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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 16:30:24 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:15:46 2008. It was in jest. No offense wanted.I want what you want too, but what realistically might be more feasible in this day and age: a strong leader who supports the Constitution (who doesn't seem to exist or if they did left preemptively) or a dictator? I sadly think the jadedness of a shrinking middle class and the inability to get the former to exist might lead to a latter as a part of a bargain. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 16:31:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:11:08 2008. Enough of that pagan stuff. This is a railroad forum. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 16:37:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:11:08 2008. If the government is employed by the peopleAnd people aren't happy with government and want drastic change Why then hasn't drastic change happened yet? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 16:48:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:17:06 2008. "What you'd want is short-term, Roman-style dictatorship"No such thing as "short-term" when it comes to stuff like that. The office of Dictator was extraordinary and temporary. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 17:06:57 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:20:33 2008. those guys are excellent, believe it or not, especially Stalin and Lenin, and ESPECIALLY Lenin. That guy had brains, and didn't believe in BS. The subsequent leaders: Khrushev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev made the chit fly. Though i don't agree with all of Stalin's methods, Lenin was good. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 18:07:07 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 17:06:57 2008. Stalin finished off what Hitler started in eastern Europe. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 8 18:07:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 11:46:45 2008. Hmmm..any different that the "OTHERS"?ALL POLITICIANS SPOUT THE SAME BULLSHIT..And Yours is RIGHT in STEP with the GAME that they play..perhaps even more so. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 8 18:14:45 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. Yes Obama is right but they all say that. We need more jobs! We need cleaner water! Politics as usual, usually.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:04:50 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 13:43:24 2008. I will say one thing, and I've yet to decide who I'm voting for...atleast with Obama, we can be pretty certain Amtrak will be around just a little bit longer, at least longer than if we get McCain. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 8 20:12:10 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. I'll vote for him if he gets the MTA to reopen the 76th St. station ! LOLBill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu May 8 20:22:24 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. High speed rail should extend from coast to coast to get rid of the airlines monopoly on the travel by the people in this country, people are being treated like shit by the money hungry airlines, nickel and dimming people to death for every little thing. we need another way to travel across the country without all the time consuming delays that's caused by the airlines along with the ever increasing fuel costs. an electric high speed rail system would open up other routes as well, north to south routs would be welcomed I'm sure. it's amazing how our country is advanced in the damn space program but can't compete with European rail service like the TGV or the ICE system. a naiton wide network of high speed rail is a must. Karl M |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:37:43 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu May 8 20:22:24 2008. Not happening. Rocky Mountains cost a bit too much money to get through, and the city distance is too great. Focus on NEC expansion if possible, SE, Texas, and midwest. Then connect them. Also, CAHSR as a stand alone. The land is fairly flat and open to Denver, but after that, good luck. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 20:40:44 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:37:43 2008. Nope. Transcon HSR could work. If Japan can get the Shinkansen through their rather daunting mountain ranges, we can get through the Rockies. Besides, 4% grades would not be a problem, where you can build them. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 20:42:40 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu May 8 20:22:24 2008. Pull out of the library (net) any book on any major railroad from the past. This conutry was well served/covered with all kinds of route. Cars killed it all. Heck, the Lehigh Valley RR was a regional road, connected to NYC, and allowed connections anywhere in the continental U.S.. They were the line that delivered all the Bethlehem Steel that built the Empire State Building, among many others. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 20:45:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 20:42:40 2008. Cars didn't kill anything. Even the countries that have HSR have no shortage of cars. I don't blame cars at all. The federal government's policies are what "killed" rail investment, as well as their regulations through the ICC that slowed most trains down to 79 mph. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 20:53:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 18:07:07 2008. Stalin was ruthless to those people, he showed no forgiveness to the germans, and was right to do so, rather than the US getting chitted on by those countries. Those people should have thought beforehand before trying to attack the most powerful nation in the world...the USSR. Thank Stalin for the stability in the middle east, note how the chit REALLY began to fly when Gorbachev started to BS all over the place, followed by Yeltsin's bull as well. Now that Hussein is gone, supposedly, the middle east is in a storm of true chit. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 20:57:59 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 20:45:46 2008. Well, cars made huge in-roads with all that cheap gas. That's the reason why the governemnt wenr deaf, dumb and blind. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu May 8 21:26:05 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:27:46 2008. Even better. That means they can take curves quicker than a conventional, non-tilting train. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 8 21:54:56 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu May 8 20:22:24 2008. i vote for that right now Karl Mnow ....... lets roll !! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 22:29:44 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 20:57:59 2008. Germany did that before us, though. They'd have gas the same price as us if it weren't for all the taxes they plonk down on top of it. Doesn't stop people from driving at high speeds on the autobahn, though. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:00:16 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Edwards! on Thu May 8 18:07:17 2008. I don't like any of the three. I have said that here quite often! It's a lesser of three evils election (even though Pigs may disagree with me).I hate politicians. All of them. Rarely do you every get one that's different. They all spout BS. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:10:32 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:01:32 2008. But at least he isn't such a sensationalist, chitting on others to get every vote like hillary "The Bullchit Bitch" Clinton. He isn't rambling about reducing gas prices by 10 cents, or getting out of iraq in 30 days, like the full of bullchit bitch is.Absolutely. My "brief" feeling of being impressed with her last week is gone. For a brief moment I actually liked her, but then I saw her sipping coffee in a grungy lunchroom in some factory with construction worker types, and I said "Oh please". She will bullshit her way through anything or with anyone to get votes. She seemed so out of place there, and it was SOOOO obvious why she was in that grungy lunch room that I wanted to heave. It's just like all politicians though. Hey, let's get a photo of the candidate kissing a baby. Oh please. He won't be playing as much dickoslap as Hillary, that is for sure, but will he be playing? Most likely. He *IS* a politician, but just the better choice. We need an FDR to flush out the chit. He's also a bullshit artist. Just like all of them. What a "crock" that he's the "new type of politician" and isn't "like all the rest of them". He lies and says the "right" thing also. It's all lies....from all of them. And McCain is no better in that respect. they all lie. They all 'say what you want to hear". But the choice is just who will be the least "phuckup" out of the three of them (or soon two of them). I am only leaning towards him, not because I "like" him, but because out of the three, he seems the least "Socialist" to me. i don't like a lot of the stuff that Hillary and Obama have been saying they want to do. Oh, and PS, george bucs has to pass the federal order to freeze the rent costs and al, that is what nixon did, i believe, during his recession. What rent costs? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:19:39 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:04:50 2008. Maybe, maybe not...but he's not getting more money for it any more than Hillary or McCain would be able to. Who's paying for it? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri May 9 00:22:12 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:00:16 2008. I hate politicians. All of them. Rarely do you every get one that's different. They all spout BS.Agreed. I think I actually share a number of your views. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:40:00 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 17:06:57 2008. You really need to be banned from this forum. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:42:20 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 20:53:01 2008. Lies.Stalin didn't do anything that Patton couldn't have done. Other than murder 60 million of his own people, that is. Stalin was no good for anyone. If Eisenhower and Roosevelt had a set between them (at least), they would have set Patton loose on the Red Army and we would own Moscow. You like commies? Go live in China. Or Zimbabwe. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:43:19 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 16:37:01 2008. Who said the government is employed by the people? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:53:33 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 16:48:17 2008. Not always.Romans called their dictator "Caesar", especially following the death of Gaius Julius C. (the longest dictator) and after the advent of Lex Antonius. Nobody liked the office, because the dictator had more powers than the king for the six-month period. Caesars had all the powers of a dictator, which was more than merely ironic. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 9 03:46:41 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:04:50 2008. I think if Amtrak can survive George Bush, it'll last through any Presidency.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 04:43:55 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:19:39 2008. Maybe, maybe not...but he's not getting more money for it any more than Hillary or McCain would be able to. Who's paying for it?It's not a zero-sum game. Who's paying for that little adventure in Iraq anyway? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 06:40:57 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Fred G on Fri May 9 03:46:41 2008. Hey, we agree again! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 06:56:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:53:33 2008. Well, the Roman Republic got seriously screwed up in the C1 BC... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 06:57:34 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:42:20 2008. Stalin didn't do anything that Patton couldn't have done.Tell that to the Hungarians, the Czechs, the Polish, and the Germans. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 06:57:56 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 00:40:00 2008. No, he doesn't. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 07:02:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:00:16 2008. I don't like any of the three. I have said that here quite often! It's a lesser of three evils electionBut as far as evil politicians go, all three of them are toward the lesser end. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 07:17:25 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 8 20:37:43 2008. Focus on NEC expansion if possible, SE, Texas, and midwest. Then connect them.There's not really much point in trying to draw a line somewhere (presumably in Pennsylvania) between the North-East and Midwest. Those networks would need to be connected from the start. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 08:05:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:15:46 2008. "What I meant was that we need a strong leader who will support the Constitution."Anyone who tries that will be immediately fired upon by the ACLU and MoveOn.org as a fascist. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri May 9 08:18:38 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 8 21:54:56 2008. Thank you sir. 8-) Karl M |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 08:52:35 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:54:31 2008. Hillary "The Bullchit Bitch" Clinton isn't real.IINM, "The Bullchit Butch" would be more accurate, and would explain more than a few things. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 08:54:02 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 23:14:41 2008. And Britain has the Class 221 Super Voyager, which does pretty much the same thing. I agree that this sort of thing would be brilliant in the Midwest. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri May 9 09:26:42 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 22:29:44 2008. In Scotland, where my step-daughter lives, pays over $10.00 Americam for a liter of gas. It is all taxes because their population is only about 5 million. They bear the burden, but they do have excellent mass-transit at thier disposal. Any citizen at age 62, can ride all of it free for the rest of their lives. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri May 9 09:29:38 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by J trainloco on Fri May 9 00:22:12 2008. Exactly. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 9 14:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 07:17:25 2008. It's hard to say how to connect NEC with midwest. You've got the Allegheney Mountains to contend with, and the money that would be needed to build true HSR through there could be much better spent of helping to develop other systems. I say get the easier parts done first. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 9 14:24:26 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 9 00:19:39 2008. Oh, I don't doubt that none of them will actually boost funding for rail. It's a matter of who will let Amtrak crawl along the longest before they decide to put it out of its misery |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 9 14:25:41 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Fred G on Fri May 9 03:46:41 2008. Hahaha, very true |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri May 9 15:43:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Midnight Rider on Wed May 7 21:57:14 2008. Most of the train routes are diesel (Empire Builder, Hiawatha, etc.) Can this be done in a short period of time? Or are the democrats dreaming again?One word: JetTrain. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri May 9 17:57:28 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JayMan on Fri May 9 15:43:14 2008. Except that that locomotive was mercifully put out of its misery. If you're going to consider that POS then you might as well talk to Talgo America about their proposed FRA compatible Talgo XXI model. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri May 9 18:26:34 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 08:05:17 2008. Exactly what has Dubya done that has earned him the ire of those groups which is explicitly spelled out in the constitution as a power granted to the presidency? Hell, is spying on Americans and subverting the FISA courts a power delegated to him by congress? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 18:35:00 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 16:30:24 2008. but what realistically might be more feasible in this day and age: a strong leader who supports the Constitution (who doesn't seem to exist or if they did left preemptively) or a dictator?The former. Why don't you go live under a dictatorship and see if you can survive it long enough to come back and tell us how great it is? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 9 18:36:13 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail: ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri May 9 06:57:34 2008. Don't take things out of context. |
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