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Posted by AlM on Sun May 11 08:10:41 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 10 22:44:50 2008. Well I hate to say it, but my chinatown bus just matched Amtrak's time from Wilmington to NY (1:45).I sure hope the bus has good tires and a driver who actually gets enough sleep. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun May 11 08:12:24 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail in the USA—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 17:27:27 2008. Where are you going to build it?Somewhere inland. Besides, the slowest part of the railroad is between New York and New Haven. But the section east of New Haven gets pwned by movable bridges too much. And there's even more of a space problem west of New Haven. The Air Line might have cut down average speeds to under three hours by taking a more inland route (but not as far inland as the "Inland Route"); but remember that it was turned into a rail trail instead. Well, that would be no obstace to an Interstate Defense Railroad System. ;-) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun May 11 08:34:36 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC-300 kmh service, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri May 9 21:20:44 2008. And what do you do about commuter train lines that branch off of the Corridor, like NJT's North Jersey Coast Line and the Dinky or SEPTA's Airport, Media and Chestnut Hill West lines?Perhaps he wants to build the Swampoodle Connector! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:35:09 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 10 23:02:02 2008. Just saying, road transport managed to keep up with the train. Regardless of how illegal it may be, the point is people do take notice, and that could negatively effect Amtrak's ridership. However, it is extremely rare that this bus does this(perhaps it managed to cuz it was the weekend, I don't know). |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:35:25 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 10 23:15:25 2008. And you're a model citizen? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:37:55 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by Charles G on Fri May 9 11:08:38 2008. I'm not so sure about that. I remember my Greyhound regularly did Boston in under 4 hours. PABT is only 8 blocks away and Boston's bus station is at South Station |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 11 11:00:42 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:35:09 2008. Amtrak doesn't, and can't, compete with the Chinatown Bus in terms of fares. Chinatown Bus can't compete with Amtrak in terms of all of the things that Chinatown buses - or Greyhound, for that matter - can't do. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 15:24:27 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 11 11:00:42 2008. Yes, I'm aware of that, but if a BUS can do that, then clearly a car can do better, which means Amtrak is now a 2nd option and no longer a first. And fare wise, things just don't make sense to me. I just don't get how it is my ticket from Delaware to NY is $80 but from Florida to Delaware is only $113(well, $90 with the coupon I found). Then again, Greyhound NY-Syracuse is $67 while Delaware to Orlando is $63. I'll never understand the pricing structure |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 11 15:53:42 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 15:24:27 2008. You pay $55.00 to get on the bus, and then 10c a mile or so thereafter.Local *ALWAYS* costs more. I paid $600. round trip to fly to Pennsylvaina. Betcha a round trip to MLPS (the first connection on my trip) is at least $400. maybe more per rounder. Go Figure! ROAR |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun May 11 17:51:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:37:55 2008. Yes, but unless you live at PABT and are visting someone who lives at South Station your total trip is going to take considerably longer than 4 hours.Think about it this way. If you were going from Port Washington to Cambridge. One hour after leaving your home driving, you'd be somewhere near Bridgeport Ct. One hour after leaving your home via train or bus you'd probably be about ready to depart Penn Station or PABT on the next Amtrak/Greyhound out. The train or bus is never going to make up that kind of head start. After 4 hours driving, you're pulling up in front of the house of that girl you were going to see. After 4 hours via the train method, you're probably in the middle of Rhode Island somewhere if you splurged for the Acela Express -- or maybe just getting to the Connecticut / RI state line if you went local. Either way, you're looking at a minimum 45 minutes before you get dropped at South Station plus whatever time it is going to take to drag you and your bags out to Cambridge. Total time from the actual start and end points matter far more than the speed any one leg of the journey can achieve. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 11 18:03:21 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:35:09 2008. you mean to say that speeding is ok on weekends ??? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 22:18:18 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 11 18:03:21 2008. No, I'm saying it's extremely rare that the bus is able to make NY in such short time, and attributing that oddity to it being the weekend. I'm not trying to justify anything, geez |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 22:23:16 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by Charles G on Sun May 11 17:51:35 2008. Yes, I'm aware of all that. What I'm saying though is that Amtrak is NOT actually faster than driving from NYP to South Station, so your comment that the only time Amtrak has a higher average speed is that exact trip is wrong. Basically, Amtrak is still on the slower end of transport options to Boston, even if you drive from NYP to South Station. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun May 11 23:07:30 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 22:23:16 2008. OK. Gotcha now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 11 23:09:28 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 kmh service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 22:23:16 2008. What I'm saying though is that Amtrak is NOT actually faster than driving from NYP to South StationYes it is. Speeding is still illegal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 11 23:13:15 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 11 23:09:28 2008. legality doesn't matter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 11 23:18:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 11 23:13:15 2008. Would be nice if we could say that on the rails, eh? Then hoggers wouldn't worry about getting a decert. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 11 23:22:59 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 11 23:18:35 2008. Yes, very fair. The hoggers can get in trouble just like motorists can. Either is free to speed should they be ready to accept the risk. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 01:05:18 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 11 23:22:59 2008. No; there's a difference. Motorists don't lose their job when they're caught speeding. They also don't have little black boxes in their cars that can be pulled by a trooper to determine how long they were speeding for. It sure ain't like the hogger can emulate the driver and speed down the track in order to please the passengers. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 07:48:49 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 01:05:18 2008. They could. And they could also lose their license, thereby causing them to lose there job for a variety of reasons. They also don't have little black boxes in their cars that can be pulled by a trooper to determine how long they were speeding for. Doesn't matter. It sure ain't like the hogger can emulate the driver and speed down the track in order to please the passengers. Yes he can! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 08:13:59 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 07:48:49 2008. "It sure ain't like the hogger can emulate the driver and speed down the track in order to please the passengers."Yes he can! I'm reliably informed that your answer isn't the acceptable one on the examinations administered to test an engineer's knowledge of operating rules. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 08:40:30 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 08:13:59 2008. Too bad for you. The fact is he can, just the same as a motorist can, as I already explained. Read the whole thread before replying..... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 12:41:25 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 08:13:59 2008. Sure he *can*, but he absolutely *may NOT".ROARING |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 14:03:04 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 12:41:25 2008. PRECISELY! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:35:46 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 07:48:49 2008. Wow. You've fallen to the status of a total idiot. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:39:09 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 08:40:30 2008. No; you're wrong. You're especially wrong in cases where signaling is set up for automatic train stop. And if you think that any Amtrak hogger will take you on a 120+ mph jaunt down Metro-North's part of the NEC, think again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:39:43 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 12:41:25 2008. Um, no. Try again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:40:02 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 14:03:04 2008. Stop being a nimbylover. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 15:40:44 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:35:46 2008. No I haven't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:40:49 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by AlM on Sun May 11 08:09:06 2008. From where? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:41:44 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail in the USA—300 km/h service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun May 11 08:12:24 2008. that would be no obstace to an Interstate Defense Railroad System. ;-)We had that during WWII. How quickly people forget . . . |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 15:42:24 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:39:09 2008. No; you're wrong.No I'm not. You're especially wrong in cases where signaling is set up for automatic train stop. Nope. That's a special case, like the equivalent of a speed trap for motorists. I was talking in the general sense. And if you think that any Amtrak hogger will take you on a 120+ mph jaunt down Metro-North's part of the NEC, think again. Where did I say that I thought that? I don't recall saying that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:43:54 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 10:35:25 2008. Logical fallacy. And FTR, I use cruise control a lot. I'm not going to be a sucker for the troopers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:44:50 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by AlM on Sun May 11 08:10:41 2008. It's a Chinatown bus. You are hoping against hope. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:50:47 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 12 08:40:30 2008. The fact is he can, just the same as a motorist can, as I already explained.Wrong. Your explanation is incorrect. You have ignored the fact that safety systems do not permit engineers to engage in recklessness against speed limits in the way that motorists can. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:52:45 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 12:41:25 2008. He can try, but there's an array of safety features that would make significant overspeed difficult. And let's not forget that most people like to remain gainfully employed too. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 20:40:59 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:50:47 2008. Those systems are not through out the system, and don't they activate only after a couple of seconds of speeding? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 20:41:36 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:40:02 2008. Teh randomness abounds in you young grasshopper |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 20:46:58 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:50:47 2008. And you, mayhap, have ignored the nuances of the English Language.I *can* drive as fast as I like (and my car is able) anywhere and any time that I like. But the law says I *may* not do so. But I have a special understanding with the State Patrol. I don't bust their laws, and they don't bust my chops. ROARING |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 20:51:25 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 20:46:58 2008. You can indeed drive at a high rate of speed, or even chase wildebeests down at a high rate of speed without a car. But trains have certain safety systems - especially the ones that operate on the NEC - that cars don't.Beside which, the speed limit can get pretty high in your part of the country, no? Montana even experimented with the no daytime speed limit a while back. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 20:54:02 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 20:40:59 2008. Those systems are not through out the systemWell, we've been talking about the NEC, so that's been the reference. It also applies in our area even off the NEC, on, e.g., most of LIRR. don't they activate only after a couple of seconds of speeding? Not to be silly, but what of it? - I mean it's not telepathic, right? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 20:57:32 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 20:51:25 2008. Speed limits have returned to Montana.North Dakota is faster on the interstates, 75 mph day and night. State roads are 65, county (paved)roads are 55 and gravel roads can be as high as 50, but keep your cell phone handy incase you have to call an ambulance. ROARING |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon May 12 21:04:04 2008, in response to High speed rail on the NEC-300 kmh service, posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 8 00:45:59 2008. "But we can do it: Simply convert the existing Amtrak NEC main line from Washington north into a high speed, grade seperated ROW. No local, commuter or freight commuter service will share the tracks."Remember this.... $$$$ $$$$ $$$$....something the government is not very willing to shell forth to the rails (though endless flows of $$$$ go to Iraq (Vietnam all over again), aviation (delays and the biggest joke of all, TSA) and the highways (Reason "95" the big time reason why train travel is so big in the Northeast...endless work, and still backed up)...go figure!!!) "All local, commuter and freight service will now operate via the B&O/Reading main line from Washington to New York, via Baltimore, Philadelphia and Newark. A connection would be made to "THE TUNNEL", Hoboken and perhaps a newly reopened CNJ terminal in Jersey City at the north end. The B&O/Reading/CSX main line would be widened at points and fully electfied to allow for addiional passenger service and CSX freight. While much of the old PRR Amtrak main line is converted into a dedicated high speed line, local/commuter service will still be able to run along the line by using the outer tracks, which would then be completely seperated from the inner dedicated high speed tracks." Where will the money come from for all this?? All these ideas sound good, but remember there's that little set of green paper with dead presidents on them that are in short supply in order for these to even be studied, much less go forward more!! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 21:07:52 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 12 20:57:32 2008. I always took the view with speed limits that I exercise, eat right, don't do stupid stuff in an effort to hopefully live longer, so why tempt fate by going faster than is suggested? Fat lot of good that does anyone who wraps their car around some tree.As my great-grandfather used to tell me, "Son, cemeteries are full of people who were in a hurry." |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 23:34:15 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 20:54:02 2008. Well then the engineer has physically achieved the goal of speeding. Thus, hoggers can speed. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 12 23:47:05 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:52:45 2008. Not to add more fuel to this fire, but an NJT NEC train hit 105mph according to my GPS somewhere the other day. I would have thought ASES/ACSES would prevent that, but the speed slowly built to more than 100mph and stayed there for maybe 5-6 minutes before it slowed for the station. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 12 23:49:23 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:52:45 2008. Not to add more fuel to this fire, but an NJT NEC train hit 105mph according to my GPS somewhere the other day. I would have thought ASES/ACSES would prevent that, but the speed slowly built to more than 100mph and stayed there for maybe 5-6 minutes before it slowed for the station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 01:54:51 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by WillD on Mon May 12 23:49:23 2008. Guess that's the leeway that Dutch mentioned earlier in this thread. Any faster than that and it would have been decert city for the hogger. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 06:04:35 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 12 17:50:47 2008. Wrong. Your explanation is incorrect.No, you're wrong. My explanation is not incorrect. I have ignored nothing. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 06:04:56 2008, in response to Re: High speed rail on the NEC—300 km/h service, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 12 23:34:15 2008. thank you |
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