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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008 The R143 unit of 8277-80? I was at 207 a few weeks ago and I did not see it there, nor is it at Piken Yard. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 6 11:35:02 2008, in response to Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008. Sorry Robert wasnt my turn to watch that particular unit...;o) |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Jun 6 11:58:41 2008, in response to Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008. I am writing a railfan report, but i remember last friday when i rode the L, there was a R143 set that went OOS, and dumped the passengers. Plus the train i was on had bad performance, but i don't know if it is related, if it is common for 143s to go OOS, and i didn't get the number.Why would R143s be at 207 or pitken though? I thought they were only for the canarsie line. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 12:07:43 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Jun 6 11:58:41 2008. 8277 was the one that went thought the bumping block at Canarsie yard. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Jun 6 12:09:29 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 12:07:43 2008. ah dang, i should have known. I heard they were gonna permanently OOS the whole set, but you probably know that better. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Jun 6 18:25:28 2008, in response to Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008. Maybe it got reefed or scrapped. Or its at ENY or CI??I aways see like one set of R143s at CI yard. Maybe thats the set ive been seeing but i don't rembmer the numbers though. But it is kinda interesting that this set would dissaper.. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jun 6 20:23:02 2008, in response to Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008. Probably sent to Kawasaki to see if they could repair them.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jun 6 21:20:34 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jun 6 20:23:02 2008. The shell's are probably all OK, just the underframe and anticlimbers. Oddly enough, the forward end of #8277 came through it relatively unscathed, but the shock devastated the underbelly, extending even into the car floor.wayne |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jun 6 22:40:31 2008, in response to Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 11:32:53 2008. anyone issue an APB? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jun 6 22:48:11 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jun 6 20:23:02 2008. I still wonder why they can't just put an R160a/b at the front of the set. I mean weren't they supposed to be compatable w/the R143's? |
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Posted by Phil D. on Fri Jun 6 23:25:17 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jun 6 21:20:34 2008. Made In JapanNuff said. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 7 08:21:35 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jun 6 12:07:43 2008. Actually, it went over the bumping block. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Jun 7 18:11:57 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Phil D. on Fri Jun 6 23:25:17 2008. You: Blue Light special at K-Mart.Nuff said. May the Force not be with you..... Lord Vader |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jun 8 03:27:18 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Phil D. on Fri Jun 6 23:25:17 2008. Baka. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jun 8 10:45:33 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jun 6 22:48:11 2008. I still wonder why they can't just put an R160a/b at the front of the set. I mean weren't they supposed to be compatable w/the R143's?Methinks the TA wants a full evaluation of the affected cars before they decide to have them repaired or scrapped. Somewhat recently a LIRR C-3 car was dropped off the jacks resulting in some frame or body damage. The guys at the Hillside Facility couldn't repair so it was sent back to Kawasaki for repairs. I'm not sure if it returned and if it is back in service or not but it did prove that it could be repaired rather then scrapped because of it's young and tender age. Perhaps the same is in store for #8277 etc. Stay tuned. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jun 8 11:16:10 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Lord Vader on Sat Jun 7 18:11:57 2008. PWNED! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 8 11:22:57 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jun 6 22:48:11 2008. Train Dude says they are, while Jace says they are not. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 20:11:35 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jun 8 10:45:33 2008. What a shame.. and those shops used to be able to build their own cars. I believe those shops could have fixed that C3, just that MTA had money to spend on kawasaki banana co. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 8 20:40:46 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 20:11:35 2008. What a shame.. and those shops used to be able to build their own cars. I believe those shops could have fixed that C3, just that MTA had money to spend on kawasaki banana co.You seem to be fixated on bananas and their interaction with certain bodily orifices..... If LIRR shops built their own cars once upon a time, why did they purchase rolling stock from Pullman, Budd, Bombardier Kawasaki, etc.?????? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 20:46:16 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 8 20:40:46 2008. I didn't mean it that way literally, but they could have transformed cars greatly back in the day, like the IRT and BMT shops used to do. Note that the PRR GG1s were built at the PRR shops, so there you go. Probably some MP54s were either built there, or heavily modified or overhauled there. Nowadays all of this is outsourced, and it is killing the shops, the morale, and this country. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 8 21:04:01 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 20:46:16 2008. I can't say that I've ever been to LIRR's shops, but consider this description of the PRR locomotive plant:http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/juniata.shtml "As the Pennsylvania Railroad pushed west in 1850, it established an engine house at the base of the Allegheny Mountains where trains could be broken up or additional locomotives added to climb the heavy grades westward. This location now in the City of Altoona, PA. and the engine house with its small shop buildings grew into the largest complex of railroad shops in the world. In 1866, locomotives were being built new in the Altoona Works in a shop known as the Altoona Machine Shop. The PRR built a total of 2,289 steam locomotives in this shop before it was converted into a locomotive repair shop in January, 1904. A new locomotive erecting facility was opened in July, 1891 at the Altoona Works and for a while it was operated simultaneously with the Altoona Machine Shop. The new facility, known as the Juniata Shops, built a total of 4,584 new steam and electric locomotives until it ceased building locomotives in June, 1946. The last locomotive outshopped was a T-1, number 5524. The name Juniata was dropped in 1928, in favor of referring to the entire complex as the Altoona Works. The first locomotive testing facility ever built went into operation at the Altoona Works. A unique locomotive test plant was designed by the PRR and it was operated as an exhibit at the Wolds Fair held in St Louis, Mo. After the Fair, in 1905, the plant was install in at the Altoona Works. This plant was a test stand that let the locomotive being tested run on rotating drums that could be regulated through braking to simulate the load of a train under various operating conditions. At its high point, the Altoona Works consisted of four units: the 12 th Street Car Shop, the Altoona Car Shop, the Juniata Shops and the South Altoona Foundries. These four units were comprised of 122 buildings containing 37 acres of floor space, 4,500 machine tools, and 94 overhead cranes. The complex employed 13,000 people and the rail yard alone covered 218 acres. Between April,1935 and June,1943, the Juniata Shops built a total of 124 GG1 locomotives." This is from a 1911 description of PRR production: http://www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs/S_Alto.htm "The Altoona Shops of the Pennsylvania System embrace five general departments as follows: Altoona Machine Shops, Altoona Car Shops, Juniata Shops, East Altoona Engine House and South Altoona Founderies. They cover a yard area of 242 acres and embrace a floor area of 48 acres. Altoona Machine Shops comprise all that body of buildings extending from below Twelfth Street to Sixteenth Street. Here are located buildings having an aggregate frontage of more than three miles, all constructed of stone or brick, and occupied by the best machinery for locomotive building and repairing that modern ingenuity can devise. The Altoona Machine Shops include thirty-six departments, the total floor area being nearly 16 acres giving employment to over 4,000 men. At the Altoona Car Shops in the southern section of the city, is located the yard enclosing the immense round house (largest in the world) and the construction and car shops. They cover an area of 65 acres, while the floor area of the buildings is 16 acres, divided into thirty departments, giving employment to nearly 4,000 men. Here are manufactured and repaired passenger, mail, parlor and sleeping cars. Like the Altoona machine shops, it is a giant plant, one of the largest of its kind in the world, but even by this statement their magnitude cannot be comprehended. It is necessary to see them running to realize their extent and capabilities. The Juniata Locomotive Shops are located a short distance from the eastern boundary of the city. Their total area is 6 1/2 acres and the number of men employed about 1,600. These men are employed solely in the production of steam and electric engines. There are two immense blacksmith shops in which are employed over 1,000 men. The East Altoona Round House is one of the largest structures of its kind in the world, and is said to have cost one million dollars. It is 395 feet in diameter. There is a turn table 75 feet in diameter, and the total area of all the shops of this department is 4 1/2 acres, while the yards cover 34 acres, an average of 300 locomotives are handled per day, and 750 men employed. The South Altoona Foundries, including shops and cover a tract of 84 acres, the floor area of the buildings being 7 1/2 acres. Here are manufactured all wheels used in the various departments of the locomotive and car shops, the operations giving employment to 950 men. The shipping facilities of Altoona are therefore unexcelled, and the city has sixty passenger trains daily." Are you REALLY comparing that kind of production power to LIRR's Hillside Maintenance Facility or Morris Park Shop? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 21:48:05 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jun 8 21:04:01 2008. I am sure those shops were once capable of doing more than what they are capable of now. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Jun 8 21:49:37 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 21:48:05 2008. Huh? Dude, technology has advanced greatly, you should be saying that the shops are capable of doing MORE then what they USED to do.THINK! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jun 8 21:51:28 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 20:11:35 2008. What a shame.. and those shops used to be able to build their own cars. I believe those shops could have fixed that C3....Perhaps Hillside Facility doesn't have the equipment or knowhow to repair frame issues. After all, they are a general repair facility to keep the current fleets running. But then again, the TA has the same issue #8277 etc. and that bumping post faisco that either sidelined them or ended their career. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 8 21:53:01 2008, in response to Re: Has anyone Seen, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Jun 8 21:49:37 2008. I do think, and i also READ and know HISTORY. Do you know what the old IRT and BMT shops were once able to do? Nowadays, they may have a few computers and all that nonsense, but they can' physically do major rebuilds aymore. |
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