrips not only wear old, holes in shirt, dirty clothes, that should have been retired to rags a decade ago, the hygiene on some of them is definitely lacking too.Why, I don't understand. I also don't get the "way too into it" attitude either. Some of them are so wound up that they would forget the basics (such as not noticing the female walking by, the example used), etc. And that is forgetting the fact that some of them haven't seen the shower in a week or two. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 2 11:34:33 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street..., posted by vfrt on Tue Jul 1 17:57:04 2008. And you can blame the internet for that. Most of the antisocials we now see on these fantrips would normally either not know about or not know how to attend a particular fantrip unless they had "friends" in the community. |
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