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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:01:22 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 06:04:35 2008. up the dose on Medication TS your off on a tangent again. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:03:01 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:01:22 2008. You better relive yourself from duty, Mr. MNCR engineer, and you're drunk as a sailor right now. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:26:24 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:03:01 2008. ??????????Mr TS a locomotive engineer only get a 5 mph error by FRA rules. company rules may make this less, on some railroads a engineer is only given 2 mph for error. The Equipment per FRA rules can also have a 5 mph error due to speedometer calibration, wheel trueing etc. So a max allowable error if combined is 10 mph. If I have Roadforeman riding with me , his face will begin to scowl at 2 mph over speed and by 4 mph over he starts to put info into his PDA, anymore than 5 mph and I would probably put on a unpaid mini vacation of about 15 to 30 days. If there is no Roadforeman my transgressions would be exposed once the black box is downloaded(once a week) The Bus driver or Truck driver have no penalty system, infact they get attaboys from their boss for speeding as long as it does not effect the company insurance by means of tickets. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:47:45 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:26:24 2008. Uh, what does that have to do with anything...? Like I said, an engineer can speed just like a motorist can as long as each accepts the risk. How many times do I need to repeat that? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:18:28 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:26:24 2008. Thanks for making the fact of DEFINITE enforcement crystal clear. There is no comparing this kind of certain enforcement with the random enforcement on the roads.How far can an engineer speed above his current speed code under speed control? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:21:38 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:47:45 2008. Uh, what does that have to do with anything...? Like I said, an engineer can speed just like a motorist can as long as each accepts the risk. How many times do I need to repeat that?There's no risk of getting caught, actually - it's essentially a certainty. It's not analogous to the case of a speeding motorist. You keep on relying on an analogy that doesn't hold, and you think that by repeating it, the disanalogy goes away. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 09:24:32 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:21:38 2008. 100% false. We've just seen that the engineer can speed up to 10 MPH over the limit. That's also what many motorists do. Get off your high horse. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:36:38 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 09:24:32 2008. We've just seen that the engineer can speed up to 10 MPH over the limit.How do you know what the limit was? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 09:55:15 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:36:38 2008. The speed limit? I don't need to know that. The engineer needs to know that.The 10 MPH? Dutch said it. It's the combination of allowed operator and speedometer error. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 13 11:11:08 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 09:55:15 2008. But the engineer cannot rely on the speedometer error. What if the error is the other way? What if when tested there is no speedometer error, but it is right on the money.When your job specifies to operate at 79 miles per hour, you do not intentionally operate at 80 miles per hour. It may get up there on a down grade, but the engineer *knows* that that down grade is there, and will have cut back power at the crest of the hill. Fuel efficiencies also come into play these days. The superintendent is going to be looking at his pocketbook more than his timetable these days. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 13 13:04:52 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 07:26:24 2008. The Bus driver or Truck driver have no penalty system, infact they get attaboys from their boss for speeding as long as it does not effect the company insurance by means of tickets.Or the occasional spectacular vehicular homicide that makes all the TV stations and newspapers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 14:58:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:47:45 2008. Uh, what does that have to do with anything...?Everything. Like I said, an engineer can speed just like a motorist can as long as each accepts the risk. How many times do I need to repeat that? How many times does the rest of the board need to drill into you that your assertion is false? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue May 13 15:00:51 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 15:40:44 2008. Oh yes you have. YENTE BOY |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 15:01:00 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 09:21:38 2008. I think he believes the old adage by Lenin, "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" (paraphrased). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 15:23:46 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue May 13 15:00:51 2008. No I haven't BUTTHOLE SURF. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 15:24:08 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 15:01:00 2008. No, as I have already shown. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 15:24:51 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 14:58:35 2008. Nope. It has nothing to do with it.No, just you and trainsaerfun, and I already showed you both to be wrong. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 20:13:51 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 15:23:46 2008. Your behaving like an asshole again TS, your starting to be (again)the poster child for birth control. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 20:24:39 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 13 20:13:51 2008. You're behaving like a douchebag again, DRN, and you're starting to be (again) the poster child for third rail electrocution. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 13 20:48:19 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC-300 kmh service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 8 22:00:32 2008. You didn't answer my question. |
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Posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:01:49 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 11 23:22:59 2008. In reality, you are incorrect. Persons who operate under FRA certificate are subject to double jeopardy. If they receive a summons while driving, it can and does impact on their status to operate a train. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 21:11:56 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC-300 kmh service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 13 20:48:19 2008. Yes I did. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 21:13:36 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:01:49 2008. I have never stated otherwise. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 13 21:20:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 02:02:12 2008. What's wrong with THE Tunnel? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:35:48 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 15:01:00 2008. I've heard the same attributed to Goebbels; good company that is.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 21:36:40 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:35:48 2008. I'm sure you're honored to be part of it... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:41:53 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 09:55:15 2008. Reading comprehension trouble, again?Here's what was said: If I have Roadforeman riding with me , his face will begin to scowl at 2 mph over speed and by 4 mph over he starts to put info into his PDA, anymore than 5 mph and I would probably put on a unpaid mini vacation of about 15 to 30 days. If there is no Roadforeman my transgressions would be exposed once the black box is downloaded(once a week) The engineer who overspeeds by 10 mph will have much explaining to do, and his violation is certain to be discovered. An plus, if your control as an engineer is off by 10 mph, that's failing to effectively distinguish between two speed codes, e.g., on LIRR. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:45:11 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 21:36:40 2008. I AM proud to be part of those here showing false claims to be false. Posters like you make that task very easy by repeating the same false claim many times, as though it will then be accepted, in spite of its falsity. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:47:10 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 20:24:39 2008. Can't win arguments here by repeating false claims so now it's pottymouth time, eh?It's all part of your show.... |
