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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 17:44:16 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. Also, is it true that the Comet Ib cars are going to be transferred to SEPTA Regional Rail to add more service?Well, as respects the SEPTA rumor, let me offer the following consideration; SEPTA is mostly an EMU operation, and they have, what, 6 or 7 AEM7s? How many push-pull cars do they have? |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 17:58:34 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. There are many Comet I cars left in service. Comet IB's have almost disappeared. The Comet I's won't be around for much longer (think slant R40's). They show up mostly on Main/Bergen trains as well as M&E/Boonton diesels out of Port Morris. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 17:59:28 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. Those older comets are excellent, and should not go anywhere, they were built to last. They should re-equip them with stronger collision posts, and EMU capability, like they originally came, and let them run for another 40 years. There are more problems with the new cars than the old ones, and the new ones get flats and vibrate and creak and make annoying noises like crazy. SHAME! |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 17:59:52 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 17:44:16 2008. According to RR.net, SEPTA is also purchasing some NJT diesels to add extra service on lines in/out of 30th St lower. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:01:09 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 17:59:28 2008. Ever use a Comet I bathroom? I'd rather wear a diaper. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 18:03:58 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:01:09 2008. No, never used a bathroom on a train. If anything, they can refurbish the bathrooms, no big deal. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 19 18:05:12 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. Didn't some of them go out to Utah? |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 19 18:06:28 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 18:03:58 2008. No big deal ?? adding collision post ??? what do you know about train car construction ?? |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 18:07:16 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 17:59:52 2008. Very interesting - I thought that SEPTA long ago terminated diesel operations, but perhaps not.... |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 19 18:12:32 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 19 18:05:12 2008. Some low-door 1700s did. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 18:13:23 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 19 18:06:28 2008. No big deal ?? adding collision post ??? what do you know about train car construction ??That's probably his plan for after he assumes the title of Emperor of All Rails in the year Never.... |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 19 18:22:57 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 17:58:34 2008. Comet IB's have almost disappeared.Uh oh! I'd better schedule some railfanning for the Main/Bergen or M&E lines! |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 18:23:47 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon May 19 18:06:28 2008. No big deal about refirbishing bathrooms, adding stronger collision posts and reenforced frames will be more complex, obviously. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:24:23 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 18:07:16 2008. They did, but they are dealing with a spike in ridership and not enough Silverliners or push-pulls to cope. The idea is to use some diesel powered trains from 30th St (lower) on some ex-Pennyslvania branches (Elwyn, Trenton, Thorndale) as a stop-gap until some new MU's arrive. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:26:17 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Nilet on Mon May 19 18:22:57 2008. It may be too late. I haven't seen one anywhere in nearly 3 weeks. RR.net does indicate some still in revenue active. But time is running out ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:27:10 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 18:23:47 2008. For 35 yo cars? Do you understand the concept of cost/benefit? |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon May 19 21:14:54 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:26:17 2008. This is what I see, too. I have not seen the Comet IBs on any Main/Bergen train for some time now. I have seen more Comet Vs and slightly longer trains (some Main/Bergen Line trains have been 6 cars, all available to passengers).--Mark |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon May 19 21:16:32 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 17:59:28 2008. You gotta be kidding me. You clearly don't ride these all the time, do you?--Mark |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 21:30:15 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 17:59:52 2008. That's one heck of a rumor. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:31:13 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon May 19 21:16:32 2008. Maybe he likes duct tape and rickety seats. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 21:32:01 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:24:23 2008. If they don't hold onto them for Reading service, it'd be a major folly, but not SEPTA's first folly. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:33:37 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 21:32:01 2008. They can't use diesels from Reading lines since Reading Terminal is now underground. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 21:46:58 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. Haven't you asked this question on Railroad.net? The answer is that the C1s are still in service, primarily on service through Lake Hopatcong and on the Main and Bergen. However, only 11 C1Bs are in service tops. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by metropod on Mon May 19 21:59:03 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 18:03:58 2008. no big deal? to refurbish them now would basicly require they meet ADA. and that means a bigger bathroom. ever wonder why they are so big on the new cars? |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:21:41 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:31:13 2008. I agree, SOME seats are messed up, just gotta swap them out. The new C5s will go to the chit even quicker, and already they creak and vibrate. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:22:26 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by metropod on Mon May 19 21:59:03 2008. I though that was for the larger hind quarters of many americans due to them eating mcdonald's all the time. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 22:33:21 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 17:59:28 2008. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Those are by far the least comfortable cars on the system---both the 1s and the 1Bs. I feel sorry for those on the Boonton and the former Erie lines that have to ride them. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 22:38:58 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 22:33:21 2008. Define comfort when related to those cars. The seats? Those leave a lot to be desired— the Comet I's original seats were way nicer. Otherwise, the ride is indistinguishable from other Comets, unless your car has wheels with lots of flat spots. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:47:32 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 22:38:58 2008. Exactly, i don't get these people. People just want some new shiny chit to satisfy an unquenchable thirst for new chit. Those new C5s make these anoying noises, like a loose bell, or some loose bolts somwhere, then the creaking, and even popping, an uninviting interior. The ride goes to chit with a few flats on your train, and the creaking and rattling gets worse on those C5s. The old commets have rattles in the seats, the new ones have some weirder rattles. Close your eyes, and you will think you are in an old train. I can imagine what THEY will look like in ten years, like chittos. Not to mention i have seen uneven brake wear on the C5s, which i didn't see on other cars, must be some sort of faulty brake managment system. Why can't they just order robust, simple, and reliable railcars? I can imagine how many issues the Arrow replacements will have, if they are EMUs. Regardless, people will still obsess over shiny chits, even if the old stuff is more reliable.I *DO* like the bigger windows though, that is one plus there. They should rebuild older cars with bigger windows. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 19 22:48:20 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:47:32 2008. The comet 5s are MUCH nicer then the cars which preceeded them. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:53:24 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by R30A on Mon May 19 22:48:20 2008. Too bad they are already going to the chit, despite their "niceness". See, the old cars weren't "nice", they were tough sumbitches, and were reliable, and excellent.Nice(C5)=stupid. Good car(Arrow III)=EXCELLENT |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 19 22:56:50 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:53:24 2008. Comet 5s are significantly "Tougher" then any comet which preceeded them. they also are safer, smoother, and in better shape. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 23:05:50 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by R30A on Mon May 19 22:56:50 2008. Ok, how do you know they are togher and safer? Did you test them? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:16:19 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 23:05:50 2008. How else? Riding in them.What NJTR/MN* cars have you ridden in? I have ridden in all five Comet classes, the MLVs, and the Arrows (which have the same seats as the Comet III cars). If you intend to say you rode in all of them, please describe all of them. I know. *MN---Metro-North West-of-Hudson. MNCR is East of Hudson. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 23:19:35 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:16:19 2008. I have ridden all cars as well except the multi levels. Those supposedly are going to the chit, and are overpriced, if anything.Riding them you cannot tell which cars are safer. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:28:51 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 23:19:35 2008. You do realize every car has to meet FRA crashworthiness standards, right? If the cars were really unsafe, the USDOT wouldn't permit them on the road.And overpriced? Thanks for the laugh...now don't go away mad, just go away! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:29:36 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:22:26 2008. WRONG as usual! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:32:54 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:27:10 2008. Heck, NJT is ordering more MLVs (45) instead of going ahead with a rehabilitation of the Comet III fleet (49)...I wonder why. (When the Comet 3s were ordered, it was right on the edge of the ADA taking effect.) |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 20 00:11:23 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:33:37 2008. Yup, but they can still rebuild that old R6 line via Ivy Ridge and connect it to the RDG, then run trains from 30th Street's lower level, which they're supposed to do reportedly.Or they can run onto the old B&O. They'd have to build a new 24th Street Station for that. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 00:20:20 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:32:54 2008. The Comets IIIs might have actually been ordered with the ADA in mind. Note the ADA sticker on the right of the center door |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 20 00:27:21 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 20 00:11:23 2008. They should rehab the R6 Ivy Ridge line. Shutting it down was not a smart move. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 20 01:26:30 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 18:01:09 2008. Ever use a Comet I bathroom? I'd rather wear a diaper.LMAO! I'm picturing an entire generation of passengers who willfully dehydrate themselves to avoid crummy railcar bathrooms. your pal, Fred |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 02:02:58 2008, in response to NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Chipper10 on Mon May 19 17:34:16 2008. Originally the Comet Is were to be retired by 2003 with the deilvery of Comet Vs. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 20 02:05:26 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 02:02:58 2008. That's correct. Then the Comet Vs started sprouting duck tape on the seats. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue May 20 08:12:37 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 21:32:01 2008. hold onto them for Reading serviceAnd run it down the ex-RDG Norristown main to the NEC connection at N Broad/16th St. Junction. This connection would have to be rebuilt, & a switch installed slightly east of the present location, allowing use of the ex-PRR Chestnut Hill line to access the NEC. This IMO is the least expensive of the options discussed. Signalling is in place, room for more trackage ,if needed, exists, & the switches across the NEC are already being used & maintained. 
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 20 08:50:31 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 20 02:05:26 2008. On M7s too. Of course, the seats weren't designed for people to stab and tear at them. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 20 12:20:45 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:32:54 2008. I know the Comet III cabs do not meet current crash safety standards and are due to be converted into trailers only. Besides, there's nothing wrong with the Comet III's as they are. The Comet II's needed a rebuild to be compatible with newer models. The Comet III's can run as they are now until they are retired, which I'd say is a good 10-15 years off. If they don't want them, sell them to the MTA. They're basically Shoreliner III's, but with reversible seats. |
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Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 20 12:22:53 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by Fred G on Tue May 20 01:26:30 2008. The restrooms in the multilevels are nice, but I don't think that will last long. Even the C5's are starting to deteriorate. I just "hold it till Hoboken" ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 20 12:40:39 2008, in response to Re: NJ Transit Comet I cars still in service and question on the Comet Ib cars?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:22:26 2008. 
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