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Posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:48:28 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 07:47:45 2008. You continue to deliberately misrepresent the facts. There is a risk that a driver will get caught speeding. The engineer, on the other hand, will certainly be caught and sanctioned. |
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Posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:51:01 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 20:24:39 2008. Why do you have to resort to that sort of language. Do you find it impossible to discuss a subject without resorting to profanity, especially when you are obviously wrong? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:56:23 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:45:11 2008. Incorrect. I showed the claim to be correct. You're in the esteemed company of Olog, ha ha hahahahaha! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:57:40 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:47:10 2008. No, I responded to an unwarranted personal attack. I see you're stooping to new lows now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:58:21 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Tue May 13 21:41:53 2008. Reading comprehension for the win....he said "If I have Roadforeman"how did you ever pass the 2nd grade? |
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Posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 23:58:21 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:56:23 2008. You've been proven wrong by several different people. Why don't you just accept that you are wrong? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:59:10 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:48:28 2008. False. I never said that the risks were the same. Second, the engineer will NOT always be caught, as there is some leeway. Try again. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:00:03 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 21:51:01 2008. Are you F'ing blind?????????? Try reading the whole thread before responding! It's like you're in 3rd grade! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:06:48 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 23:58:21 2008. Incorrect, I have not been proven wrong by anyone. My original statements still stand. Both motorists and engineers can speed as long as they accept the risks. That's what I said. You and (only) two others keep trying to add restrictions to my statement. Good for you. But my statement was pretty general and it still stands. I don't see why you and the (only) two others are wasting your time trying to disprove what I didn't say. |
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Posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:09:55 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:59:10 2008. You are wrong and will remain wrong no matter how many times you insist the contrary or use obscenities against those who disagree with you. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 14 00:10:23 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:56:23 2008. You don't show a claim to be correct by saying that it's correct; as at least three separate posters have informed you so far, repeating the same claim doesn't justify it. |
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Posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:11:15 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:00:03 2008. You really need to get yourself under control. Someone may just take your big mouth and make it a whole lot bigger. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:12:34 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:09:55 2008. Incorrect, I am not wrong, no matter how many times you and (only) two others say otherwise. Furthermore, I do not use obscenities against those "who disagree with me". I use obscenities against those who make unwarranted personal attacks against me. Again, reading comprehension for the win. Read the whole thread before replying. |
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Posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:13:11 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:06:48 2008. This has the same ring as the thread where you didn't know the difference terms involving speed control. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:13:34 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 14 00:10:23 2008. Incorrect, I showed it to be correct by showing that the statements by you and (only) two others to the contrary were incorrect. |
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Posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:16:12 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:12:34 2008. So far I've seen no one who agrees with you. Don't you think you should reconsider what you are saying? If three people call you a jackass, don't be offended. Start getting used to wearing a saddle. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:16:32 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:11:15 2008. No, I think it is you who needs to get himself under control. I'm not the one making idle threats over the internet, lol! I mean seriously, who are you going to scare with that crap? You come in here out of the blue and start acting like I should be scared of you? Please.... |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 14 00:19:07 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 14 00:10:23 2008. Here we go again. Last week he refused to admit that he was wrong about attainable speed and allowable speed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:19:16 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:13:11 2008. False, as was made perfectly clear, I forgot to qualify the correct term with another word to make it absolute. Of course, that was just a repeat of a post I made a few minutes earlier where I expressed the same thought perfectly clearly and correctly. You're really grasping for straws now that you have to bring up past incidents, never mind LIE about them. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 14 00:20:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 23:58:21 2008. Reading comprehension for the win....he said "If I have Roadforeman"This is why I questioned your reading comprehension. Read the rest of the statement, which I quoted. how did you ever pass the 2nd grade? Well, Terrapin Station, it would be unfair to your fellow second graders for me to tell you how to do this, but if you study harder, play better with others, and read entire statements carefully, maybe you will finally be able to make it to 3rd grade. With that in mind, re-read the entire statement quoted: If I have Roadforeman riding with me , his face will begin to scowl at 2 mph over speed and by 4 mph over he starts to put info into his PDA, anymore than 5 mph and I would probably put on a unpaid mini vacation of about 15 to 30 days. If there is no Roadforeman my transgressions would be exposed once the black box is downloaded(once a week) Now think hard about what that means, and especially about the emphasized part, which you have so far ignored. With the help of a tutor, you should be reading at a fourth grade level soon, if you put in the time and effort. Best of luck! |
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Posted by Bergit on Wed May 14 00:21:26 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:16:32 2008. No, I never suggested that you should be afraid of me. I suggested that someone might take offense to the garbage you spew and teach you a strong lesson about manners. It does seem that you don't learn the easy lessons. |
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